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CHARIKLO SAID

You say this, Sab, as if it is fact, but, although I know that legends abound, would you say that there is definite evidence confirming your statement?

SABASTIOUS SAID



Such a figure would be worshiped and hated, both would lead to her painful death. I believe only the Apostles knew about the relationship.



I use a proof text of John 20: 11-18


If I died and was resurrected I would want to first see my wife. Jesus did not appear the same, so she doesn't realize at first. All he has to do is say her name which would mean she recognized the tone and expression behind the word used. This, to me, is a romantic gesture and shows that Mary and Jesus had a thing. It's written so that you can just take her as another servant, but I don't believe such to be the case. No, the relationship could never have been official for many reasons including the one Shelby gave. He couldn't cheat on his Heavenly Bride. Spiritually speaking Mary was a concubine, but since she was the only one that would put her in a pseudo-wife role. It was messed up. To me it makes perfect sense because how could Jesus not have experienced love as we all see it? I just don't buy it. Part of why he came here was to experience what we do so that we could relate to him on a personal, human level. That idea was mostly corrupted by the Gospels. John 20 is a window into what actually happened.

-Sab

SABASTIOUS SAID

Char, more evidence would be in his teaching about what constitutes adultery of the heart.


If Jesus NEVER had a romantic interest then what right does he have to tell other men what thoughts they can and can't have? Thoughts don't ALWAYS turn into actions, that's what free will is all about. So, what is Jesus talking about? The bond between man and woman comes with it's own set of rules. The very next section speaks about divorce:



Basically, what Jesus is saying is that if you think lustfully about another woman while married you should give your wife the opportunity to divorce you officially. If Jesus HAS a love interest then he would have the right to say this because he would have been tested. Since he was IN LOVE with Mary Magdalene he would have the opportunity to test his "evil eyes" so to speak. As the Son of God he would have perfect loyalty for his wife and he would never have to give her a certificate of divorce. Jesus is EXTREMELY tough on this subject with no room for error. You are supposed to literally become ONE FLESH, not 99%. If you are having passionate thoughts about others you are NOT ONE FLESH and therefore the woman has a right to a legal separation, to be free to choose someone who will be loyal.

All of this becomes very odd advice given from a man who has never had any type of romantic relationship. The picture of a sexless Christ has been a lie from the beginning. Christ is the creator of sex, he is not going to act like it's a plague when he comes to earth for the ONLY time. This is just common sense.

-Sab

YPPUPLLEH SAID

Hmmm is the real question whether or no people believe Jesus Christ ever had an orgasm?

-Puppy cutting to the chase
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Love is a warm rubber puppy...

CHARIKLO SAID

Probably not, Pup.

YPPUPLLEH SAID

No one will ever know and I don't believe that the truth of the matter would change anything.
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Love is a warm rubber puppy...

SABASTIOUS SAID

Q
Of course he did. Through him all things were created, including the human sexual system. You ever seen a chef who doesn't try his own food?

-Sab

CHARIKLO SAID

My "probably not" referred both to whether or not he had, and also whether or not that was the real question, Pup.

The "probably not" should be taken as a typical English dry understatement. It could be read as "I don't think there is any chance whatsoever of either of these things being the case".

But don't take my word for it!

YPPUPLLEH SAID

My loose analogy would be to ask if Jesus was a vegetarian or not or which way does he replace a roll of toilet paper? Over roll or under roll?
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Love is a warm rubber puppy...

CHARIKLO SAID

Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 12:28 am Post subject:
And I'd again be saying "probably not", given that he ate fish and was helpful at the wedding feast.

And you don't need me to remind you that he'd have had to wait two thousand years for the invention of toilet paper, you mischievous hound!

AGUEST SAID

My Lord loved Mary... as a sister (because she could not have been his wife - he was already promised to another, his Bride, the NEW Jerusalem). They were VERY close, though, but not in an eros kind of way (well, for him, at least).



Actually, Mary's brother Lazarus (aka Simon the Leper/Zealot (kanean)) was the one my Lord loved and had affection for (John 11:1-3).

Can someone tell me, of those of you who might not do so... why do you not just ask? If YOU truly believe the Bible is the Word of God... or inerrant... or speaks about the One whose life is being discussed here... or you believe some of it is accurate/some of it isn't (but what it says about Christ to be close if not full accurate)... and regardless of any of THAT... if you believe you are in union or have a relationship with him... why don't you just ask HIM? Does not the Bible... that speaks of him and points to him... say that HE speaks? Christ would not hide anything from his FRIENDS... would he? Just asking...

Dear, dear Lar (peace to you!)... if you believe the Bible to be "truth"... why do you not put faith in what it SAYS... as to Christ being "with" his sheep, speaking to them, and leading them (by spirit) so that they do not need ANY to be teaching them... so as to show us HOW, if you know, that should occur?

I really need to hear this from you... before I can undertake any further discussion with you. I mean no offense, but your assertions are often quite contradictory, dear one... and there just isn't time to entertain certain teachings "just because."

So, if you've a mind... and heart... to do so, please answer the above (in green).

Thank you and, again, peace to you!

A slave of Christ, the Holy One of Israel, JAHESHUA the Chosen One of JAH (MischaJah), who is the Son and Christ of the MOST Holy One of Israel, JAH of Armies... and not of "Larry... JCanon or Larsinger58 of JWN"... or Brooklyn. Sorry, no offense... but true...

SA

CHARIKLO SAID


Ah, Shelby, there's the nub of it! Good question!

For me, well, the answer is that I do! I might not express my thoughts using the same words or reasoning as you, but I believe we are very close in that we take it to the Lord in prayer. And that life is lived with a backdrop of and within a framework of prayer.

However, I'd also add that this isn't necesaarily a lengthy process....though it might be.... it's very much, too, the spirit within us answering, with all that prayer in the background. Prayer, and its many, many dimensions, are another whole topic, and not for now, for me, as a new and full day lies ahead of me!

But I'd like to add that I so much agree with what you wrote there.

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AGUEST SAID

Q

Yes, of course, dear Char (peace to you!). MANY, of not most, here do! My question was toward those here who don't... without singleing out anyone in particular (I mean, it could apply to several folks, but NO offense intended as to ANY).

My apologies, though, if any were - that was no my intention; unfortunately, my forthright way of... mmmmm... sharing... can sometimes come off too blunt. But I don't know any other way while sticking to what is true. For me, when I start worrying about the words... I start worrying about the "slippery slope" to deceit.

I hope you (all) can understand.

Again, peace to you!

YOUR servant, sister, and fellow slave of Christ,

SA

CHARIKLO SAID

You "tell it like it is", Shelby, straight up and honest, no double-speak, no pretence, what you see is what you get. I like that, ...and it works for me!

YPPUPLLEH SAID

Not all people hear God as some do here. To ask why don't they just go to the source and "ask" Jesus is implying that they are able to share the same experiences as you.

It's a given that many people will "hear" conflicting messages so that leads to ,as a collective whole, nowhere
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