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Post subject: Re: hi everone I'm cookie

Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 7:05 pm

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AGuest wrote:

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As some still believe that JW are still Gods organization, but have become corrupted, it is not an easy decision,

Some believe other religions (i.e., LDS, SDA, RCC, Catholicism, Orthodox, Judaism, etc.) are God's organization/people, too, dear Cookie (mornin' and peace to you... and this thread is fine, dear one, as it's your thread - you started it so you are more than welcome to discuss what you wish to on it).

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as I look at Rev 2 where Christ inspected the 7 congregations, and found only one that was acceptable

This is true; however, it begs the question: which of these seven represents the WTBTS? And if one does, who do the others represent? Is one, say, the WTBTS... another, LDS... another, say, Fundamentalism? Pentecostal? Greek Orthodox? Catholic? Orthodox Catholic? Roman Catholic? There are only seven... yet, there are way more than that represented in "christendom" (and make no mistake, the WTBTS is a part of "christendom"). Or do you think that perhaps the WTBTS represents them all?

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however he never said to any in the other congregations to leave.

He didn't say that specifically, no, dear one, but surely if one WERE in such a "congregation," they WOULD leave... if things were not corrected, yes? Otherwise, they SHARE in the "sins" OF that "congregation," yes? But one must consider that (1) the congregations aren't literal, but spiritual, because (2) they represent the Body of Christ... and NOT any religion.

The MOST Holy One of Israel, JAH (Psalm 68:4) of Armies CONDEMNED religion when He removed His spirit from the ONLY religious "organization" HE ever sanctioned: the one HE established. Which was the Levitical priesthood... and the Law, temple, etc., that was part of that "organization." He condemned it when He removed HIS spirit FROM it... and put that spirit in His Son, the HOLY One of Israel, JAHESHUA, the Chosen One of JAH (MischaJah). That condemnation was furthered by that Son, Christ, when HE condemned the works of the priests... and the false writings and teachings of the scribes and Pharisees... OF that "organization." He then condemned the people's worship OF that "visible representation" when he told Jerusalem that her "house" was "abandoned" to HER. Meaning, he and Father would no longer reside IN her - THEIR spirit would ABANDON her and leave her desolate, void of God's spirit... until those IN her came to their senses and said "Bless is HE... who comes in the name of JAH."

HE, Christ, then, put that SAME spirit... the spirit that was once alight over the Ark of the Covenant in the Most Holy of the temple, and was then put in him... into his BODY, by means of putting it into the PEOPLE that make up that Body... starting with the Apostles... and then other disciples:

John 20:22
Acts 2:1-4
1 Corinthians 3:16
Ephesians 2:19-21

And he is STILL doing that... granting that spirit, holy spirit... to people today!

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God has always had people that have been faithf Israelites among the Isrealites

Yes! But there were also always times when He told the faithful to separate themselves from the faithLESS, or when the faithLESS persecuted/turned against/expelled the faithFUL, yes? In addition, why not be Catholic, then? Or Mormon? Or Pentecostal? Or what have you? Can the same thing not be said of these? Why not just accept ALL religion and, although some... perhaps even many in THEM are "unfaithful," be okay because you ARE "faithful"? Why the WTBTS... and not the others? On the other hand, why are the other UNclean... and the WTBTS not?

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also where most rejected God and went the example oapostasy leaders into apostacy. I then think of Jeremiah who went to preach Gods judgment on the nation for their sins, perhaps someone can hJeremiahith this.

Unfortunately, I don't quite understand all that you're saying here, but I will address what I do understand, below. Otherwise, can you restate it, please? Thanks, much!

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Did Jerimiah associate with any out side of the nation, that were still Gods people, and were any honest ones still in the nation, did they get out before, during or after?

I am not sure you want to use Jeremiah as an example, because:

(1) Jeremiah took his message directly TO Israel - he did not "associate" with Israel but remain quiet, acquiescing to what they were doing, yes?

(2) He was SEVERELY persecuted... and then killed (although his death is not recorded in the Bible) for what he WAS saying to them.

Are you suggesting that, in staying in, you would "drink" Jeremiah's "cup"... and stand up and openly state TO the WTBTS their errors? Because let me assure you, if you did... they will persecute... and try to kill... you, too. Not in body, but they will certainly try to do so in spirit. They will absolutely "expel" (disfellowship) you from their "synagogues" (public meeting [places]). I know. I did it.

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We have the encounter of tsuperstle Paul with the surper fine Apostles also.

You have to be careful with Paul, dear Cookie. I realize that he is the "god" of the WTBTS... but he is not and has never been (or deigned to be) Christ. A great deal of what Paul wrote was WRONG... which is why he had the problems he did WITH the Apostles. He called them "superfine," because THEY called him on his teachings... which went against what they had received directly from Christ. For example, PAUL wrote (to the Corinthians) to "judge those on the inside." The Apostles had received from CHRIST, however, to STOP JUDGING. To whom are we to listen: Paul... or Christ? Many in the Corinthians congregation chose Christ... and so ignored Paul's admonitions. Which prompted him to write his first two letters to them. When his insistence on judging (a particular man) almost tore the congregation in two, he changed his position (which is in his THIRD letter, commonly known as 2 Corinthians - 1 Corinthians 5:9; 2 Corinthians 13:1).

What Paul SHOULD have admonished them to do... was what CHRIST said to do:

“If your brother or sister sins, go and point out their fault, just between the two of you. If they listen to you, you have won them over. But if they will not listen, take one or two others along, so that ‘every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.’ If they still refuse to listen, tell it to the congregation; and if they refuse to listen even to the church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector." Matthew 18:15-17

Paul... and many today, including the WTBTS... absolutely overstep(ped) this directive from Christ! The congregation had already DECIDED how to handle the person in question. PAUL... disagreed... and tried to get them to do HIS will, not God's (by means of doing Christ's will). It wasn't until he understood that he would be personally responsible for the division of that entire congregation that he CONDESCENDED to consider that perhaps HE had been wrong:

"So I made up my mind that I would not make another painful visit to you. For if I grieve you, who is left to make me glad but you whom I have grieved? I wrote as I did, so that when I came I would not be distressed by those who should have made me rejoice. I had confidence in all of you, that you would all share my joy. For I wrote you out of great distress and anguish of heart and with many tears, not to grieve you but to let you know the depth of my love for you.

"If anyone has caused grief, he has not so much grieved me as he has grieved all of you to some extent—not to put it too severely. The punishment inflicted on him by the majority is sufficient. Now instead, you ought to forgive and comfort him, so that he will not be overwhelmed by excessive sorrow. I urge you, therefore, to reaffirm your love for him.

