xjwsforChrist

I can see from the Bible that preaching is a necessity, but should it be to the frenzied level WT makes it? WT constantly begs JWs to devote more and more time and energy to this "life saving work". Can we talk about this? I'm not sure what I'm asking for... more of an open discussion on the need to preach and the way preaching should take place.

I would like to respond, dear LQ (peace to you!). The WTBTS practice of going door to door and house to house is actually a misunderstanding of what took place during the time my Lord was here and shortly after. The first, door to door, is related to when my Lord sent out his disciples and told them to go and search for those "deserving." The WTBTS deems those "deserving" as whoever is receptive to their message. But that is not who Christ meant. Then... and now.

The Greek word rendered by the WTBTS as "deserving" and by some other translations as "worthy"... is axios (Strong's G514). What is interesting about that word is it's ROOT word: agō. THAT word means:


1) to lead, take with one

a) to lead by laying hold of, and this way to bring to the point of destination: of an animal

b) to lead by accompanying to (into) a place

c) to lead with one's self, attach to one's self as an attendant

d) to conduct, bring

e) to lead away, to a court of justice, magistrate, etc.

2) to lead,

a) to lead, guide, direct

b) to lead through, conduct to: to something

c) to move, impel: of forces and influences on the mind

Christ said, "You didn't choose me; I chose you," and that he KNOWS who his sheep are. So the choosing isn't random, at ALL. Christ himself decides who is "deserving,"... and that decision is MANIFEST... by whom he LED (and even now leads) his disciples TO. And so he sent (and sends) them to SPECIFIC people... or sent/sends such people to them. Four really good examples are (1) the Ethiopian eunuch (to whom Philip was specifically sent); (2) Cornelius (to whom Peter was specifically sent); (3) Saul of Tarsus (who was specifically sent to Ananias); and (4) Apollos (to whom Priscilla and Aquilla were sent). That is how it WORKS.

And so, contrary to the WTBTS' false propaganda, one being "deserving" has absolutely nothing to do with whether they respond to the WTBTS message. They respond... to CHRIST'S message... which is spoken THROUGH his Body by means of holy spirit. And they don't REJECT the message ("My sheep know my voice" and "I have other sheep I must bring and they too will listen to my voice"). So, when he sent them out, HE knew to whom they would go. Whether he was with them in body OR spirit... HE told them which houses to go to. And... LIKE the Eunuch, LIKE Saul, LIKE Cornelius, LIKE Apollos... such ones HEAR his call... LISTEN... and COME!

(For ones who might say, "Well, now, wait... I thought we're only supposed to listen to Christ, what do you mean 'his message spoken through his Body'?"... remember, "the Spirit AND THE BRIDE say 'Come!" They BOTH say "Come!" so as to TAKE 'life's water'... AFTER which, by MEANS of that "water"... holy spirit... they will be taught by Christ himself. I digress.)

As for going "house to house", the WTBTS bases that one on another erroneous understanding, Paul's words to the Body when he was signing off (he was going to prison in Rome where he was to be executed at some point and so knew he wouldn't see most of them again). In his good-bye greeting he reminded them that he hadn't held back from sharing with them, either publicly or from house to house, any of the beneficial things that had been shared with HIM. By "publicly," he meant when he would speak in the market places, Areopagus, synagogues, etc., and by "house to house" he meant THEIR houses, as he would stay with different families while he traveled and many would come there to hear him speak. The Body could not MEET publicly, because of the opposition of the Jews... and so they met in private houses, wherever the Apostles, Paul, and their companions where staying.

I hope this helps and, again, peace to you!

Your servant and a slave of Christ,

Shellama

Thanks so much for that Shelby; makes so much sense.

This adage is attributed to St. Francis: "Always preach the Gospel, using words when necessary." The point is that living a Christian life is a more effective witness than mere words could ever be. If you are not leading by example, the words you preach will fall on deaf ears. You don't have to be perfect, nobody is, only to live in a way that inspires others to think "I should be like that!" That is what Francis did, that is what Paul did, that is what the evangelists did. A life, well lived, can be contagious. That is effective preaching!

Superb post, GL!

Watchtower-type door to door preaching is counter-productive, in any case, quite apart from the falseness of the message they're bringing. JW's are universally seen not as welcome news-bringers but as a thoroughly pestilential nuisance.

The very word Jehovah's Witnesses makes people both shudder and laugh.

