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s-Kally, I'm pretty thick-skinned and hard to offend. I might be upset, but I get over it quick. I'm not giving this a second thought. We're good. I don't understand what you went through, so I can't even imagine. The reason I don't tune in to your program is because I'm not in a position to do so. There's always someone in the house, so it just isn't something I can do. I agree, tone is lost in text.

LQ, I appreciate your reply here. And I understand your home situation as far as the meeting room is concerned. Perhaps sometime in your future, when you've let those chains fall down all around you, time will be better on YOUR side.

The good reason that I use the word 'rape' when speaking of what occured with me spiritually and why it fits perfectly in describing what is happening to all those children is because rape is :

A Human, Being being FORCED to do anything against their OWN WILL. Penetrating ones innocent soul with absolute filth from spiritual pimps and their Whores. Then, left to 'pick up the pieces' and try to forget it happened by going for ice cream or burgers after the 'session of assault'. [which is what a perp DOES, in order to help the victim 'feel better' and to help the victim to NOT VIEW THE ATTACKER AS EVIL, BUT AS THEIR 'SPIRITUAL LEADER[S]].

I can see no better word to describe just what is occuring at these assemblies and at weekly meetings and home, family meetings, such as what we endured growing up. If you can come up with one, please do share. If it fits, I'll consider using it instead.

So, next time you are at one of these sessions of assault on a childs free will, just think a bit what I've written here, as an educated opinion, as to , if what you are WITNESSING THERE, is actually the act of SPIRITUAL RAPING.

Have a pleasant day.

~~s-Kally~~

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"I am proud to say that I will not lift one finger ( except my middle finger) for the WTBTS."

I can see you feel strongly about this. No, I don't have a better word, but I will point out that your definition describes a lot of things parents (not just JWs) do. For example, most kids don't WANT to go to school. But they are forced to. And parents of other religions force their belief system on their kids, and some of those religions are even more extreme than JWs (think Muslim, Amish, Quaker, and so on.) Really, though, I'm sorry for what you went through as a kid, and the scars it left on you.

I'm left with the wow factor, again.

{logs off, shaking her head in absolute amazement}

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"I am proud to say that I will not lift one finger ( except my middle finger) for the WTBTS."

Thats why things never get any better in the WBT$..
JWs are trained Never to take responsibility for their Own Actions..
It feeds the WBT$ BEAST,it keeps the WBT$ BEAST alive..

I brought up the WBT$ JW Pedophile problem to 2 JWs at the door..
They`re response was: 'What about the Catholics?!"..
Since when have the Catholics been responsible for WBT$ Problems?..
Or the Muslim, Amish, Quaker, and so on?

It`s an automatic,"WBT$ Scripted",straw man argument..
Designed to take the spotlight off WBT$/JWs and have someone else share in their blame..
"If someone else is doing it,we can`t be so bad!!"
It`s not an honest way to look at things but it`s re-enforced everyday by the WBT$..
It`s part of WBT$/JW life..
You can`t be an honest person in the WBT$ and Survive..

Once your out of there LQ,your thinking will change dramatically..
Your in a very toxic place right now..
I know your trying to make your way out..
I hope your able to get out ASAP..
......................................................OUTLAW

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C'mon, dear Skals (mornin' and peace to you!). Surely you can understand that some folks' understanding of some things are based on just HOW far removed from the thing they are? For whatever reason, you had the PRIVILEGE... of getting out earlier than most here (and if you can't see that that WAS a privilege, in spite of what you may have "lost" as a result, then I might have to have a "wow" factor as to YOU. Because your own getting out was not of your OWN volition - like some of us, you were asked to leave... and regardless of how you feel about that, I praise JAH that I was!). Sure, maybe we saw the filth before... or just after we did get out... but it wasn't like we did and said, "Oh, ooh, walkin' out RIGHT now!" I didn't do that and, per you, neither did you. It was only once you were OUTSIDE that YOU could see ALL that you do, now.

So, consider cutting dear LQ (peace, luv!) SOME slack, maybe? Else, really... truly... you are exhibiting hypocrisy. Because you are demanding from someone else something YOU didn't even do... nor can you know that you WOULD have. Had your parents been more loving, less judgmental, even more tolerant... so that whatever things you did that "offended" them DIDN'T... you very well may still be a part of that harlot, yourself.

Now, I know you have your thoughts about doing that, cutting folks' slack with regard to association with the WTBTS. But, I mean, sure, we ALL wish our dear brother would move a little faster (SA points two fingers at her eyes, then at dear LQ's)... for his OWN sake (AND his household's, of course, if not the poor children who ARE subjected to the "molestation" you mention). Who WOULDN'T... knowing what we know? Love would CALL for us to want him to move faster. BUT... love... is also long-suffering. And he's workin' on it, luv. And so, as long as he IS workin' on it... and not trying to EXCUSE anything "they" do... which he absolutely does not... then the rest of us should exercise SOME patience on his behalf, yes? While WE know the circumstances may NEVER be "right," there's no reason to think HE doesn't know that. Yet, we can also understand how one might need them to be just a tad better (although, I must admit, I cannot imagine how that might be given the benefits of faith - yet, it is not for ME to decide, is it?). In the meantime, we can continue to ENCOURAGE him, absolutely, which MIGHT actually HELP him increase his courage... and gain enough strength... to do what he ADMITS he knows he must do.