"Another reason I wrote you was to see if you would stand the test and be obedient in everything. Anyone you forgive, I also forgive. And what I have forgiven—if there was anything to forgive—I have forgiven in the sight of Christ for your sake, in order that Satan might not outwit us. For we are not unaware of his schemes." 2 Corinthians 2:1-10

What happened here? Paul was using more BS to cover up his first attempts at BS. I do not mean anything against Paul, but only to share the TRUTH: Paul was formerly a Pharisee and had not yet learned the MERCY of Christ... or to OBEY Christ HIMSELF - he had taken over the congregation by means of his former "Pharisaical" understandings. Hence, his comment as to "testing" the congregation's obedience. Obedience to WHOM? Himself, not Christ. Because, again, Christ said NOT to judge. And so, if the congregation HAD obeyed Paul... they would OVERSTEPPED the command they received from Christ! Why would Paul even want them to DO that, though? Because he "didn't know what" he was doing! As a Pharisee he was whole-souled in that vocation. And so, now, he THOUGHT was he was doing was right. When Christ chose him AWAY from that vocation, however, he KNEW Paul would have to be SHOWN some things, that he would NOT get it all right away. And he didn't.

Why do I call it "BS," though? Because Paul never really acknowledged HIS error in his letter; rather, he turned it so that what he did... and what he was doing... was for the congregation's "benefit" ("See, I was only trying to help YA'LL! I was only TESTING ya'll, to see IF you would be obedient - I didn't really expect you to DO it! I was broken-hearted that you all was allowing this to go on and doing nothing about it, so when I wrote you I was UPSET. And so, if my letters upset YOU it wasn't because of ME, but because of that guy you weren't doing anything about!"). Paul NEVER said, "Oh, forgive ME, as I did not fully understand the love and mercy of Christ that says I should FORGIVE such a person if they listen to me when I admonish them as to their error! MY bad!" The Corinthians, however, knew what to do - handle the matter as a congregation... which they DID... and so they had made their decision and forgiven the man. Paul had tried to get them to do something OTHER than that. The Apostles, however, denounced Paul's instruction... and for that, he was quite peeved. And so, he called them "superfine." Paul, though, was the one with the unbridled ego, at least in this instance.

Eventually, though, he DID learn. That is why, one year AFTER telling the Corinthians TO judge (one another), he wrote the following to the Romans (yes, the letter to the Romans was written AFTER those to the Corinthians - that they are placed differently in the Bible often leads to the confusion as to Paul's spiritual "progress"):

"You, then, why do you judge your brother or sister? Or why do you treat them with contempt? For we will all stand before God’s judgment seat. It is written:

“‘As surely as I live,’ says JaHVeH,
‘every knee will bow before me;
every tongue will acknowledge God.’”

"So then, each of us will give an account of ourselves to God.

"Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in the way of a brother or sister." Romans 14:10-13

One must be careful when "following" Paul... and what he wrote, because (1) Paul wasn't always relating what he received through holy spirit, which HE admits; and (2) not ALL "inspired expressions" (expressions/communications received while IN spirit... "originate with God."). One must TEST the inspired expression and in this case, Paul's direction... to judge and remove a man who had sinned... could NOT have originated with God. Else... Christ was a liar. And THAT can not be because Christ's mouth NEVER lies (Proverbs 8:4-7). So, it HAD to be Paul who was the "liar" here!

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A question: If some believe that the JW became part of BTB, when do you think this happened? I have my personoccurred that this may have occured when the WT starting their 10 yr association with the UN.

It started when Charles Russell and the men he associated with rejected what they were receiving from the TRUE member of the Body of Christ, and rejected that member: MARIA Russell. From there, everything they stated was false, in its foundation. They were simply a tool, from that point, designed to "mislead, if possible, EVEN the chosen ones." And many of these (chosen ones) WERE misled. It went from bad to worse when they stopped ALL from partaking of the flesh and blood of Christ... in essence, "dividing" the Body into two SEPARATE groups... rather than gathering two separate groups into ONE:

“I am the good shepherd; I know my sheep and my sheep know me— just as the Father knows me and I know the Father—and I lay down my life for the sheep. I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd." John 10:14-16

"There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all." Ephesians 4:4-6

"After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands." Revelation 7:9

"Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if it had been slain, standing at the center of the throne, encircled by the four living creatures and the elders. The Lamb had seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth. He went and took the scroll from the right hand of him who sat on the throne. And when he had taken it, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb. Each one had a harp and they were holding golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of God’s people. And they sang a new song, saying:

“You are worthy to take the scroll
and to open its seals,
because you were slain,
and with your blood you purchased for God
persons from every tribe and language and people and nation.
You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God,
and they will reign on the earth.” Revelation 5:6-10

When they designed the "other sheep" and "great crowd" as having a DIFFERENT hope than the sons of Israel... they not only LIED... but SHUT UP THE KINGDOM OF THE HEAVENS BEFORE (such) ONES. That they do/have done this - started, perpetuate, and continue to perpetuate the LIE... AND shut up the kingdom before men... SHOWS, among other things, that they are NOT from God, but from THEIR father - Matthew 23:13-34; John 8:44[\b]]

I hope this helps, truly! I also hope that you allow yourself to become among those who hear the Spirit and the Bride when these say to YOU:

[b]"Come! Take 'life's water'... the holy spirit of the MOST Holy One of Israel, JAH of Armies, which water/spirit is HIS blood, breath, and seed... and is poured out from the innermost parts of His Son and Christ, OUR dear Lord, the HOLY One of Israel and Holy Spirit, JAHESHUA, the Chosen One of JAH (MischaJah)... FREE!"

YOUR servant and a slave of Christ,

Shellamar

thank you very very much for your patience, I am sorry that you didn't understand a few questions, my spell check was playing up for some reason, I took it for granted that it did a good job, and just didn't check before I replied.

You make a lot of sense, and I guess, So true when you compare other religions as being unclean, then why not the WT not, what is the difference, none.

YOu mentioned the Levites as being Gods only true org and was condemned by God, because they were a priesthood, the only priesthood. Will have to read up more on the spirit in the temple and Gods Son.

Interesting about the 7 congregations, you made that very clear to me also with logic, why indeed would anyone stay in a congregation that was not clean. Interesting to you say was not literatal congregations as it was spiritual the temple of Christ.

I put some of these questions to a brother I know that is also on the crossroads, he said that God was patient with his people, for many years and waited for repentance, this was my point in bringing up Jeremiah, even though the Isrealite nation did atocious things, he sent Jeremiah as a prophet to warn them of the calamity that awaited them if they did not repent and come back into a favorable relationship with Jehovah, and of course there would have been some that did and get out, but brother did mention that Christ did not tell anyone to leave the Christian congregation, and used the 7congregations in Revelation as an example, to wait till his authentic return to clean out the org and set up true worship.

Just a few things that have passed my way this past year, but I have go to the stage where I just can't bare to have anything to do with the WTBTS and its GB of imposters anymore, but I love the brothers, I care for them very much, and the scripture says do not forsake the gathering of us together, I think of that also.

Would also like to add I don't believe I am anointed or going to heaven never had any desire to go to heaven. But I do believe that the temple of is the all Christians that make up the congregation for God to dwell.

Thank you for your reply and the time you put in, I appreciate that very much.

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Post subject: Re: hi everone I'm cookie

Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2013 10:59 am

Joined: Sun Apr 14, 2013 4:17 pm
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Hello, cookie! Welcome, and may you have peace.

