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No, I think that if you are going to accuse someone of something... then you should be willing to provide evidence of your accusation. Most of the people I know who are unwilling to do this... are unwilling because their accusations are false. Or because they know, within, that they may have misunderstood... and so do not want to give the person they are accusing any opportunity to defend themselves.

Peace,
tammy

I don't play that game, Tammy.

You are SO sanctimonious. SO arrogant. SO patronising. And so very, very wrong.

It is you, Shelby, who do not know Jesus Christ. You hear a voice. It is not Jesus Christ, Lamb of God, Son of the Father.

You are utterly ignorant concerning him. You say, and you repeat, and Tammy likes to repeat and so must believe it, which is sad, that I don't back up what I say.

Lie. Untruth!

You arrogantly say you "profess" to be "part of the Body". You arrogantly presume to shut the door of heaven to most. You don't acknowledge the billions of people who do believe in Jesus Christ, Son of God, who takes away the sins of the world. When reminded that Jesus opened the door of heaven to all believers, you denied it and said that they were not really chosen by him. You say I don't back things up? Learn to read, Shelby. John 11:26.

That's invisible writing to you and Tammy. Because, after all, you say I don't back things up. You can't see that invisible reference, because, after all, you weren't able to see the previous references I gave, backing things up. After all, you have to have chapter and verse. You're Jehovah's Witnesses in all but name, and that goes for Tammy too, who seems to have caught the plague by osmosis.

No, Catholics, by and large, don't do chapter and verse. They know it off by heart, because so much is there in Mass every day. But no, JW's, and so you, have to focus on the detail of each tree. Thus they lose all sense of proportion and context, and completely lose sight of the forest.

Char, these things that you way don't even make sense. Something like this cannot happen. It is just that I am an anomaly to your judgment against those who hear the voice of Christ... and what He teaches those who belong to Him... so you have to come up with something to explain me away, no matter how ridiculous.




Your forest would look a lot different if your eyes didn't skip over the details and individual trees, in order to maintain your group view of the forest.

Catholics do not know their bibles off by heart, and many don't even know their bibles well at all... even you have said that your biblical knowledge is not as good as some of us here. I'll try and find that for you if you want me to.

Otherwise, when we ask you for a verse to back up something you claim... you could provide it. But you do not.


How you think seeing a handful of trees, rather than ALL of the trees, allows you a clearer picture of the forest than someone who looks at them all (or looks at the ones the Forest 'King' tells you are important)... well, I just do not know.


Peace,
tammy

You arrogantly say you "profess" to be "part of the Body". You arrogantly presume to shut the door of heaven to most. You don't acknowledge the billions of people who do believe in Jesus Christ, Son of God, who takes away the sins of the world. When reminded that Jesus opened the door of heaven to all believers, you denied it and said that they were not really chosen by him. You say I don't back things up? Learn to read, Shelby. John 11:26.



Char, this one particular paragraph shows you do not either read nor understand your bible. But your understanding may be because of the interpretation of your leaders. I understand this.

Where ever has Shelby EVER shut the door to the kingdom to anyone????
It needs to be addressed because you are misleading others here who may not have been keeping up since the beginning of this. This is a lie!! Not true!!!! She never has done this!!!

Char, if you are not going to allow Christs voice directly to teach you, then you need to study your bible and learn who are referred to as " the body or church" ...of CHRIST. And who are referred to as the sheep in the Bible?...The goats?...Christs brothers verses those that do GOOD to Christs brothers?
That door IS and ALWAYS has been open to everyone! Some will heed this calling and some will choose not to. Doesn't mean people are denied salvation.

Char, Catholics are not taught to know their bibles. They are taught to have it interpreted for them, just like the JWs. This would explain much of the issues here.

But again, I realize you do not agree.

Love to you Justmom

I agree with this JustMom. But Char isn't going to listen, nor find out from her bible what is true about the body. Not at the moment anyway. She doesn't want to, she wants to cling to the RCC and defend them at all costs, even her own. If she was referring to scripture during these long to and fros, by now she would be understanding what Christ taught about the body. She can't be, her reasonings don't equate with scripture, nor with the Holy Spirit. It makes me so sad, because she really has no idea what she is rejecting. But it's her choice to make.

Misleading people about what Shelby, and most here discuss, is reprehensible. The majority that really read Shelby's posts though, can't fail to see where her faith lies. Christ's voice is audible in her posts as many attest to, including myself. And His sheep know His voice.

Loz x

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"This is my son. LISTEN to Him!"

Agreed Loz....

Thank you for this sharing. Yes, those who are seeking CHRIST will see the truth in the message.

Love to you my sister
Justmom

Shaking head... sadly... but... sadly... no longer surprisingly.

Ah, well... what can you do/say? Nothing for/to one who doesn't want it/to hear. Maybe time to try that whole "let's not address one another, but only the issues" thing... again. Don't see it working (again)... but if at first you don't succeed...

To all of you who are subject to misrepresentations, nastiness, even attacks... because of, yet again, someone's disdain for ME... my sincere apologies. Would that such folks would address your comments... and the backup/support you include... rather than deflecting to ME... and utterly disregarding you and YOUR faith... and intellectual abilities (you know, you dears really can't think for yourselves, right... which is WHY you are no longer JW's... because thinking for oneself is an absolute "no-no"...

