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I have to get ready for work... naturally, lol... because there is much that I am being directed by my Lord that I should share, and so that is what i would rather be doing.

So just a quick run-down;

Char, it was you who called the Holy Spirit, 'it', and your words are what I was making reference to:




Testing the spirits (including what they say and so teach you or another person to say) is not the same as putting God to the test.

So no, I did not ignore His words at all.


And yes, the Holy Spirit DOES teach a person what to say. You said above that 'it' does not, but HE does. And Christ, as the Spirit, IS the one who taught Paul. We have that example to look at, even if we do not have a correct understanding of greek and translation.

peace,
tammy

This is TRUE (peace to you all!): Christ... is that Word... and "breath." AS dear Tec (peace to you!) explained:



How do we know? This:

"Let US make man..."

And this:

"I... am the life."

And this:

"That he may not put out his hand eat... from the Tree of LIFE... and live... forever."

And this:

"I am the True Vine."

And this:

"Unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man... you have NO life within yourselves..."

And this:

"Man does not live by bread alone, but by the WORD... that came forth from the mouth of God."

And this:

"I... am the bread from heaven... that which ANYONE may eat of... and NOT DIE..."

And this:

"The Word was with God..."

And this:

"The Word... BECAME FLESH."

And this:

"He has a name: the Word of God."

And this:

"ALL things are revealed... IN HIM.."

And this:

[color=#0000FF]"HE is the IMAGE of the invisible God, the firstborn of ALL creation; because BY MEANS OF HIM... ALL things were created... in heaven AND on earth, the things VISIBLE... AND invisible..."

And...

"ALL things have been created THROUGH him..."

And...

"BY MEANS OF HIM... ALL things were made to exist."

Including... Adham.

HE... IS the resurrection... AND the life. NO ONE lives... including Adham... except by means of him. He is the "tool" JAH used... to bring forth ALL other things. Including... Adham... and the life IN Adham.

ALL life came into existence by means of, through, and because of that One, the HOLY ONE of Israel, JAHESHUA, the Chosen One of JAH (MischaJah). Not ONE thing came into existence without him. Not even Adham. And not one thing came to LIFE... without him. Not even Adham.

In that Light (pun intended), I had rather pleasing discussion with my Lord this morning, dear ones... which I had planned to share earlier but got caught up in sharing what I had to with another here earlier and forgot. And I have just now been reminded of it, however, in commenting as I did above. I had quite a restless night, partly because of this matter, Christ the Holy Spirit... versus the teachings of another "wind" (spirit), the Holy Spirit as a "third" person. Although I know MOST here see the error, not all. And so I had asked HOW I could explain it to those of his Body... or those coming to him so as to BE of that Body... so that they would GET it... and not get caught up in such other "winds" (or spirits) of teachings. His response was sublime. Early this morning he came and said to me:

"Did I not tell you, child, that I and the Father are one? If there were another person, would I have not told you? Would I have not said, "I and the Father AND "the Holy Spirit" are one? When Lazarus wrote that I was with the Father, did he write that I was with the Father AND "the Holy Spirit"? And when I asked the Father to glorify me... with the glory I had when I was WITH him, did I ask that I be glorified with the glory I had when I was with him AND "the Holy Spirit"? Why would we have left out such a important person? You know what I have told you child. Remain in what you have heard from me... and continue to the sayings of MY mouth to those I send you to."

Of course, as always, each one must choose for himself/herself what they will believe and who they will listen to. You all well know, however, contrary to what some might wish to say, there is only ONE you should listen to: the HOLY ONE of Israel, JAHESHUA, the Chosen One of JAH (MischaJah). While I might be able to share what he gives me WITH you, it is not MY voice that you should listen to. Any more than you would have ME listen to YOUR voice. You know who you are... and who your Leader, Teacher, Guide, and Shepherd is. The Beloved Son of God. Listen to him, for in listening to HIM, you are listening to God Himself.