You and I are in the same boat. I am also still a JW. Much of what is shared here makes a whole lot more sense to me than what JWs teach. Verses that we've read over and over and over just pass us by. Take, for example, last weekend's WT study. Yes, it was a analysis of the prayer of Jesus, but how many times did "Jesus" actually come up in the discussion? For example, John 17:3 was discussed and it was all about "taking in knowledge" and "coming to know" God. And only God. The paragraph gave a nod to Christ when it said to learn about God and Christ, but in reality, it was all about God. Even the comments showed how little credence they give to God's son, who bought you and me with his blood.

Oh, sure, JWs say they believe in Christ, and they may say that when they talk about God's kingdom, and God resurrecting, and God doing this and God doing that. The Bible clearly says Christ will do certain things, such as resurrect and judge, but JWs attribute this to God, thereby passing over Christ's appointment to do so. How extremely rude!

One verse that recently came to my attention is John 5:22,23 (revised NWT): "For the Father judges no one at all, but he has entrusted all the judging to the Son, 23 so that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him."

Verse 22 was last referenced in 1995. Verse 23 was last referenced in 1964, which simply included it as a post. Another reference was in 1962. (w62 10/1 p. 592). It's actually disgusting in what it says:

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In those words Jesus was not telling us to honor him as being the Father or as being God. He did not say we were to honor the Son as much as the Father.

He did not say? "that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father." Of course that's what he said! The Greek word used is kathos.

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kathos: just as, as
Original Word: καθώς
Part of Speech: Adverb
Transliteration: kathos
Phonetic Spelling: (kath-oce')
Short Definition: just as, as
Definition: according to the manner in which, in the degree that, just as, as.

Anyway, I've been learning a great deal here, and have been researching like crazy for about two years now. It is very hard because of having family still very much attached to this organization, so I understand what you are going through.

Wishing you the very best, and I second what Aguest said, Come! Take life's water free!

~LQ

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Post subject: Re: hi everone I'm cookie

Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2013 12:20 pm

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You are quite welcome, dear Cooking (mornin’ and peace to you... and it is OUR pleasure to share with YOU!). No worries about the typos, either!

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You make a lot of sense, and I guess, So true when you compare other religions as being unclean, then why not the WT not, what is the difference, none.

Glad you were able to receive that – LOLOL!

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YOu mentioned the Levites as being Gods only true org and was condemned by God, because they were a priesthood, the only priesthood. Will have to read up more on the spirit in the temple and Gods Son.

Yes, please, do that! The Levitical priesthood is the reason we have “Leviticus” – LOLOL!

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Interesting about the 7 congregations, you made that very clear to me also with logic, why indeed would anyone stay in a congregation that was not clean. Interesting to you say was not literatal congregations as it was spiritual the temple of Christ.

I actually shared what I received from our dear Lord on that matter here:

viewtopic.php?f=22&t=1173

Please note that when I say “received”, it is pursuant to what is stated by Christ, Paul, and John at John 10:1-5, 1 Corinthians 12:10, and 1 John 2:26-28. I can expound on that further, if you need, but what’s stated there is pretty clear. There are many other scriptures/verses that clarify, as well, so let me know – I am YOUR servant!

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I put some of these questions to a brother I know that is also on the crossroads, he said that God was patient with his people, for many years and waited for repentance,

This is true; yet, what did He tell/ask of those who were a part of the part NEEDING repentance (from the errors of the GROUP)? Were they not either directed to TELL the nation their error and/or separate themselves and NOT do as their fellows did? Or were they to continue being a part of the error? Consider what Paul meant when he quoted the Prophets to caution the Corinthians:

”Do not be YOKED TOGETHER with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness? What harmony is there between Christ and Beli’Jah’El? Or what does a believer have in common with an unbeliever? What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God."

He was trying to help them see that there can BE no sharing being the two opposites, righteousness/unrighteousness, light/darkness, Christ/Beli’Jah’El, believer/unbelieve... because they have nothing in common! And so he quoted the Prophets:

"As God has said:

“I will live with them
and walk among them,
and I will be their God,
and they will be my people.”

"Therefore,

“Come out from them and be separate, says JaHVeH.
Touch no unclean thing, and I will receive you.”

“I will be a Father to you, and you will be my sons and daughters,
says JaHVeH Almighty.”

2 Corinthians 6:14-18

Of course, you might yet believe that those associated with the WTBTS are “believers.” I assure you, they are NOT. If they WERE, they would not only DO what Christ SAID, but what he SAYS... by means of HOLY SPIRIT... as well as let OTHERS do, too! You might also yet believe the WTBTS’ false teaching, that Paul was speaking of fleshly marriage. Dear one, there is nothing IN THE ENTIRE LETTER known as Paul’s 2nd to the Corinthians (but is actually his 3rd, yet they don’t tell you that TRUTH! 1 Corinthians 5:9; 2 Corinthians 13:1) that addresses fleshly marriage! Paul was referring to SPIRITUAL marriage... to those in Corinth who considered themselves as part of the bride... of CHRIST! HIS wife... and thus THAT union/yoking!

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this was my point in bringing up Jeremiah, even though the Isrealite nation did atocious things, he sent Jeremiah as a prophet to warn them of the calamity that awaited them if they did not repent and come back into a favorable relationship with Jehovah,

EXACTLY! He sent Jeremiah to WARN them, not to join WITH them or engage in THEIR conduct! Which was my question to you: can/will you drink the “cup” that Jeremiah did? That Christ did when he confronted the corrupt priests and hypocritical scribes and Pharisees? Will YOU go to them and TELL them of their error... as opposed to sit quietly among them and “wait on ‘Jehovah’”? Again, some of us here have done it and what occurred with virtually ALL of the Prophets, as well as with Christ himself, will occur with ANYONE who does so: they will be put to death. If not literally, then attempts will be made to do it spiritually... and it will CERTAINLY be done symbolically, because you will CONSIDERED dead to all who continue to follow HER. They cannot speak to you or even acknowledge your existence. To THEM... you will NOT exist. Yes?

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and of course there would have been some that did and get out, but brother did mention that Christ did not tell anyone to leave the Christian congregation, and used the 7 congregations in Revelation as an example, to wait till his authentic return to clean out the org and set up true worship.

Let me ask you this, though, dear one: let’s say you read the letter to the spirit of, say, Laodicea. You read and discern that perhaps you are neither “hot” nor “cold.” Then you read that if you don’t change some things you will be spit/vomited out... and you don’t want that... so you listen and OBEY. You CHANGE what needs to be changed. You become “hot” (zealous for Christ, as opposed to “cold” toward him, having no love for, belief, or faith in him). If you are now HOT... are you STILL in Laodicea? But how can that be if those IN “Laodicea” are NEITHER not NOR cold?

