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Cedars made up a video about a talk given on June 1, 2013 at the DC. its the same old stuff except reinforcing it and saying you must shun family or you aren't loyal to Jah and you will not give the disfellowshipped person motivation to come back.
Total brainwashing as usual and sorry but that speakers voice is like chalk scraping on a board. Unfortunately a lot of the disfellowshipping going on today is for people who don't agree with the WT and so that's why they don't want you to associate with them and not because they care about them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yLdwe_6JsU&feature=player_embedded#at=531

Thanks, dear Zoe (peace, luv!). Personally, I can't watch the video (sorry, but all of that "poison" makes me ill just hearing/reading it. Literally, I get sick to my stomach. And so I haven't "touched" anything of theirs in years, not even to reinforce my knowledge that they are false. They are. That's not going to change.)

But I did want to say, to this outlook of their's:



If they were TRULY joined to God/Christ... why would they even want someone to come back because of guilt/fear/evil compulsion... versus love? The "prodigal son" didn't return to HIS father because he thought him a hard, exacting, tyrant of a man! No, he went back... because he KNEW his father was a LOVING, KIND, FORGIVING man! That's what drew the son BACK!

You'd think these folks, for all of the "love" and godly devotion they claim to have would KNOW that it is LOVE that compels a "prodigal" to return, not fear, etc. Sure, some WILL return for that reason... but are they truly SONS? And is it GOD they are returning to... or is it to the one who foments fear, whose "golden calves" thrive on it?

That is not how it is with JAH. One is not drawn to JAH because of fear or guilt... but because of LOVE. GOD's love, CHRIST's love... and one's love FOR these. Because God IS love... and so, as my Lord said, NO ONE comes to HIM... unless the Father "draws" them!

The sons of JAH, then, are drawn to HIM... by being drawn to His SON... because of the love SHOWN us by that Son.

There is no other Way, dear ones. Again, some may return to the "teet" of whatever paticular "harlot" they were once feeding from, but it will not be to the bosom of "Sarah." Because it is only through HER "child," the HOLY ONE of Israel, JAHESHUA, the Chosen One of JAH (MischaJah)... that such ones can even access her breast.

I have come to prefer the SWEET "water" that flows from him... over the polluted, sour, and poisonous wormwood that flows from the daughters of the Harlot. May the day come when ALL to claim to belong to God through Christ... prefer such "drink" as well!

Peace to you all!

A slave of Christ,

Shellamar

I hear you about it all, I feel the same way. I haven't watched or listened to many of their "talks" bit once in awhile I do and I cringe every time. I could not finish this one his message and voice were like poisoned arrows.

Love and shunning do not go together, they are so messed up in their thinking.

SO TRUE!!!

To everything said!

A family member said they heard abut this and was going to call me yesterday. Just sent this to her with both of your responses and one from me. Well see what she says about it.

Thanks for the share
Love Justmom

That's a very good point. True, too. I can't watch either, it depresses me so much knowing some of my kids are listening to and obeying this.

Loz x

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"This is my son. LISTEN to Him!"

I totally agree with everything that's been said above.

I can't listen to, watch or read anything of theirs. I know some people keep literature for reference after they've left. I couldn't. I threw away every scrap...or thought I had. I keep finding the occasional leaflet or even flyer lurking in a bag or drawer somewhere!

The hardest thing to get rid of was the NWT Bible. I thought I couldn't throw away a Bible, even their translation. But then I realised that they themselves had used the Bible for their own propaganda, and turned it into just one more manipulative tool for themselves.

Out to the bin it went!

Ironically, the NWT Reference Bible is perhaps the ONLY "good" thing that has come out of the WTBTS publishing company, dear Char (peace to you!). There are errors, of course, as with ALL Bibles, no matter the canonizers/translators; however, the NWT Reference is actually one of, if not the best version out there. Not only does it contain a very good concordance, but there is a LOT of literal interpretation, language, and authentification in the footnotes (including which codices, lexicons, and/or other Bible versions, etc., were used in research, which can lead to even more information).

Some may not realize this being familiar with only their smaller black (or green or burgundy) versions (which are among the WORSE versions ever published), but if one can get hold of the larger brown one, it really can be quite helpful, if not illuminating as to a great many things, including what the WTBTS itself really is.

Peace!

A slave of Christ,

Shellamar

Agreed!!!

The references and literal words and concordance has been helpful especially when trying to help new ones just leaving that still don't trust using just any translation. I have that with a couple family members right now. Very helpful!

Justmom

Cedars, thank you for making the video. Let the word spread far and wide!

Yes, he got that right! So why must the Watchower Society insist on it happening?

They know what pain they are causing, he admits it!

Behind only the suicide-by-blood-doctrine loyalty test!

So should the alienated family members be denied comfort, should they be denied help?

That is admitting to the use of emotional blackmail.

The Disfellowshipping Arrangement is a blame game. Its basic philosophy is to blame the persecuted pariah for actions of the organization and those who follow their commandments.

Yes, why don't they do that instead of deliberately tearing families asunder? Even if the disfellowshipped person does yield to the psychological abuse and returns to the organization, the scars will remain, the memories will never be completely erased.

Why not? Only because the Watchtower Society says so!