We preach with our life and actions and we give account with our words.
Actions speak louder than words and that is SO TRUE
Allow me to be a bit prideful for a bit:
I have been asked at times, "how are you like this?"
Like what I ask?
So optimistic, full of love, easy going, happy and always so hopeful?
*at times it surprises me because I was NOT always like that, far from it to be honest*
That is when I "preach" BUT experience has taught me to understand that people don't like to be preached to, very often they "tune out" when they hear things like "born again", "God loves me", "Christ loves me" etc, etc.
So what do I say?
Years ago I realized how loved I am and how blessed I am and realized that if I am not happy with what I have, I am sad, so...my choices were to be happy and appreciate the many gifts I have been given or to bitch and complain about what I don't have. The choice was easy.

From there, IF they are interested, I have noticed with further talk I can speak about finding Christ and How that made me understand and appreciate love, being loved and loving others.

In short, I agree wholeheartedly:
Actions first, words second.

Morning and peace to you ALL! I must agree, actions are VERY important, as faith WITHOUT works... IS dead. One must walk the talk, yes? And Paul had a lot to say about love, didn't he, including that without love one can sound like a clashing symbol. And that makes sense. What, though, about "works" that show a love of GOD... and Christ? Should these not come FIRST? For instance:

"Therefore go and make disciples of all nations... teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you.” Matthew 28:19

In his letter to the Romans, which was written AFTER his letter to the Corinthians (wherein he commented as to both judging AND love, a real dichotomy and one that understandably causes some to be greatly confused as to "God" and the Bible), Paul wrote:

"But what does it say? “The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,” that is, the message concerning faith that we proclaim: If you declare with your mouth, “[Jesus] is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, but it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved. As Scripture says, “Anyone who believes in him will never be put to shame.” For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them? And how can anyone preach unless they are sent? As it is written: “How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!” Romans 10:9-15

And this, from Lazarus ("John"):

"Through [Jesus], therefore, let us continually offer to God a sacrifice of praise—the fruit of lips that openly profess his name. But do not forget to do good and to share with others, for with such sacrifices God is pleased." Hebrews 13:15


What of those things? And those are only a few verses.

None of us can deny that how JWs APPEAR is a huge reason why many JOIN them: their appearance and actions LOOK "godly": how they dress, how they're organized, how they comport themselves... publicly. We also know that it's all a ruse, too, though, don't we? Perhaps not INTENTIONALLY by most members, of course, no. But because it is NOT born of holy spirit... but of self-assuming haughtiness that leads to self-righteousness... it is a FORM of "godly devotion" that proves FALSE to the power OF holy spirit. Even so, if they WEREN'T false and hypocritical BEHIND the scenes, so many MORE would join... and so many few would leave.

What is occurring in the world, though, is what Paul wrote to Timothy when encouraging the younger man to not give up with HIS ministry:

"... I give you this charge: Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage—with great patience and careful instruction. For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths. But you, keep your head in all situations, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, discharge all the duties of your ministry." 2 Timothy 4:1-5


Three (3) things have caused the phenomenon you dear ones are speaking of here, where actions MUST speak louder than words:

1. The FALSE teachings of the FALSE prophets and FALSE christs (anointed)... which has undermined the trust of MANY... and so led to the great apostasy FROM the MOST HOLY One of Israel, JAH of Armies, by Israel and those who profess to belong to Christ (but do not);

2. The lack of desire by most to be able the HANDLE the truth and so not want to HEAR it, but instead want to hear what they want to hear... so as to have their ears scratched/tickled; and

3. The love... OF the greater number (of those professing to love God/Christ)... cooling off. The love of/for WHAT? Others of mankind? No. The love of GOD... manifested in the love of CHRIST... AND neighbor, including one's own flesh (spouse/children), brother, strangers... and enemies. They have a FORM of "godly devotion"... but prove FALSE to its power. Because the power of TRUE godly devotion... is by means... of holy spirit... because it is a FRUIT of that spirit... which these do not HAVE. Hence, they are LUKEWARM: not hot in their love for JAH and Christ... yet not cold (i.e., having utterly denied it, as some have/do).

So what we see in the world TODAY... is a "form of godly devotion": "preaching work/field service," pious conduct and judgment, "faithful" church/meeting attendance, ritualistic formalities, even attire. All designed to SPEAK (FOR one) as to their devotion... but all proving false to the power of holy spirit! Because neither holy spirit, the Holy Spirit (Christ), or God Himself... require such.