You “left” Laodicea... when you changed what needed changing, luv. The confusion is when folks deem those congregations as literally PHYSICAL... and not literally SPIRITUAL. They are STATES of mind and heart... STATUSES of SPIRIT (hence, given TO spirits to hold, as custodians)... intended to help those who are WISHING... SEE “where” they are in the “congregation of the Firstborn,” and change what needs to BE changed, if anything. Of course, one must WANT to “see” where they are, if there needs to BE change, willing to MAKE the change... and then OBEY and make the change.

Do you “see”?

But here’s a wonderfully “remarkable” truth that perhaps you did not know: along with various “cities” that reject us in THIS world... it is these congregations that Christ was referring to when he said, “You will by no means complete the circuit (of cities) before the Son of Man arrives.” Meaning, you may find yourself in Laodicea more than once! So, okay, you get it that you need to become either “hot” or “cold”... and you choose “hot” and work on your love, faith... zeal... but sometime down the line you find out you are STILL having problems with, say, pride (“You say, ‘I am rich; I have acquired wealth and do not need a thing.’ But you do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked.”). You didn’t KNOW you had this problem because... you didn’t buy EYESALVE from HIM to help you SEE (where you are, say, naked, etc., and so NEED “covering” – that “covering” being love, which is a fruit of God’s holy spirit. You didn’t know you were LACKING... and so you didn’t ASK for holy spirit (Luke 11:13), and so your love is “wanting”, thus leaving you “NAKED.” Unclothed. And so ashamed, even though you didn’t know you should BE ashamed.

That was part of the problem WITH Jerusalem, part of what Jeremiah was supposed to TELL them. Jeremiah 6:1-30

WE don’t have to read Jeremiah NOW, though, to know how we SHOULD feel (ashamed). WE can “hear what the SPIRIT”... CHRIST, “says to the congregation(s)”... and by listening to HIM... “get the SENSE of” it. And so, that is why those 7 spirits “hold” this information: for those of us who want it, want to peer into the “lamps” that they are and SEE what we need to do to bring ourselves in line with the will of Christ... if we cannot hear him tell us DIRECTLY (which he can and will, if we only LISTEN to his voice – Matthew 17:5; John 10:1-5, 16, 27

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Just a few things that have passed my way this past year, but I have go to the stage where I just can't bare to have anything to do with the WTBTS and its GB of imposters anymore,

Then it is starting for you: you are recognizing the “unclean” thing... indeed, “the DISGUSTING thing standing in a HOLY place.” The holy place... is the TEMPLE of God. That temple... is people (1 Corinthians 3:16:

Christ, the Foundation Cornerstone – Ephesians 2:20
The Apostles and Prophets, the Foundation – Ephesians 2:20
Various ones, Pillars – Revelation 3:12
All, “Living Stones” – 1 Peter 2:4, 5

And in this temple is yet another temple: the HOLY (Christ) and MOST Holy (God, the One whose name is “JAH [of Armies]” – Revelation 21:22

LIKE the physical city of Jerusalem, THIS “city”, the beloved NEW Jerusalem, there is a temple compound (consisting of “courtyards” – of Priests, of Israel, of Women, and of the Gentiles) with a temple (consisting of the Holy and Holy of Holies or MOST Holy) in its midst. UNLIKE the physical city of Jerusalem, the temple of which was made with HANDS... THIS temple is NOT made with hands... but with SPIRIT. Acts 17:24; Ephesians 2:19-21

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but I love the brothers, I care for them very much,

Indeed! We ALL do! OUR love (for them) did not fail – THEIR love (for us) is what has failed! 1 Corinthians 13:8; Matthew 25:40, 45

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and the scripture says do not forsake the gathering of us together, I think of that also.

Yes, but gathering with WHO, dear one? Christ said, “Where the [dead] body is, there the [eagles] gather.” Whose [dead] body? His! Yet, the WTBTS doesn’t allow everyone to even PARTAKE of his body! And who are the “eagles”? They’re not actually eagles at all, but “flying flesh-eating” things. Those who translated these things have NO idea what was meant, and in their “world” the only things that fly and eat flesh are birds of prey. Or eagles. Yet, spirit fly... and eat flesh:

“He gave a command to the skies above
and opened the doors of the heavens;
He rained down manna for the people to eat,
he gave them the grain of heaven.
Human beings ate the bread of angels;
he sent them all the food they could eat.” Psalm 78:23-25

“I am the bread of life. Your ancestors ate the manna in the wilderness, yet they died. But here is the bread that comes down from heaven, which anyone may eat and not die. I am the living bread that came down from heaven. Whoever eats this bread will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.” John 6:48-51

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Would also like to add I don't believe I am anointed or going to heaven never had any desire to go to heaven.

You may not have received an anointing... yet... and no one can say that you will. That should be your HOPE, though. Because the whole “going to heaven” part has been mistaught to you, dear one. Those who are of the Body of Christ DO go to heaven (the spirit realm)... but they don’t stay there. Their rule with Christ is ON the earth, dear one – NOT from heaven. Remember: the NEW Jerusalem “comes DOWN... OUT of heaven” to the earth!

The MOST HOLY One of Israel, JAH of Armies, created the earth FOR us, FOR it to be inhabited. His SON and HEIR... the HOLY One of Israel, JAHESHUA, the Chosen One of JAH (MischaJah)... just did a most loving thing: he chose to SHARE part of his rule with OTHERS. Some, whom he purchased (from Death) with his blood... will have the privilege of ruling WITH him... for about “1,000 years” of HIS “indefinitely lasting” rule. Contrary to the LIE that has been perpetuated by the WTBTS, however, these do NOT just number 144,000... but INCLUDE a “great crowd” out of EVERY nation, tribe, tongue, and peoples.

The “great crowd” are those who take the PLACE of UNFAITHFUL Israel... and who will rule OVER these unfaithful seed of Abraham and others. They, TOO, are bought with Christ’s blood and, along WITH the 144,000 from among the sons of Israel... are BEFORE the throne of God (and NOT “in sight of”!!!)... from where they “render SACRED service”... as ONLY priests can DO... in the temple of God!

Revelation 5:9, 10; 7:9, 11, 15; 20:4-6

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But I do believe that the temple of is the all Christians that make up the congregation for God to dwell.

YES!!! The kingdom... is IN US! But I promise you, dear Cookie – flesh and blood did not reveal that truth to you – GOD... THROUGH CHRIST... revealed it to you! That is how you’ve come to KNOW... what you describe as “believe.” You KNOW this is true, even if others don’t know it, too... or receive it as truth FROM you. You KNOW it... because it is the TRUTH!

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Thank you for your reply and the time you put in, I appreciate that very much.

Again, it was MY pleasure... but you certainly are welcome! I truly hope what we are sharing with you helps! Please know that you can also, as some of us do, go to Christ himself... and ask for yourself! Just approach him, ask... and then put FAITH in what you hear FROM him!

Peace to you!

YOUR servant, as I am servant to ALL those of the Household of God, Israel, and those who go with, and a slave of Christ,

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AGuest

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Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2013 12:23 pm

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I am truly humbled by your words... and love... dear, dear LQ! Both as to me... and, most importantly, as to our dear Lord, the Holy Spirit!

