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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2014 3:05 pm 
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JOHNNYCIP...IT WAS THE BEST ONE EVER, TO DATE....I COVERED ALL THE BASES DOLL. TOLD HIM ABOUT MY STEPDADS REFUSAL, AS AN ELDER, TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE 4 PAGE LETTER....I ASKED HIM TO CONFIRM THJERE WERE 4...HE WOULD NOT.

I ADDRESSED OUTLAWS THREAD THOROUGHLY AND FIRMLY. [ BTW...IT WAS NOT A VOICEMAIL...IT WAS THE GUY I'VE BEEN TALKING TO] I SAID LOOK....ITS ALL OVER THE NET, BY ACTIVE ELDERS ONLINE WITH APOSTATES DAILY AND LEAKING INFO THEY GET FROM WT, THAT THERE IS 4 PAGES RE: THE NDA....IS THIS TRUE OR AN INTEENET APOSTATE LIE OR ARE THE ACTIVE ONLINE ELDERS CORRECT, ITS 4 PAGES BUT ONLY ONE WAS TO BE READ? MY STEPDAD REFUSED TO ANSWER, HES ACTIVE ELDER, [ YES NOW THIS WT KLOWN HAS A KLUE AS TO WHAT HE'S DEALING WITH...I KNEW I NEEDED TO RELEASE THAT MUCH INTELL TO HIM NOW...HE SHOULD REALIZE WHAT HE'S UP AGAINST BY THE TIME HIS HEAD HITS HIS PILLOW TONIGHT...LOLOLOL]

IU said, you told me my options were writing to org or asking boe myself....so i decided to ask my ELDER stepdad...and he refused, just as u r now....but i did as u said and got nothing....now u want me to write, and trust my letter gets where it needs to or is even taken seriously? OK...BUT I WILL MAKE MANY COPIES OF THIS VERY TARGETED PINPOINTED LETTER, THAT WILL ONLY DISCUSS AND ADDRESS WT FINANCIAL FRAUD AND CORRUPTION AND THE FACT THAT IT IS NOW IN THE STAGES OF ROBBING ALL ITS MEMBERS...DUE TO THE [[FACT]] THEY KNOW NOTHING OF A FOUR PAGE NDA LETTER.

I ASKED WHAT HAPPENS TO A LETTER BY A HOUSEHOLDER...ALTHO HE KNOWS I'M AN ELDERS DAUGHTER NOW....LOLOLOL I COULD PAY GOLD TO HAVE SEEN HIS FACE...ONCE WT GETS IT....I SAID I'M ADDRESSING IT TO LEGAL. LEGAL HAD BETTER GET IT.

I SAID EVERYTHING BETWEEN HE AND I HAS BEEN DOCUMENTED AND THAT HE IS THE ONE THAT IS LEAVING NO OPTIONS ANYMORE, BY REFUSING TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.

WHY WOULD I THINK THEY WOULD ANSWER BY MAIL, IF THEY WILL NOT BY PHONE. AND WILL NOT PLACE ANY TYPE OF FEATURE ON THEIR STE TO DO SO....YEP I COVERED IT ALL, AGAIN.

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I don't think that this will bring them down, Skally, at least not yet and not in this manner.


Why, do you DO 'that'? :/

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I'm not entirely sure what you mean, Skally, and I don't want to guess and get it wrong, lol. I meant no offense by what I said.

So... why do I do what?


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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2014 4:22 pm 
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rain on my parades.

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I did not say anything in order to rain on your parades... but rather to simply speak as I understand from Christ.

I mean, "she" (the wts) DOES come to her end. That is a CERTAINTY. That is TRUTH. I know this is true because it is from my Lord, who IS the Truth. So I have NO doubts about that AT ALL.

That doesn't mean that these articles and events that expose lies and hypocrisy in the wts are not important, or that they cannot be celebrated. Like I said:

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But this may open some eyes to the truth that this organization is NOT the truth. So, that is a good thing, even if it is just one person... especially if those who see 'her' for what she is, turn now to CHRIST, who IS the Truth, and the ONLY one to whom we must go.