What DO these require? Christ TOLD us and David wrote it down for us just in case we COULDN'T hear the Spirit (of Christ) TELL us later:

"Sacrifice and offering you did not desire—
but my ears you have opened" Psalm 40:6


Unfortunately, what is occurring today... and has actually been occurring since shortly after the last Apostle's death... which is why we HAVE religion... is that folks are "serving God" how THEY wish to... and not how His SON said to. Indeed, I myself can attest that most don't WANT to hear how the SON said to worship God: in SPIRIT... and the TRUTH. Rather, they are creating all manner of religions, etc., that suit THEIR desires, customized to rid them of what they DON'T want to do, while fomenting what they DO want to do (camping trips, retreats, youth groups, bands/choirs, theatrical productions, matchmaking, book and literature publishing, television and radio productions... and ALL manner of things)... and calling it "serving God." Yet, the very things that Christ said to doo... they do NOT do, including eating his flesh and drinking his blood... washing one another's feet... praying for one's enemies... and more.

One of the most important things that God Himself said, though, and His Son REITERATED was this:

"This is my Son, the Beloved. LISTEN TO HIM ." Matthew 17:5

And so Christ said that HIS sheep would LISTEN to HIS voice. How many, though, DENY that truth, as to what he meant... and what to DO? Deny not only for themselves... but for and as to OTHERS? Yet, they CLAIM they "belong" to Christ. Christ said, "Why do you call me 'Lord, Lord' but DO NOT DO the things I say?"

If the MOST HOLY One of Israel, JAH of Armies said to LISTEN to His Son... and that Son said HIS sheep would LISTEN to his voice... yet, you are NOT listening... nothing else you do really matters. NOT for those professing to be in union with and belong to Christ. If you are IGNORING the very One you CLAIM to follow... then you're not only fooling others, but fooling yourself.

If you ARE listening... then you will HEAR as to whom to preach to. And again, you are either sent (led) to THEM... or they to you. When you/they ARE... then you should OBEY... and TELL them what you are given to tell them... rather than BEG OFF:

“What I tell you in the dark, speak in the daylight; what is whispered in your ear, proclaim from the roofs. Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell. Are not two sparrows sold for a penny? Yet not one of them will fall to the ground outside your Father’s care. 30 And even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. So don’t be afraid; you are worth more than many sparrows.

“Whoever acknowledges me before others, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven. But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven.

“Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn

“‘a man against his father,
a daughter against her mother,
a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law—
a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.’

“Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. Whoever does not take up their pole and follow me is not worthy of me. Whoever finds their life will lose it, and whoever loses their life for my sake will find it." Matthew 10:27-39

I dunno, dear ones, I dunno. I think the words of Samuel are what we should consider when wondering about preaching:

"To OBEY... is BETTER than sacrifice." 1 Samuel 15:22

I hope this helps.

Peace to you ALL!

Servant to the Household of God, Israel, and ALL those who go with... and a slave of Christ,

Shellama

Unfortunately, what is occurring today... and has actually been occurring since shortly after the last Apostle's death... which is why we HAVE religion... is that folks are "serving God" how THEY wish to... and not how His SON said to. Indeed, I myself can attest that most don't WANT to hear how the SON said to worship God: in SPIRIT... and the TRUTH. Rather, they are creating all manner of religions, etc., that suit THEIR desires, customized to rid them of what they DON'T want to do, while fomenting what they DO want to do (camping trips, retreats, youth groups, bands/choirs, theatrical productions, matchmaking, book and literature publishing, television and radio productions... and ALL manner of things)... and calling it "serving God." Yet, the very things that Christ said to doo... they do NOT do, including eating his flesh and drinking his blood... washing one another's feet... praying for one's enemies... and more.


Yes and unfortunately these are the same ones that are saying, " Actions speak louder than words."

" look at US....look at what what we DO....look how many of US there is"....

More proving to have this " form of godly devotion" is why when they stand before Christ in Matthew 25 they will be confused as to the " ...

DIDN'T WE DO THIS AND THAT IN YOUR NAME"...?

And He says " get away from me, I NEVER knew you."


Thank you
Love Justmom

And who do you mean by "they" and "them", justmom?

Are you so very sure that you will not be among those to whom Jesus says "get away from me".

Do you think he is REALLY the voice in your head?

Not sure if you all know this, but I am still a JW. At this point, it's all background noise as I have come to realize how... what's the word... pharisaical they are. They say they have "the truth", but they overlook (a) the weightier matters, and (b) Christ himself. They attribute to "Jehovah" things Christ did, said, and will do (e.g. "Jehovah will judge"... whereas Christ said his Father committed the judging to himself.) I am still IN because I have family in. I am fully aware that at some point, I must get OUT, and to do so, I will likely lose my family.

Oh, wow... as I typed that last sentence, this *thought* (there it is again) popped into my head: "Let the dead bury their dead". Yeah, I get it.