May the undeserved kindness and mercy of my God and Father, the MOST HOLY One of Israel, JAH of Armies... and the love and peace of my Lord and King, His Son and Christ, the HOLY One of Israel and Holy Spirit, JAHESHUA, the Chosen One of JAH (MischaJah)... be upon you... and your entire household... to time indefinite!

Peace to you, dear one!

YSSFS of Christ,

Shellamar

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Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2013 1:46 pm

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Dear AGuest

You mentioned here
"Then it is starting for you: you are recognizing the “unclean” thing... indeed, “the DISGUSTING thing standing in a HOLY place.” The holy place... is the TEMPLE of God. That temple... is people" (1 Corinthians 3:16:

Could you please elaberate on the disgusting thing, if one gets out of the false religion of the WT, and comes into by Christs approval the temple of God, how is the disgusting thing in God's Temple?
his people still.

Standing in the Holy place?

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AGuest

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Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2013 10:55 pm

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In a PHYSICAL sense, the temple at Jerusalem and its sanctuary was, at one time, the "holy" place, dear Cookie (peace to you!)... and some, including the WTBTS, believe (and teach) that the presence of [unclean] Gentiles (the Romans) in the temple sanctuary, constituted a disgusting thing standing in a holy place. That might make sense... except that by the time the ROMANS entered into and occupied the temple is was no longer considered clean (by God) and so was not a "holy" place. It had not only become defiled by the disgusting and abominable things done by the priests during Ezekiel's day... which caused it to be allowed to be destroyed by the Babylonians... once rebuilt, it became a den of thieves and robbers, as well as a haven for corruption and hypocrisy. What is clean... or "holy"... about any of those things?

In addition, (1) JAH had removed HIS spirit FROM it (and, therefore, it was no longer holy), and (2) Christ even said it had been abandoned (so, again, without God's spirit and thus no longer holy).

So... how could the physical temple ACTUALLY be the "holy" place that Christ was referring to?

A "holy" place... is a CLEAN place, ... and thus, a place where God's spirit can dwell. Thus, it is a temple. When Christ was on the earth in the flesh, though, what was the temple of God? Rather... WHO was the temple of God? Was it not HIM? It was, because God removed His spirit FROM the temple... and placed it IN Christ. Matthew 3:16; John 2:19, 21

Christ, then, became the "chosen vessel" for God's spirit. Keep in mind, that spirit has previously resided in the Ark of the Covenant... which had LONG been removed from the temple at Jerusalem! Now, that spirit was in Christ.

Christ's words, however, about a disgusting thing standing in a holy place, was for a time after his death, resurrection, and ascension, yes? Who, though, constituted the temple of God after HIM? Luke tells us, as does Paul:

"When the day of Pentecost came, they were all together in one place. Suddenly a sound like the blowing of a rushing wind came from heaven and filled the whole house where they were sitting. They saw what seemed to be tongues of fire that separated and came to rest on each of them. All of them were filled with holy spirit..." Acts 2:1-4

That "sound like the BLOWING of a rushing wind" was exactly that: Christ BLOWING holy spirit... here, in the form of God's BREATH (because it is also His blood and seed - His LIFE essence!)... which was now in HIM... into those present! Genesis 2:7; John 20:22

Which is why there were "flames" above THEIR heads: just as there had been a flame above the Ark of the Covenant when God's spirit was in the temple at Jerusalem, that flame... His SPIRIT... was now manifested as being IN each one of those people present... by the flame above THEIR heads. And so Paul wrote:

"Do you not know that YOU people are God's temple and that God's spirit dwells in YOU?" 1 Corinthians 3:16

Because just as Christ had been that temple when he was here in the flesh, due to JAH having TRANSFERRED His spirit from the temple made with HANDS... INTO Christ, His chosen "vessel"... CHRIST had transferred that spirit FURTHER... into the PEOPLE... that make up the NEW Jerusalem. The temple NOT made with hands! Starting with the Apostles (John 20:22).

A "disgusting thing" is the same as an unclean thing. And unclean thing is something defiled. Profane. Perhaps steeped in "leaven." Or false/decetiful. And so, as to the "disgusting thing standing in a holy place"... that "holy place" would be the temple of God. But NOT the temple made with hands that stood at Jerusalem. Rather, it would be the temple NOT made with hands, but the "house" being built by Christ... and consisting of PEOPLE.

The "disgusting"... or unclean... defiled... thing... then, would be "standing"... in THAT "temple" - meaning, AMONG THOSE PEOPLE. It would be something that passed itself OFF as clean... so as to be able to ENTER that "temple"... yet, was defiled, unclean, disgusting, profane... an abomination. It would call itself "truth"... yet, that would be LIE... and from the father OF the lie... and so disgusting, unclean, defiled, etc. It would say that it was a chaste virgin, yet commit fornication... with whatever and whoever to protect its interests... and so disgusting, unclean, defiled, etc.. It would say it was a "bride"... yet commit adultery... by listening to the "law" of another (husband)... other than Christ... and so disgusting, unclean, defiled, etc. It would tout itself as pure and clean... yet completed permeated with leaven.

A ROTTEN tree... producing ROTTEN fruit... which "fruit" that would tell US that it was actually UNCLEAN, rotten... disgusting. Yet, standing in the "temple."

It would seat ITSELF in the seat of Moses, making itself mediator between man and God, and thus usurping the place... and role... of Christ. It would call itself "the truth"... when there is ONE Truth... Christ. It would say it had "light"... when CHRIST is the Light. It would call itself "the faithful and discreet slave"... when CHRIST is that servant. It would do all of this... and more... and worse... while committing blasphemy and fornication.

While other entities have fulfilled this during each generation, the CURRENT generation has the WTBTS. IT has placed itself as being part of the temple of God, of the NEW Jerusalem. It is not. The temple of God, the NEW Jerusalem, is a HOLY "city"... made up of the HOLY Ones and faithful ones in union with Christ. This "thing" has falsely made itself a part of that beloved... holy... city... and it is disgusting... not only in its works... but in its doing so.

It is a golden calf that some need to see, to look at... in order to worship God. As a result, they have a FORM of godly devotion, but prove false to its power. They walk by SIGHT... in a "visible representation"... a golden calf that they CALL "God/Jehovah"... but is nothing more than a lie... rather than by FAITH... in the HOLY One of Israel and Holy Spirit, JAHESHUA, the Chosen One of JAH (MischaJah). As a result, they are UNCLEAN in the idol worship... because they WORSHIP an unclean... disgusting... thing.

I often tell others that they don't have to take MY word for what I share here, dear Cookie... and I say the same to you. I am nothing but a good for nothing servant. What I have shared as to this matter is only what I received from my Lord. As with any other here, you, too, can go to him... yourself... and ask him... yourself... as to these things. Indeed, I encourage you to do so. Take a leap of faith... and PUT faith "in the One who speaks from the heavens." Listen to HIS voice... and then put faith in what you hear from HIM as to what he meant. If you ask in FAITH... he WILL tell you. Luke 11:13; 1 John 2:26-28

I hope this helps and, again, peace to you!