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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2014 4:57 pm 
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then HE and you rained on it....discussion over, thank you.

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I am not sure how knowing that the wts WILL come to her end can be taken as raining on any parade. This end will happen when it happens - and I do not know the day or hour - but the events that Christ has taught that will take place BEFORE all of BTG is destroyed, have not yet happened. So I have to speak as to that.

In the meantime, before her end comes, there is continued time and chance for as many people as possible to come OUT OF her BEFORE she is destroyed; BEFORE her plagues overtake her - and overtake those still in her who will have to share in her sins, and in her plagues. That is a good thing! And if things like this article can help to that end... even if it were just ONE who suddenly 'saw' the truth about the wts because of this, then GREAT!!


I don't mean to try and take your hope away for her end, sKally, truly. SHE DOES COME TO HER END, and Christ is calling His people to come out of her. There is nothing wrong at all with hoping for the day to come that no one will be hurt anymore by the wts (and all other such entities)!


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And my apologies to Outlaw for the tangent. We can let this get back to the OP.


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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2014 8:56 pm 
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Having sufficient, adequate places of worship is vital, as Jehovah continues to ‘speed up’ the gathering of “a mighty nation.”

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At this time, over 13,000 Kingdom Hall projects and 35 Assembly Hall projects are needed worldwide.


And besides what dear Tammy pointed out that " God is a spirit and those worshiping him must worship with spirit and truth"...

Why the concern of " sufficient" " adequate" places of worship. ???

Luke 17:24,25 "God does NOT DWELL in handmade temples ( Kingdom Halls/ Assembly halls) neither is he attended to by human hands as if he needed ANYTHING"...

Truly sad! They know all of these verses they just apply it everyone else. They cannot see themselves in the mirror and understand that this organization is taking everything right under their noses and they are completely okay with it! They might as well pass a collection plate like other religions.

Well, maybe just ONE will wake up and get it...he waited for us in his mercy. We must pray for them as well.

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sKally, yes, I remembered hearing that there was once a statement/promise that no tithing was required. Technically, this is not tithing exactly .....Tammy


The WBT$ is "Now Asking" for a Monthly Pledge from every JW House Hold..
I tried to Paste the Pledge Paper here for you to see,but it wouldn`t take..
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Why the concern of " sufficient" " adequate" places of worship. ???.....JustMom

Thats so the JWs can buy the WBT$ more Real estate,the WBT$ can sell off later and Pocket the Cash..
More Kingdom Halls means More Money for the WBT$..
Like sKally pointed out..
The WBT$ isn`t even hiding the fact anymore,that they want money..Lots of Money..

In order for Jesus People to understand WBT$ motivation..
You`ll have to take Jesus out of the WBT$ Equation and Replace Him with Money..
Thats what the WBT$ is about..



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Agreed dear Outlaw....100 percent!!!!

What happened to " Sell your belongings and GIVE to the poor ( not the pocket)..." :8O
Ooh well....

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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2014 10:01 pm 
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great work outlaw getting the word out. I see what they are doing clearly... Skally I understand clearly what you are doing , and I will never rain on your PARTY. you made a liar out of him and he knows it. they are professional liars . thats how they roll. they don't know how to be honest. they make thier living stealing in a way, that the law allows brummmbely is in on the scam. the scum at bethel are all laughing all the way to the bank. for my part I will use this info in my bag of tricks when out in field service. I think the best we can all do is keep getting the word out there.


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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2014 10:09 pm 
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s-Kally wrote:
JOHNNYCIP...IT WAS THE BEST ONE EVER, TO DATE....I COVERED ALL THE BASES DOLL. TOLD HIM ABOUT MY STEPDADS REFUSAL, AS AN ELDER, TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE 4 PAGE LETTER....I ASKED HIM TO CONFIRM THJERE WERE 4...HE WOULD NOT.

