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This is a big 'if'.

Does love not WANT to GIVE? To give LIFE and LOVE to others?

Does not the very nature of love want to share that love and joy WITH others?

So that LOVE produced LIFE?


Why think that God had a need/void? Why not think that God wanted to GIVE and SHARE love (and so life) with others.


Just something else to consider.

Love may compel one to beget life... through whom all other life was created into being.



I know what you are saying here (though I share what I understand on it above)... but Paul, you don't believe that God is a triune being, if you believe that Christ IS the Holy Spirit, right?

Remember also, that the law was to love others as oneself. (so how can it be inferior... the perfect nature of love was that one would love friend AND enemy, rather than just friends)


Peace,
tammy

Also, I just wanted to emphasize... in case anyone is worried... that discussing such things, and even disagreeing... does not mean that we do not see one another as brothers in Christ, or that our love for one another is any less. Even on what is often a touchy subject as the trinity.

I know that Paul feels the same.

I just wanted to set minds and hearts at ease on that point, if anyone was thinking otherwise.

We are not 'fighting'... but rather discussing.


Peace to all,
tammy

Of yes a BIG IF
LOL
If There was a "time" when Father existed without Son then He would not be The Father of course, He would be simply GOD, a singular spiritual being.
If that being was love, because He was love, it would, since NOTHING else existed, be self-love.
When/why/how/what does self-love beget?
Philosophical questions, I know, but still fun to ponder.
One of the hardest things to fathom is the issue of "time", was there ever a time that God was alone? no son?
If there was, and God needed/wanted nothing because He, being God, was fully self-contained and self-satisfied, why beget?
You say it was because He wanted to share His love, but if His love was self-centered, how could He want to share something that isn't shared ?


*intense, I know, LOL *

Oh my goodness, YES
The reason we can discuss this IS because we love each other IN CHRIST, Our beloved Lord and Savior.
This is not about convincing the other, people here now I rarely try to do this.
It is about sharing understanding.
Even if we do NOT agree, that we understand brings us even closer to each other, though Our Lord.

Yet 1 John 5:19 says, " the whole world is lying in the power of this wicked one."

Revelation 12:9 tells us" he is a great dragon who is Satan, who is misleading the ENTIRE inhabited earth."

So yes a false God and the most powerful of them. Because he has chosen Death to be his father.
And all those who follow him as false gods are like children to him. 1john 3:10

Love to you
Justmom

Absolutely, Paul. You've said it beautifully.

Well, you certainly didn't get that from me, dear Char (peace!)... as you seem to be implying. JAH has two sons: Adham, by his slave wife, "Hagar," and Christ, by his free wife, "Sarah." Now, there are some (perhaps even you, based on the Bible you use - Job 1:6; 38:7) that believe angels are also sons of God... and since Satan IS an angel... then that WOULD make him a son, would it not? But I did not make that assertion... because it's not accurate. Sons are born... from a mother. They come out of womb. Thus, Christ from the womb of the Woman, "Sarah"... and Adham from the womb of the maidservant, "Hagar." Angels were created, not born, hence, none are called sons by JAH.

Please, use your intelligence and stop misrepresenting me and what I share in such false ways, as you keep doing for some reason. If not, you will leave me no choice but to presume you are doing so ON PURPOSE... which negates the "love" you want me to believe you do have.

My wish for peace for you remains.

A slave of Christ,

Shellamar

That's not entirely accurate, dear P (peace to you, luv!). In OUR world, a man isn't considered a father until a child is born. However, in ancient times, a man was a father... from the moment of conception. And so, as long as He had the capacity to BE a father (i.e., viable seed), the MOST Holy One of Israel, JAH of Armies, COULD be called such. Could call HIMSELF such. Even so, He didn't. He identified Himself either as "ALmighty" or by His name "JAH... who causes/breathes armies (of spirit beings) [to come] in(to) existence." Jah... Veh.

He wasn't CALLED "Father"... until the Son, who FIRST called Him such... came forth.

Also, the word "GOD" does not denote a singular spiritual being. Again, Satan is a god. The word is a DESCRIPTION of a KIND of being: celestial... versus terrestrial.



YES! Self-love! But TRUE love, even for self... cannot be contained WITHIN one's self... can it... and truly BE love? Does it not have to manifest in SOME way? Dear one, even an earthworm will "love" itself and procreate. Is not the MOST Holy One of Israel higher than a earthworm? Procreation in and of itself is not necessarily indication of love; and NOT procreating is not necessarily indicative of a LACK of love.

Love of SELF can go two ways: it can be purely self-focused... or it can be self-projecting. Which is why MOST who have children DO so: they want to continue their progeny, have a kind of reflection of themselves to carry on.

Most who CAN have children, but DON'T... don't because they believe it selfish to bring children into this world. Or, they're too busy. Or they can't afford it. Or they don't desire the company/progeny. In JAH's words to Adham/Eve ("Be FRUITFUL and MULTIPLY"), we can see that HE wanted MORE children (remember, Adham is His SON!).

But we can't make a true correlation as to man... and as to JAH. What JAH did... was create a "weaker" version of Himself... through which He brought forth every other thing. ONLY that One had power close to His (everything else was at least one more step away).

That One, that Son... has PROVEN... that he is INDEED "just like his father." And he is the only one... in all creation... that has. As a parent, you might be able to understand that that ALONE... is a reason to rejoice! And JAH does rejoice over that One. Indeed, He makes JAH's heart GLAD... JAH being FOND of him... over all else!

What can one add to love to make it even greater... except JOY? For JAH, that Son fulfilled both.

I hope this helps and, again, peace to you!

YSSFS of Christ,

Shel

Good!Dont ask for my money or help either!Most of my family are jws and for the most part are drunks,overmedicated,liars and pervert liberals that vote demoncrap.I thought witnesses were not allowed to vote.Do as we say not as we do on everything.Get out of her so you dont share in her plagues!You may of heard of my mother sister rotten crotch and my sister druggie jdubya in the Ellijay Georgia area.Ive never met more perverse people than the watchtower cultists yet they point fingers at others.That rafter must really hurt after a while!

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