Your servant, as I am servant to ALL those of the Household of God, Israel, and those who go with... and a slave of Christ,

Shellamar

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Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2014 12:19 pm

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My spirit is in FULL agreement to everything Shelby has shared with regard to the WTBS.

They are truly disgusting in all their works! They blaspheme the most holy one of Israel Jah and his son who is The Truth by calling themselves ...The Truth!

It is why you are hearing the call to "Get out of her".....quit touching her.....

And " Come....takes life's water which is Holy Spiirt from our Lord and savior Jaheshua, the one who dispenses it for FREE!"

Love your sister and fellow servant of our Lord,
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AGuest

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Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2014 12:37 pm

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Postscript (peace to you all!) - What of other religions? Those who never professed a union with Christ would not be included; they do not "stand in a holy place (the temple of God)." What of Judaism? JAH's spirit was removed from that "house"... and so they are no longer a "holy" place. What of those other religions of "christendom", such as the Catholic Church (including but certainly not limited to the RCC), SDA, LDS, Pentecostals, Fundamentalists, various Protestants, etc.? While those, too, are "pens" that attempt to "fence in" God's sheep by their misuse of the Law (Covenant)... which Law CONSTRUCTS a fence around AND between God's people... for the most part Christ has called his sheep OUT of these some time ago.

They were SUPPOSED to come out... and follow him and ONLY him; but just as with those before them who were called out from these other pens, these too once again "committed fornication with the kings of the earth". As a result, yet another harlotous "daughter" was borne of such union (Babylon the Great, the MOTHER of the Harlots, who is those who CLAIM a union with Christ but adulterize that union by following the law of another "man"... rather than that of the "husband" they CLAIM to have, Christ!): the WTBTS. And so those who NOW claim a union with Christ are "defiling" themselves by means of their union WITH such "woman"... a harlot... and daughter OF Babylon the Great. ALL of these who profane their claimed union with Christ are harlots, adulterers... and the religions that come FROM them, by means of their union with MEN (i.e., earthly kings/leaders, and those more religious than secular, as the secular are usually ruled BY the religious, but either/both; whichever cause them to turn to THEM and so FROM Christ!)... rather than remaining chaste, pure, CLEAN... and UNadulterated... as a member of the Bride of CHRIST!

Such ones, by means of their professed union WITH him... have a husband: Christ! To follow the "law" of ANY other, then, including Moses... makes them adulteresses! Because, a "wife/bride" is bound to the law OF HER HUSBAND... all the days that HE is alive. And Christ... is alive! He LIVES! For anyone to claim a union with Christ, yet follow the "law" of another "man"... including Moses... is SPIRITUAL adultery! Moses... and his law... died! He, bodily. His law... when it was nailed to the pole with Christ! It was "put to death" and taken to the grave WITH him... so that any of God's "wife"... ISRAEL... could be SET FREE to follow the Law of ANOTHER man: His Son, the HOLY One of Israel, JAHESHUA, the Chosen One of JAH (MischaJah)... ALONG with a "great crowd" out of EVERY nation, tribe, tongue, and people.

While JAH's human "wife" was Israel (to whom He gave HIS Law), she... Oholah (the 10-tribe kingdom of Israel) and her sister, Oholibah (the 2-tribe kingdom of Judah/Benjamin)... committed fornication with the nations among which they dwelled... and so she was cast OFF as a wife. But JAH's LOVE for her... by means of His love for ABRAHAM, with whom He made a covenant... will not let Him cast her off FOREVER. To redeem her, He gave her to His SON... so that, along with that great crowd, she becomes HIS wife/bride - the SON's.

And so, AS his wife/bride... ANY who claim a union with CHRIST... must adhere to HIS law... and NO OTHER'S. Otherwise, they are adulterers. THAT is why Babylon the Great IS a harlot: she has FORNICATED with the kings of the earth. And, again, those relationships have produced offspring: harlotous daughters. The religions of "christendom," of which the WTBTS is certainly a part, regardless of its denial! For THIS generation, the blood of the holy ones is being spilled by HER, those so-called "anointed" who fornicate with such kings and ALLOW their own brothers to be persecuted, even killed (spiritually, if not literally, as some even take their own lives due to such persecution!).

THIS daughter/woman is the uncleanest of them ALL... because SHE is the ONLY one who denies "anyone" to partake of the flesh and blood of Christ... so as to BECOME clean, by having their sins blotted out by HIS blood and thus their robes... or bodies washed so as to become "white" and SPIRIT - clean and INcorruptible (IMmortal)... versus UNCLEAN and corruptible (mortal). More than any other "daughter" these SHUT UP THE KINGDOM OF THE HEAVENS before men! Christ said that HE would resurrect anyone who ate his flesh and drank his blood and that by means of HIS resurrection, such ones would live FOREVER. THIS daughter, however, allows fomenting of the LIE... that only SOME can participate in this REQUIRED blessing, that others will receive life EVEN WITHOUT OBEYING CHRIST'S COMMAND... because they have life... "in THEMSELVES."

Christ, the BrideGROOM and HUSBAND, however, said:

"UNLESS you eat the flesh of the Son of Man AND drink HIS blood... YOU HAVE NO LIFE WITHIN YOURSELVES."

Who is right? Them? Or Christ? Whose "law" is truth? Theirs, that says one doesn't have to eat/drink, yet will still be resurrected and live forever (versus being resurrection to JUDGMENT, which is what will TRULY be the case for those who do NOT partake of Christ's flesh and blood... because their SINS will still STAND... having NOT been "washed" in his blood and so having NO "covering"!)? Or Christ's? Their LIE? Or his PROMISE... that if one partakes of HIM... HE will resurrect such one... and by means of HIS resurrection, such one will have everlasting life? Their "way", which goes through THEM? Or him AS the Way? John 14:6

They LIE... as to and against the Son of God, the HOLY One of Israel and Holy Spirit... JAHESHUA, the Chosen One of JAH (MischaJah)... and consort with those who established such lies against him and HIS law! Because of this, they show themselves to be harlots and so UNclean... "disgusting"... and those "touching" her are rendered unclean and disgusting, as well:

"Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ himself? Shall I then take the members of Christ and unite them with a harlot? Never! Do you not know that he who unites himself with a harlot is one with her in body? For it is said, “The two will become one flesh.” But whoever is united with the Lord is one with him in spirit." 1 Corinthians 6:15-17

Paul was NOT speaking of one joining to a harlot in FLESH, but in SPIRIT. He only used the union OF flesh to help the Corinthians SEE... the union of SPIRIT. And how that union can be an UNclean one. We can KNOW he wasn't speaking as to the flesh (as Christ wasn't!), because he FIRST wrote:

"What we have received is not the spirit of the world, but the spirit that is from God, so that we may understand what God has freely given us. This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the spirit, explaining spiritual realities with spirit-taught words. The person without that spirit does not accept the things that come from the spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the spirit. The person with such spirit makes judgments about all things, but such a person is not subject to merely human judgments, for:

“Who has known the mind of JaHVeH
so as to instruct him?”