I ADDRESSED OUTLAWS THREAD THOROUGHLY AND FIRMLY. [ BTW...IT WAS NOT A VOICEMAIL...IT WAS THE GUY I'VE BEEN TALKING TO] I SAID LOOK....ITS ALL OVER THE NET, BY ACTIVE ELDERS ONLINE WITH APOSTATES DAILY AND LEAKING INFO THEY GET FROM WT, THAT THERE IS 4 PAGES RE: THE NDA....IS THIS TRUE OR AN INTEENET APOSTATE LIE OR ARE THE ACTIVE ONLINE ELDERS CORRECT, ITS 4 PAGES BUT ONLY ONE WAS TO BE READ? MY STEPDAD REFUSED TO ANSWER, HES ACTIVE ELDER, [ YES NOW THIS WT KLOWN HAS A KLUE AS TO WHAT HE'S DEALING WITH...I KNEW I NEEDED TO RELEASE THAT MUCH INTELL TO HIM NOW...HE SHOULD REALIZE WHAT HE'S UP AGAINST BY THE TIME HIS HEAD HITS HIS PILLOW TONIGHT...LOLOLOL]

IU said, you told me my options were writing to org or asking boe myself....so i decided to ask my ELDER stepdad...and he refused, just as u r now....but i did as u said and got nothing....now u want me to write, and trust my letter gets where it needs to or is even taken seriously? OK...BUT I WILL MAKE MANY COPIES OF THIS VERY TARGETED PINPOINTED LETTER, THAT WILL ONLY DISCUSS AND ADDRESS WT FINANCIAL FRAUD AND CORRUPTION AND THE FACT THAT IT IS NOW IN THE STAGES OF ROBBING ALL ITS MEMBERS...DUE TO THE [[FACT]] THEY KNOW NOTHING OF A FOUR PAGE NDA LETTER.

I ASKED WHAT HAPPENS TO A LETTER BY A HOUSEHOLDER...ALTHO HE KNOWS I'M AN ELDERS DAUGHTER NOW....LOLOLOL I COULD PAY GOLD TO HAVE SEEN HIS FACE...ONCE WT GETS IT....I SAID I'M ADDRESSING IT TO LEGAL. LEGAL HAD BETTER GET IT.

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I SAID EVERYTHING BETWEEN HE AND I HAS BEEN DOCUMENTED AND THAT HE IS THE ONE THAT IS LEAVING NO OPTIONS ANYMORE, BY REFUSING TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.

WHY WOULD I THINK THEY WOULD ANSWER BY MAIL, IF THEY WILL NOT BY PHONE. AND WILL NOT PLACE ANY TYPE OF FEATURE ON THEIR STE TO DO SO....YEP I COVERED IT ALL, AGAIN.

HE HUNG UP! ::))

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he ran counting his share into the Lady's room to change his underwear. came out saying to himself with all this $$$$ the zombies are sending me. I can buy lots of PANTIES.


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While I see what you all do, I also see more, from a legal standpoint (peace to you, all!). I don't think this is about money, per se. Bottom line, yes, it is about money. But I think it's more about things like the WTBTS either preparing for, responding to, or trying to circumvent a settlement agreement.... OR, more likely, compliance with some court order/settlement agreement.

What is happening is that the specific and direct solicitation for funds to build more halls, etc., is being eliminated. Now, congreationg are going to be asked if they WANT to make such donations out of their surplus funds... which surplus most like will be the result of such new, confidential pledges. The pledges MUST be confidential now, but I don't think that's a WTBTS move. Indeed, I'm sure they don't like THAT... because NOW they can't hold anyone LEGALLY (let alone morally) accounting FOR such pledges. Written pledges are normally legally binding; however, imagine the Kangaroo Court for "Brother So and So" who didn't fulfill his written pledge. I believe that could be grounds for DF'ing, if not marking, because they will say it reneges on one's yes BEING yes, etc.