Back to my point... being a JW is ALL ABOUT preaching. It's what the religion exists to do. Matt 28:19,20 are among the most quoted verses in the Bible. However, recently, I came across a verse that actually talks about what Jesus meant.



JWs do NOT preach this. JWs preach every topic under the sun BUT this. How is distributing invitations to a convention PREACHING? How is handing out a magazine talking about domestic violence PREACHING? JWs say they now not only preach "the good news of the kingdom", but also a warning message. I pondered this recently: how do JWs actually warn people? They don't. They can't. People who say "I'm not interested" and shut their doors NEVER HEAR THE WARNING. It's actually a ridiculous thought to say that they've been warning people for 100 years. If they were truly wanting to warn people, they would be on the radio, on TV, in newspapers, IN FRONT OF PEOPLE, doing as Isaiah was told to do: "Call out full-throated; do not hold back. Raise your voice just like a horn, and tell my people their revolt, and the house of Jacob their sins." (Isa 58:1), not shuffling their feet from door to door only looking for agreeable ones.

I'm ranting. I'm angry about it because JWs view as apostates those who "do not do as Christ commands", which in their viewpoint is the preaching. However, THEY do not do all the things Christ commands, which includes taking care of the poor, the needy, showing love. They show a form of love to each other, but only on rare occasions to anyone else. This has become something distasteful to me.

But, back to preaching. I have come to realize that preaching is important. But WHAT is to be preached? And HOW is it to be done?
The WHAT is simple: "the good news about the Christ" (which, BTW, appears more often than "the good news of the kingdom" in the Bible, but both are really one and the same).
The HOW is not so simple. Door to door? Seems ineffective. So, how?

I once asked a "preacher" what if his preaching turns people from God and Christ?
He said:
If they are turned, they were never His.
Of course he was a Calvinist so...

I don't believe that.

Yes, I believe that Christ draws US to certain people and them to Us BUT at the same time, His warning to us is clear: Do not cause others to stumble by how we act and preach.

The gospel does NOT change and ALL life is in Christ and ONLY Christ and that must be made clear BUT it must be done with love and tenderness.
Of course there is a time to let a person go for, as God says to Us, we say to them: Thy will be done.

We must practice what we preach and forgiveness and love are paramount:

Luke 17:1-4
And he said to his disciples, “Temptations to sin are sure to come, but woe to the one through whom they come! It would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck and he were cast into the sea than that he should cause one of these little ones to sin. Pay attention to yourselves! If your brother sins, rebuke him, and if he repents, forgive him, and if he sins against you seven times in the day, and turns to you seven times, saying, ‘I repent,’ you must forgive him.

Mark 9:38-50 ESV
John said to him, “Teacher, we saw someone casting out demons in your name, and we tried to stop him, because he was not following us.” But Jesus said, “Do not stop him, for no one who does a mighty work in my name will be able soon afterward to speak evil of me. For the one who is not against us is for us. For truly, I say to you, whoever gives you a cup of water to drink because you belong to Christ will by no means lose his reward. “Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him if a great millstone were hung around his neck and he were thrown into the sea. .

Dear LQ. ..
I do understand. I left father, mother, brother, sister inside as well.

But the love of Jah allowed my husband and I to see together. Our sons followed as they were young (expected) but because our love never changed or ceased with THEM even when their own grandparents and all their family shut them out as well because of us, they came to understand that the division was NOT because of US but because of following Christ. They ( the family inside ) would NOT accept the fact that we disagreed now with the WTBS. As this is their golden calf!


LQ said....

Oh, wow... as I typed that last sentence, this *thought* (there it is again) popped into my head: "Let the dead bury their dead". Yeah, I get it.


Yes my brother. Our Lord told me the exact same words when he called me out of that organization.
It is not what we want in that to leave them behind, but they are making their choice to stay back inside of that harlot and reap the outcome. We give them over to Jah and his mercy. We continually pray for them and remember Joseph and Rahab and how by just ONE they was able to save their households.

This is how I was able to " Let Go, let God!"


As to your question of " HOW".....

You will know. Ask him to use you and you will be used I promise.
Continue to listen to this voice ( the one that pops inside your head LOLOLOL)
He will guide and direct your every step. Ask him to send the helper the Holy Spirit, to help you with your ministry. Listen to him! Ask him to open your hears and eyes so as to see and hear him when he speaks.

Ask for the true living water, Holy Spirit, that is FREE!!!

Love to you always
Justmom

RE: Let the dead bury their dead.

Whenever I read that passage it always bothered me why Christ would say such a cruel thing, especially being jewish in a culture that took care of their dead.