But we have the mind of Christ." 1 Corinthians 2:12-16; 1 John 2:26-28

She is called "Babylon" (the Great)... because SHE IS A "CITY"... a community made up of MANY "houses"... or dwelling places (for spirits): earthly vessels (bodies). But it is NOT God's spirit that dwells in the "houses" in her, that "great city":

“‘Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great!’
She has become a dwelling for demons
and a haunt for every impure spirit,
a haunt for every unclean bird,
a haunt for every unclean and detestable animal.
For all the nations have drunk
the maddening wine of her adulteries.
The kings of the earth committed adultery with her,
and the merchants of the earth grew rich from her excessive luxuries.” Revelation 18:2, 3

What is UNclean... and disgusting, however... CANNOT BEGET something that is CLEAN and NOT disgusting. Haggai 2:11-14

And so, we, the people of GOD, the MOST HOLY One of Israel, JAH of Armies... are told to GET OUT OF HER! Because her sins have amassed all the way to HIM... and she WILL receive "plagues", as an unclean and disgusting this would... FOR her sins. Any who don't want to SHARE in her sin, therefore, and receive part of the plagues... must get OUT of her.

And that includes out of her harlotous DAUGHTERS... the primary one TODAY, being the WTBTS. A TRULY disgusting thing... standing... placing ITSELF... in the "temple" of God.

I hope this helps... and I hope that all who have ears... or those who wish them are given them... to HEAR and get the SENSE of these truths, as well as when the Spirit and the Bride say to THEM:

"Come! Take 'LIFE'S water'... the holy spirit of God, the MOST HOLY One of Israel, JAH of Armies... which spirit/water is HIS blood, breath, and seed... and is poured out from the innermost parts of His Son and Christ, the HOLY One of Israel, JAHESHUA, the Chosen One of JAH (MischaJah)... FREE!"

John 4:10, 14
John 7:37-39
John 14:6
Revelation 22:1, 2, 17

Again, I TRULY hope this helps... and bid peace to you, all!

Servant to the Household of God, Israel, and those who go with, and a slave of Christ,

Shellamar

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Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2014 2:55 am

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Such ones, by means of their professed union WITH him... have a husband: Christ! To follow the "law" of ANY other, then, including Moses... makes them adulteresses! Because, a "wife/bride" is bound to the law OF HER HUSBAND... all the days that HE is alive. And Christ... is alive! He LIVES! For anyone to claim a union with Christ, yet follow the "law" of another "man"... including Moses... is SPIRITUAL adultery! Moses... and his law... died! He, bodily. His law... when it was nailed to the pole with Christ! It was "put to death" and taken to the grave WITH him... so that any of God's "wife"... ISRAEL... could be SET FREE to follow the Law of ANOTHER man: His Son, the HOLY One of Israel, JAHESHUA, the Chosen One of JAH (MischaJah)... ALONG with a "great crowd" out of EVERY nation, tribe, tongue, and people.

Yes! My spirit bears witness with this. As the bride of Christ, neither do we need to follow any other "man", nor any VISIBLE organisation. We have the 'assured expectation of things hoped for, the evident demonstration of realities though NOT beheld', our FAITH.

Loz x

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Marjorie

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Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2014 3:43 pm

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Hi, fellow newbie! So nice to see you here!

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My first post, been a baptized JW for 37 yrs, drifted in and out over the years, just knew something was not right...I know that the WTBTS is corrupt, and I personally believe that Satan is using this org...

I see by your post, Cookie, that your eyes have been opened concerning the true nature of the WTS. That's wonderful. Mr. Marjorie and I came to that conclusion, as well. When you contemplate the Society in its entirety without the corrupting prism of its brainwashing techniques, it's really the only conclusion that makes sense.

I really cannot add anything to the excellent advice that you've received here, so I will reiterate what the others have so eloquently stated:

You must flee the WTS. You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons. You cannot partake of the table of the Lord and the table of demons. Shall we provoke the Lord to jealousy? Are we stronger than he? 1 Corinthians 10:21-22.
God has a right to all of our worship. To participate in the meetings at the KH would mean sharing in the worship of the Governing Body, thus provoking Him to jealousy. For a true sheep of Christ, it will be no contest at all.

Now that the Holy Spirit has alerted you to the spiritual deception of the WTS, it is imperative that you leave. It is a command from Jesus, Himself: And he said, “See that you are not led astray. For many will come in my name, saying, ‘I am he!’ and, ‘The time is at hand!’ Do not go after them. Luke 21:8

The WTS cannot be reformed, Cookie. This organization displays the very spirit of the antichrist. It falsely prophesies (Deut 18:20-22), usurps Jesus' position as mediator for all (1 Timothy 2:5) denies that Christ was resurrected in the flesh (John 20:27-29, 2 John 1:7), refuses to honor Our Lord's direct commandment on how to honor and remember Him (Luke 22:19-20, 1 Corinthians 11:24-26), deliberately characterizes Him as an angel (Hebrews 1:5), and a fallen angel at that! (http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/197579/1/Watchtower-says-Jesus-is-a-FALLEN-ANGEL#.UsXD1LThGSo)

In all honesty, the WTS hates Christ. And if they do not love Christ, they do not love the Father, either. Not to mention denying the Personhood of the Holy Spirit and turning Him into a thing! The list of Watch Tower heresies is endless!

It is not up to us to reform the WTS, even if it could be reformed, which it will not be. We are commanded to reform ourselves, and to preach the gospel:
Now I would remind you, brothers, of the gospel I preached to you, which you received, in which you stand, and by which you are being saved, if you hold fast to the word I preached to you—unless you believed in vain. For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures 1 Corinthians 15:1-4.

Not the different gospel that the JWs preach (Jesus came invisibly in 1914), and by which they are marked for destruction: I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel—not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed. Galatians 1:6-9.
So serious is the matter that the apostle Paul stated it twice!

God will not allow a cult of Christianity to blaspheme and pervert His Holy Reputation forever. He will not allow a cult of Christianity to slander and persecute His sheep in perpetuity. The fate of all false prophets is DEATH. Leave, get out, flee, so that you may not share in her destruction (Deuteronomy 18:20, the entirety of 2 Peter 2, Revelation 18:4, 19:20, 20:10).

Your sister in Christ,
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Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2014 5:23 pm

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As some still believe that JW are still Gods organization, but have become corrupted

I knew several people who believed this, as well.

The WTS never belonged to God. Not. Ever.

It is quite sad to see people believe this. It is as if such people were only hearing the Holy Spirit in one ear, but the other ear remained deaf.

A slave cannot follow two masters (hmmm...).
It is only through the grace of the Holy Spirit, that we learn the real truth: When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come. He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you. All that the Father has is mine; therefore I said that he will take what is mine and declare it to you. John 16:13-15.

The Spirit of truth or the Watch Tower's 'truth'. A Christian cannot dabble in both.

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Loz

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Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2014 5:31 pm

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The Spirit of truth or the Watch Tower's 'truth'. A Christian cannot dabble in both.