Why I believe this is occurring is because, for one, these are supposed to be charitable donations. Unlike other religions that ALSO use their funds to feed their members/the poor, run hospitals/orphanages, etc., the WTBTS uses its funds for one major purpose: purchase and development of real estate. That is actually a deceitful purpose: it makes the corporation rich... but helps NO ONE in a practical way.

Second, however, and more importantly, over the years, some have personally "donated" large amounts of money for the very purpose of building a KH or assembly hall, only to be told later that the project was killed. When they asked for their money BACK, however... because it was donated SOLELY for that purpose in the first place, the request was denied. When the person made a demand, they were labelled as an oppose/troublemaker... and trouble was then made for them.

I can think of one actual case... and I would not be surprised if this was the impetus for this change. About 20 years ago, those in the SF Bay and Greater Sacramento area were asked to make written pledges to cover the cost of a new Assembly hall in the American Canyon area. One "brother" made a sizeable donation; however, about 5 years later, we all learned that the project would never go through. A (very believable) rumor went around that upon learning the hall would not be built, the "brother" asked for his money back but was told that wouldn't happen, that once he have it to the fund it belonged to the WTBTS. Well, he wasn't happy with that and threatened to sue... for which he was "marked." Apparently, he ultimately DID file a suit... and was DF'd.

I know of another issue, through dear hubby, where a "sister" donated her deceased husband's insurance proceeds to them. Then, when having become destitute a few years later, she asked for some of it back in order to live, she was denied - they told her that once she gave it, it was no longer hers but theirs to do with what they wished. When she took issue with that... she was DF'd. Absolutely NO surprise there, though, as our dear Lord TOLD us this would occur. Matthew 23:14; Mark 12:40; Luke 20:47

I am thinking that the first issue (the assembly hall donation fiasco)... and perhaps others like it... are the impetus for this change. NOW, there will be no direct solicitation but rather, the "elders" are to use subtle coercion (well, sorta subtle - some have absolutely NO idea what subtle IS) to "lead" congregation members into (1) making secret pledges (which I promise they will use guilt to garner and have fulfilled), and (2) passing resolutions to send "surplus" money directly to the WTBTS for this purpose. In this way, the WTBTS is no longer directly culpable for such coercion but the decision will be upon the members themselves ("What?! They WANTED to give the money to us!" We didn't MAKE them! We don't even have a BOX for that kind of thing!"). And so NOW the donations won't be specifically FOR anything... but for whatever purpose the WTBTS chooses. Unlike the previous arrangement.

What is MOST UNFORTUNATE... is that this NEW arrangement is even worse than the first, IMHO. At least, with the first, folks kinds knew what their donations were SUPPOSED to be for, even if that's not how they were ultimately used. And so maybe COULD sue for return of (some of) it. NOW... they will be able to use whatever funds are "donated" in WHATEVER manner and for WHATEVER purpose they CHOOSE... and no one will be able to take issue. Well, not easily. It will take a very sympathetic judge/jury to do so after this.

Because NOW they won't be literally DESIGNATED funds... but just GENERAL funds.

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My wife said to me the other night when we were discussing this: "It's not YOUR organization". I didn't say it, but I thought to myself: "But it IS MY money!"


Pray tell, WHY, though, dear, dear LQ (peace to you, luv!)... are you GIVING your money to a FALSE prophet... and its FALSE christs?? If you indeed are, and you comment suggests so. IF so, perhaps you don't see the correlation between doing so... and the Israelites bringing all of their gold to Aaron in order to build a "golden calf" in the wilderness... and calling IT "JAHVEH"... even though they KNEW it wasn't... because they had grown "tired" of waiting for Moses to come BACK (down the mountain)?

If you are not, then praise JAH. If you are... I MUST ask: please... please, dear, dear brother... consider what you are "contributing" to.

Peace to you ALL... and I hope this helps, truly!

YSSFS of Christ,

Shellamar


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