I asked and was told that the man was only making excuses so as to NOT follow Christ.
It wasn't a rude or callus comment, it was a challenge to a young man that was making excuses NOT to serve God by following Christ.

It is important to understand the cultural context of what it meant to decide to follow someone like Jesus, an wondering rabbi, perhaps even one making claims of Messiahship and performing "god like miracles".
You just don't offer to follow someone like that and add a "but first..."

As for HOW, dear LQ (peace to you, dear one!), this:

1. Tell others of the GOOD news of the kingdom. That GOOD news... is Christ. HE is the good news of the kingdom because by means of HIM... any who wish can receive the promised holy spirit... the "water of life" that can bubble UP in one TO IMPART EVERLASTING LIFE. HE... is the "Amen"... the "YES".

2. But one can't tell OF one they DON'T KNOW. And so, one must come to KNOW Christ so as to KNOW God ("THIS means everlasting life, their KNOWING you... and the One you sent").

3. In TELLING of that One, however, one must tell THE TRUTH. But again, one can't TELL the TRUTH about another... if one doesn't KNOW the other... OR the truth ABOUT that other.

4. So, to even start... one must WANT to KNOW... the TRUTH, themselves!!

That really is it.

Dear P, I have to comment to this, dear brother (peace to you!):



Not quite, dear one. He meant do not INTENTIONALLY stumble others (i.e., LEAD them to stumble). Stumble over WHAT? HIM, dear one! HE is the "stone of stumbling." And when people preach and teach LIES... they cause others to stumble OVER Christ. So that they fall... and do not get up again. Like those kids in that article you shared. But not only do we ALL stumble... MANY times... but HIS words caused MANY to stumble, LITERALLY:

"Then they said to Him, “What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?”

"[Jesus] answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.”

"Therefore they said to Him, “What sign will You perform then, that we may see it and believe You? What work will You do? Our fathers ate the manna in the desert; as it is written, ‘He gave them bread from heaven to eat.’”

"Then [Jesus] said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, Moses did not give you the bread from heaven, but My Father gives you the true bread from heaven. For the bread of God is He who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.”

"Then they said to Him, “Lord, give us this bread always.”

"And [Jesus] said to them, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst. But I said to you that you have seen Me and yet do not believe. All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out. For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day. And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”

"The Jews then complained about Him, because He said, “I am the bread which came down from heaven.” And they said, “Is not this [Jesus], the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How is it then that He says, ‘I have come down from heaven’?”

"[Jesus] therefore answered and said to them, “Do not murmur among yourselves. No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day. It is written in the prophets, ‘And they shall all be taught by God.’ Therefore everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me. Not that anyone has seen the Father, except He who is from God; He has seen the Father. Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life.

"I am the bread of life. Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and are dead. This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that one may eat of it and not die. I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread that I shall give is My flesh, which I shall give for the life of the world.”

"The Jews therefore quarreled among themselves, saying, “How can this Man give us His flesh to eat?”

"Then [Jesus] said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For My flesh is food indeed, and My blood is drink indeed. He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him. As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who feeds on Me will live because of Me. This is the bread which came down from heaven—not as your fathers ate the manna, and are dead. He who eats this bread will live forever.”

"These things He said in the synagogue as He taught in Capernaum.

"Therefore many of His disciples, when they heard this, said, “This is a hard saying; who can understand it?”

"When [Jesus] knew in Himself that His disciples complained about this, He said to them, “Does this offend you? What then if you should see the Son of Man ascend where He was before? It is the spirit that gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life. But there are some of you who do not believe.” For [Jesus] knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who would betray Him. And He said, “Therefore I have said to you that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father.”

"From that time many of His disciples went back and walked with Him no more."

John 6:28-66

We can know ABOUT God and Christ... or we can KNOW God... THROUGH knowing Christ.

I am reminded by my Lord of the following and wish to share it with you dear ones, as it evoked GREAT emotion in me just now:

"Then those who feared JaHVeH talked with each other, and JaHVeH listened and heard. And a scroll of remembrance was written in His presence concerning those who feared JaHVeH and honored His name.

“On the day when I act,” says JaHVeH Almighty, “they will be my treasured possession. I will spare them, just as a father has compassion and spares his son who serves him[/b]. And you will again see the distinction between the righteous and the wicked, between those who serve God and those who do not." Malachi 3:16-18

Some more things to perhaps make one go "hmmmmmmm..."

Again, peace to you, all!

A slave of Christ,

Shellama

Stumble intentionally, yes, quite correct.

I have no doubt that many were stumbled By His words, but NOT because of Him, but because they refused to believe and what it mean IF they DID believe.