Great point Marjorie. Spot on.

Loz x

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Justmom

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Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2014 6:52 pm

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Loz wrote:

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The Spirit of truth or the Watch Tower's 'truth'. A Christian cannot dabble in both.

Great point Marjorie. Spot on.

Loz x

Yes to all of this!

Thank you for sharing this,

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AGuest

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Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2014 11:20 pm

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Thank you, dear Marjorie, for your kind words and corroboration (peace to you, dear one!). All that you state is accurate with the exception of the following, which I have to comment on:

Not to mention denying the Personhood of the Holy Spirit and turning Him into a thing!

As you may read elsewhere, sometimes the WTBTS publishes something that is true... and there position as to [the] holy spirit is partly true. The "trinity" doctrine is a false doctrine, dear one: there are not three, but two - the Father and the Son. The Son IS the "Personhood" of the Holy Spirit (2 Corinthians 3:17; 1 John 2:1, 2). He is the Personification of ALL that is from God: Truth, Life, Way, Wisdom, Spirit, etc. Hence, he is the HOLY spirit sent by God, "holy" once he became glorified AS a spirit being.

Holy SPIRIT, however, is another thing, entirely. It is the life essence of God... HIS spirit... or blood, breath, and seed (semen). The things from which life comes/originates. We have record of it being His breath when He blew it into Adham's nostrils, when Christ blew it upon the Apostles, and when those in the upper room at Pentecost heard and received it (in the form of a "rushing wind"). In each instance, it was "breathed."

We have recordation of it being blood by means of the it being the "living water" that comes from the innermost parts of Christ, the Son. As the SON of God, that One has His blood... or spirit... IN him. He received his FLESH from Mary; hence, his flesh was sinFUL (full of sin), not perfect, as many teach/believe. Had it been perfect it would not have been sick, afflicted... or even died. PERFECT flesh... does not die. It is INcorruptible and so immortal. Flesh with sin IN it, however, dies. True, Christ did not carry his OWN sins in his flesh - he was without sin (did not commit sin). Hence, he carried OUR sins... every kind of sickness and disease, even death... in HIS flesh FOR us.

Although imperfect in flesh, however, Christ was perfect... in SPIRIT. That's because although he received his "vessel" of flesh, his physical body from Mary, a physical woman who had sin and death in HER vessel (body)... he received his SPIRIT... from God Himself. In that light, God put His "seed"... or HOLY spirit... IN the vessel that was the body Christ received from Mary.

Christ is the Truth (John 14:6)... and the spirit we RECEIVE from him... holy spirit... is the spirit OF truth. It is the blood of God, which we receive through Christ, so as to become "blood relations" and so ONE WITH him, in SPIRIT.. as a man and woman become one in flesh. It is also the breath of God... the spirit that comes out FROM Him, which we receive through Christ, so as to come to life. And it is the "seed" of God, which we receive from Christ, that "begets" us as SONS of God. It is in these THREE ways that those who RECEIVE that spirit... by means of an ANOINTING (with the "oil of exultation")... are constituted as sons of God. Three, so that sonship is indisputable.

Because the spirit, the water, and the blood... are one and the same ("agree"). They are the life essence of the MOST HOLY One of Israel, JAH of Armies, Himself... His holy spirit... given to mankind by His Son, the HOLY One of Israel, JAHESHUA, the Chosen One of JAH (MischaJah)... the Holy Spirit.

The CONFUSION as to these two (holy spirit and the Holy Spirit) are the result of those WITHOUT such holy spirit, and therefore, WITHOUT knowledge of Christ, the Holy Spirit... deigning to explain both to others. Such ones did several things, including (but not particularly limited to):

1. Adding the word "the" in places where there was/is no "the", like before the term "holy spirit";

2. Adding capital letters to the words "holy" and "spirit" in those instances where none would have been intended by today's standard (there were no capital letters in either Hebrew OR Greek)... although there are places where, by today's standard, such is appropriate, just not ALL instances;

3. Changed the Greek word for "it" to "he", because, again, they didn't KNOW the One they were speaking OF... OR the spirit of God.

Additional confusion comes in with the words "holy" and "spirit." They do NOT refer to the same things in all instances. Which should be understandable as we have many words today that, although spelled the same MEAN different things. For instance, "room" (where you sleep - "It's in the room")... and "room" (indicating space - "Make room on the shelf"). There are a PLETHORA of words like this. And "holy" and "spirit" are no different. There is HOLY spirit, God's clean, pure, and so holy... life-giving, essence... and the Holy Spirit, Christ... a spirit (being)... glorified... and so the HOLY One (of Israel). Thus, a holy SPIRIT.

BECAUSE of THEIR lack of knowledge, however, those who deigned to teach what they did not know... and do not know, still... utterly mistransliterated the verse at Matthew 28:19, 20 to read:

"... baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit."

The Father and the Son both have names ("JaHVeH" and "JAHESHUA"); however, what name do they give the "Holy Spirit"? "The Holy Spirit" is not a name, dear one - even in the erroneous understanding, it is a designation. Had they KNOW the Father, by means of KNOWING the Son... they would have KNOWN:

1. Again, the SON, Christ... GLORIFIED... is the "[Holy] Spirit"; and

2. The verse was WRITTEN as:

"... baptizing them, in the name of the Father... INTO the Son... WITH holy spirit."

Which is exactly what John, the Baptizer, said Christ would do: baptize folks with God's spirit, which is also "fire." That Son DOES that... in the name of the Father... by granting folks that Father's SPIRIT (His blood, breath, seed), which is a "fire"... either directly (Acts 2:1-4)... or through those of his Body (Acts 3:1-10; 8:14-17; 19:1-7). We are baptized INTO him, INTO his Body... by means of RECEIVING holy spirit... which he gives in the name of the Father, JAH of Armies ("JaHVeH").

That the WTBTS has this matter correct does not mean anything, however. As our dear tec (peace, luv!), posted elsewhere, they simply stole this truth from someone who received it FROM Christ. As has been the case with ALL of the little bits and pieces of truth they "have." Such does not negate their falsity, however, but only shows them to be the thieves and plunderers that they are.

In closing, please know that I am not sharing this with you to argue, dispute, debate, offend, make you look "bad," or ANYTHING like that. I share it only because it's TRUE. You have every right to believe what you wish to; I do not judge you or hold it against you - we truly are not like that here. I made a PERSONAL promise TO God and Christ, however, long, long ago, that I would NEVER lie as to them, holy spirit, the Bible/what's in it... or anything related... ever again. And so while I did not make the erroneous statement, I am of the mind and heart that not setting the matter straight, when I COULD and KNEW what was straight... would, for me, be tantamount TO lying. By omission. As to ME... and me alone - I do not speak for ANYONE else.

And so, I had to "speak" up, if you can allow yourself to understand that. I sincerely apologize if my doing so offends - I truly hope not as that that is absolutely NOT my intent but only to share the truth as to this matter.

Again, peace to you!

YOUR servant and a slave of Christ,

Shellamar

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