What, though, pray tell, is the BENEFIT in continually "biting" at him... even "slapping" him... or ANYONE... just because they might not be doing what WE (would) do... or in OUR timeframe? Exhort? Yes, absolutely. Encourage? Do, totally. Remind? Certainly. Reprove? If the occasion calls for it, perhaps, and certainly if you are directed (by Christ, through holy spirit) to do so. Because sometimes that's what it TAKES to save one from HIMSELF/HERSELF... his or her own way.

But "bite" (and what you're doing is "biting," luv, as it's INTENDED to cause "pain")... and "slap" (which is what you said you "did")... just because someone isn't moving at YOUR pace... why??? How is that HELPFUL? How is it even RIGHT??

Trust me, I totally get your impatience... even if for a different reason. But I get it. We ALL get it. But dear LQ doesn't and didn't deserve all you "gave" him, luv. And certainly not in that way. I understand zeal. You KNOW I do. I understand fervor. I understand urgency. I understand impatience with ALL of this. You KNOW I do. I DON'T understand, though, how you want (total) freedom of speech... and to BE understood/empathized with YOURSELF... yet, feel it totally okay to deny such (freedom of speech, understanding, and empathy) to another. And will attack as you did (because it was an attack, luv)... when another just benignly shared some information. Information you didn't... and still don't... have to peruse.

Truly... I just don't get it. And so, I am sharing with YOU what I am here.

I hope you can receive it. Truly.

As always, peace to you!

YOUR servant and a slave of Christ,

Shel

OMG, you're totally right! I'm so sorry. This is exactly what I was just doing. Totally subconscious, too. Ugh.


Me too.

Trust me, I know. And I know exactly what I'm about to lose.


At this point, it's not a matter of better circumstances. They will never be better. It's out of kindness for family still in. I haven't divulged any details about my exit plan. At this point, all I can say is that there's a major life event, once in a lifetime, coming up for my son. I don't want to ruin it for him with MY decision and the drama that's likely to ensue.

LOL!!..
It`s all right Bud..
I`m happy you can "Now See It", for what it is..
There will be much more you will see/understand,when your finally out..

.................................OUTLAW

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Got it, luv (peace to you!) and that makes sense. Because some would be SO appalled/hurt/angry, that no matter HOW you explained it, they would never "forgive" you for "ruining" it for THEM. Perhaps not even if our dear Lord himself came to them and explained.

We hear you... and we're here FOR you.

Peace to you!

YSSFS of Christ,

Shel

Hey Shelby!..

Actually this is all a good learning experience for all of us..

LQ didn`t realize he was automatically,repeating a WBT$ Scripted answer..
sKally saw it for what it was and threw her hands in the air..
(Which was kind of funny from my point of view..LOL!!)

To his credit,LQ gets it now..
A lot of people would have preferred to remain blind..
LQ is soldering on,he has a lot on his plate right now..

Patience for people trying to escape the WBT$,comes with time..
The obvious Question is:
"Why don`t they Just Leave?!"

Even though thats exactly what I did..It`s not possible for everyone..
That took me a while to learn..

..............................................OUTLAW

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Well, okay then (peace, luv!). I mean, I THINK okay. Hopefully, dear LQ (peace to you, as well!) isn't the only one who was a little "enlightened." We shall see... we shall see.

But... it's ALL good! I mean, I THINK it's all good... LOLOLOL! Since we all big boys and girls here... that seems pretty safe to assume! LOLOL!

Peace!

YSFS of Christ,

Shelb

Mornin' KLASS..LOL!

Oh yes. What a glorious thing to behold LQ. To WITNESS this here and not at my door....what a great thread to share next time....

You've actually become Awake!/Aware! of precisely what OUTLAW so perfectly targets how WTBTS/JW.ORG instructs you and millions of other ADULT JWS/ADULT PARENTS OF JW CHILDREN [THAT DO NOT COMPREHEND THE TWISTED DOCTRINE, THAT MANIFESTS INTO DEADLY POLICIES FOR THEM= YOUR CHILDREN AND THE POTENTIALLY RECRUITED CHILDREN IN THE FUTURE, DUE TO THEIR PARENTS CHOICES OF EITHER ENTERING-INTO OR STAYING AMONGST THEY BLOODGUILTY {I'm speaking of not only you, so please do not take that personally...there are so many like you and your wife...keep in my mind, being married to a wt man is gold to the women in that twisted org, of course she is just like my dear old mother; snagging an elder...lol....pathetic really, in my rightful opinion}] TO LEARN WELL HOW TO DEAL WITH US, AS THE MARCH KM 2014 PUTS IT..."CONVERSATION STOPPERS".

I do believe that we have stumped you here and you Knew it could be only as OUTLAW, and I {i admit, i run on a lot of emotion AS WELL as logiK, which can conflick with each other internally, so that should explain how we both 'put it down'} have helped you to now see exactly what it is you DO [ ACT UPON AS AN ACTIVE WT MAN ] to your family and that of all the other children you sit with at your 'spiritual assault sessions'. I can now breathe, and know that your children have been helped in some degree by you seeing what you saw here. This IS Victory. V for Victory.

For the lurkers...let's go over the jest of what has occured here this fine day:



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{Would like shake your hand now instead of my head, if you're so inclined }

~~s-Kally...off to see whAT fOKUS IS UP TO...yes shelby, He is back, you recall Him and 'PB'?~~

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"I am proud to say that I will not lift one finger ( except my middle finger) for the WTBTS."