Well said, the elders should take that advice and leave matters between the sinner and God.
"Never pay back evil with evil, but bear in mind the ideals that all regard with respect. As much as possible, and to the utmost of your ability, be at peace with everyone. Never try to get revenge: leave that, my dear friends, to the Retribution. As scripture says: 'Vengeance is mine -- I will pay them back', the Lord promises. And more: If your enemy is hungry, give him something to eat; if thirsty, something to drink. By this, you will be heaping red-hot coals on his head. Do not be mastered by evil, but master evil with good. " [Romans 12:18-21]

(1) This is an unlikely scenario. It is not a typical reaction to emotional pain.
(2) Loyal to whom: God, or the Governing Body?
(3) Was not their heart cut deeply, deliberately, by the people they loved most?

With the unspoken message "Let this be a warning to you, Weak Ones"!

(1) ... a son, or a daughter, or the Governing Body of the Watchtower Society ...
(2) Even if we don't, we still are not worthy of Him. Nobody is worthy of Him, we are saved through the gift of grace, a gift we could never match, a gift we could never deserve, a gift we can only thank Him for by emulating His kindness to all, even "the least of these."

Yes, follow Jesus' lead when dealing with the sinners in your midst:

"Now while he was at table in the house it happened that a number of tax collectors and sinners came to sit at the table with Jesus and his disciples. When the Pharisees saw this, they said to his disciples, 'Why does your master eat with tax collectors and sinners?' When he heard this he replied, 'It is not the healthy who need the doctor, but the sick. Go and learn the meaning of the words: Mercy is what pleases me, not sacrifice. And indeed I came to call not the upright, but sinners.' " [Matthew 9:10-13]

"Be compassionate just as your Father is compassionate. Do not judge, and you will not be judged; do not condemn, and you will not be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven." [Luke 6:36-37]

"As they persisted with their question, he straightened up and said, 'Let the one among you who is guiltless be the first to throw a stone at her. Then he bent down and continued writing on the ground. When they heard this they went away one by one, beginning with the eldest, until the last one had gone and Jesus was left alone with the woman, who remained in the middle. Jesus again straightened up and said, 'Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?' 'No one, sir,' she replied. 'Neither do I condemn you,' said Jesus. 'Go away, and from this moment sin no more.' " [John 8:7-11]

Well said GLT, well said.

Loz x

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"This is my son. LISTEN to Him!"

I can only echo what Loz said.

It occurs to me too that this organisation suffers collectively from the same mental disease of which it accuses any of its dissenting followers. It exhibits all the signs of being inherently psychopathic.

Great review of the "talk" GLtirebiter, thank you. That "leave the matter in Jehovah's hands" is their favorite saying isn't it. To bad they wouldn't wait on him sometimes.

STILL made me feel a little sick, dear GLT (peace to you!), even via your quotes! LOLOLOL! But your comments are right on. This:



YES! The ONLY reason they should want to "come back" would be return to God and Christ. Since neither are there... and that harlot KNOWS it... "she" plays on her members emotions, both questioning their "love" of "Jehovah" (as to the DF'd one and their family)... and fomenting her own kind of hate. Sick, twisted "sister," that particular "daughter."

Thanks for your comments and, again, peace to you!

Your servant and a slave of Christ,

Shellamar

I can so understand what goes on inside ones self upon viewing and/ or reading anything the WTBTS puts out. I also, now understand, how it can affect many individuals in many dynamic ways. And that some react to it with more emotions, due to individual experiences.

For me, back in the day of my activism, I had to read and view it all, in order to know how it operated and functioned; as a child I knew none of what I learned as an "apostate". And when I did, it sent me into oblivion for a very long time. I could not believe what I was gaining as "accurate knowledge" of what jws were truly about; doctrines, policies, regulations, etc. I recall saying to myself at one point: how did she ever fall for this crap?? how could she not see how insane it all was? how can she say truthfully that she has "examined it and i know its jehovahs org"? Yet, I had to read and watch and learn so that I could activate against them accordingly.

lol! I've got two of their books right here next to me: Organized to accomplish the ministry and knowledge that leads to everlasting life (wasnt the TRUTH BOOK blue (this is red)and had ETERNAL?). Guess what chapter I'm brushing up on, (as I read it years ago when my daughter found them at a yard or thrift store, i cant recall where she found them.)...
When difficulties arise; not overlooking serious wrongs, pg142 organized to accomplish book.

Just imagine the children having to keep reading and watchting all this WTBTS stuff. That is where we need to have a moment of silence. As they continue to fight for their own fereedom to live life as a productive, useful human being. BLESS THEM, SHALL WE?

~s-Kally~

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"I am proud to say that I will not lift one finger ( except my middle finger) for the WTBTS."

I actually had a great big hardback Reference Bible, as they called it, Shel. They gave me that because it required that to get me as interested and involved as I admittedly was. Yes, I was fascinated by the depth of the notes and information at the back.

But I got rid of that along with the rest, and yes, I resisted doing so for very many months. But at the end of the day it served only to reinforce their own teachings and their own slanted interpretation, and I made myself throw it out. Once I'd done so, along with the other hardback books I had, I felt altogether lighter and freer. I compared it with the other huge Biblical concordance on my shelves, and other Biblical references and theological writings and commentaries, not all Catholic by any means.

In fact, the large hardback NWT Reference Bible is just another part of what I came to see as the Great Deception. A propaganda tool. It's only pseudo-scholarly, at best. Not the scholastic work or true research and reference that it pretends to be, and it contributes to the value that the poor mesmerised JW's put on the very cult in which they are held by ruthless deception and psychological and emotional manipulation.