My Lord KNOWS I wish such folks would keep their... chagrin... between me and them... and stop falsely accusing YOU (I mean, shouldn't all that LOVE they talk about dictate that??)... but, well, I guess that if you really CAN'T counter another's arguments or assertions one of the next steps WOULD be to try and create a common enemy (that's how it often works on the playground, too!).

And I am that for many, a common enemy. Indeed, some have absolutely nothing in common with the others they are in agreement with) to EXCEPT their disdain for me - LOLOL! I... and their disdain FOR me... is the one thing they agree on! LOLOLOL! In that light, I guess I should be happy that they have SOMETHING to discuss in their lives, yes?

Ah, well... I know I'm not only not alone, but in GREAT company! As our dear Lord said:

"HAPPY you are when people say lying say every sort of thing about you FOR MY NAME'S SAKE!"

If my declaration of the truth... and particularly of CHRIST, the Truth... is what brings folks together... whether to share as to THEIR union with him, too... OR to share their disdain for ME... so be it! So long as Christ IS the reason folks are talking... so be it! Folks can say what they will... whether it be PRAISE JAH... or "damn that damn Shelby"! LOLOLOL!

Because my faith... and hearing... isn't dependent on what some other human "says." No matter what position he or she holds among mankind: GB member, Pope... or lowly laity. Christ is the One I hear and listen to... not the voice of strangers... and certainly not the voice of someone who can't even back up what THEY say... not only keeps twisting, changing, and excusing what they say AWAY... but puts THEIR faith in a "golden calf" that THEY have been misled to believe has some kind of credence in the heavens. Sure... right.

Folks should know by now... and I'm sure all but one DOES... that I don't care what folks say (negatively) about her... not at all... but rather that I consider it JOY when I meet with such opposition! Otherwise, I would have crumbled long, long... long ago. But... I am still here... and my message has not changed, not one iota. No "reform" or "new light" here... but just a leading... by the HOLY ONE of Israel, JAHESHUA, the Chosen One of JAH (MischaJah)... who is the HOLY SPIRIT... "into ALL truth."

Keep the faith, dear ones... and let no one persuade you away from that Holy One, who is the TRUTH... or the truth about him... or anything else!

Again, peace to you ALL!

YOUR servant, sister, and fellow slave of Christ,

Shellamar

Please do read my posts again, Tammy. And where I haven't obeyed your instructions for this and that, please remember that not everybody plays that game. I do not. No is also an answer...and if you were then to reply that I didn't back it up because I didn't know, well, I'd laugh, those who know me well would laugh, and there are a few who will say something like Amen.

Pretty tragic, really.

Keep saying it, Shelby. Keep saying with capital letters and much proclaiming of "you don't know Him" etc...keep on telling yourself and anyone who'll listen...and some will even believe you!

If it were Jesus you were listening to, you would not write as you do. We are told to exercise discernment. I shall.

When I first read your post above, first thing this morning, my initial reaction was just not to bother here any more. There are plenty of others, even some of the moderators that you started with, who have not been able to endure your behaviour any longer, and have walked. Some of those still talk to me.

One thing that you and your tiny inner group keep saying is that I don't say the same things, that I used to believe otherwise. Of course I did! When I came I thought you followed Jesus! I found out different. Some here do.

Your whingeing that you are being attacked is convincing four or five people. Others see what is really going on. What people think doesn't matter. I shall continue to speak my mind, matching nonsense with facts. Don't I quote chapter and verse? But you know the Bible! Why would you need it?

Char, you can laugh all you want. But if you do not back an accusation up... OR if you ignore where others back up the reason for their faith in something particular, while failing to back up what you believe... then no one has ANY reason to believe you or consider what you are sharing/accusing. I certainly don't. And if you were TRULY trying to help people here, if you were TRULY concerned, then when they ask you to back something up regarding faith, the doctrines that you believe in, etc... you would provide that for them. So that they could see what you are seeing.

Just as we do for you.


There is no 'game', except perhaps what you are now playing. We are sincere. We are sharing as we are given, and it is supported. As we have discussed before, if you would answer the questions asked of you (which questions you once said that you wanted to answer to help others understand)... just as we answer the questions you ask...then there could be an actual discussion. But you ignore them and/or deflect instead. That is what people do when their beliefs or statements do not stand up to the test of truth, and though they might not admit it to themselves, they must know it, or I would think that they would at least try. But shouldn't you WANT to examine and test... to be sure that your faith truly is in Christ rather than something false, and to be sure you are not actually 'kicking against the goads'... as Saul did, when he thought others were wrong, and he and his organization right?


Peace,
tammy

As I said.

Because YOU don't, Char.

If you had to back up what you claim, then you might see that. But you won't do it. And you ignore, deflect, or dismiss what we DO give, to support what we share from Christ.


Peace,
tammy

Well......

RE: Knowing the bible.
Many people KNOW the WORDS in the bible, many by heart.
They do NOT KNOW Christ.
The Pharisees were re-known for their knowledge of the scriptures and yet...
The Sanhedrin were the elite of the elite of the Pharisees and no one knew the scriptures better then them ( at least in their own opinion) and yet...

To know God and Christ is to KNOW LOVE.
To show anything but love is to show lack of KNOWING God and Christ.