As always, peace to you!

YSSFS of Christ,

Shellama

Amen.

He has been saying the same to me... to remain in Him, and in what He has taught me.


Peace,
tammy

Au contrare, dear, dear P (again, peace to you!). As James said, "Faith WITHOUT works... is dead." So, what can... MUST we do?

As to those of his Body -

"THIS means everlasting life, their KNOWING you, the True God, AND the One whom you sent forth."

"He that eats my flesh and drinks my blood has everlasting life and I will resurrect him..."

"UNLESS you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have NO life in yourselves."

"To the extent you show mercy you will be shown mercy and to the extent you forgive you will be forgiven. Go, then, SHOWING MERCY and FREELY FORGVIING.

As for those who are of his Body AND those who are NOT -

"Come, inherit the kingdom prepared for you... for I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, a stranger and you received me hospitably, naked and you clothed me, sick and you looked after me, in prison and you came to me."

So, yes, dear one, folks DO have to "do something." However, my Lord DID say that HIS yoke was KINDLY and HIS load light. So they are not BURDENSOME, these things, but REFRESHING. For their IS more happiness in GIVING than in RECEIVING.

Even so, that we DO these things doesn't necessarily put us in line for a REWARD... because we should DO them, regardless ("Good for nothing servant, what you did is what you OUGHT to have done!"). We should HOPE we receive life as a result. Which is why the life we receive... IS A GIFT.

What, though, of those who do NOT do such things? You yourself posted about the "eternal punishment," these receive, yes? If those who do NOT do such things receive that end... then surely, folks would want to DO such things, yes, and receive the inheritance?

[Although, I promise you, dear one - it is not eternal punishment they receive. What they "receive" is eternal cutting OFF... from the Tree of Life. FROM life... and so are not able to "eat" from him. As a result, they are "lopped OFF"... and thrown into the fire... where they are completely burned up... not tormented eternally. And I must say, that for all of the "God's loves us all" going around, how those who believe THAT, yet believes in a place called "Hell" where God torments folks eternally... doesn't make sense. Either He IS loving... or He is meanly vengeful. Punishing for His OWN enjoyment... and not the avenging of the blood of His chosen ones. Because I cannot imagine a single one OF those Chosen Ones wanting ANYONE to be tormented... by fire... eternally. It's not merciful... and Christ teaches us to BE merciful. So, ya'll might wanna try and reconcile that dichotomy/contradiction. Because it's "math" doesn't accurately add up.]

I hope this helps and, again, peace to you, all!

YSSFS of Christ,

Shellama

I must second that AMEN my sisters in CHRIST!

..." Why would I have left out such an important person child?"...

Love...which Jah and Christ ARE... would NEVER do this. It is because this third entity does not exist and never has.

1 Corinthians 8:5&6

" For even though there are those who are " gods", whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many " gods" and many Lords"... there is actually to US....ONE God, the father,[/u] out of whom ALL THINGS ARE, and we for him, and there is ONE LORD, Jesus Christ, through whom ALL THINGS ARE, and we through him. "


And this is where may faith rests!


Love and peace to you all always
Justmom

Such a simple concept, dear 'Mom! THANK you for posting that and...

PEACE to you!

YSSFS of Christ,

Shellama

Sab....

I am not sure the point you are trying to get through in this serpent/ genesis/ story.
I have no problem believing that a serpent/ dragon identified as our adversary, Satan in revelation CAN and DID communicate in Eden with Eve. He is a spirit. Spirits communicate with other spirits.

They can communicate with US as HUMANS by communicating/ speaking to our spirit inside of us.
This is why we are told " to test every inspired ( spirit ) utterance"...( that speaks to us)

I do not believe the Eden account to be a myth or fairytale.

You made a statement and I have no idea why, that a mouse would not have spoken as it would have not been able " to pull it off"... What the serpent was able to do. What does that have to do with anything? Jah can use whoever and whatever he chooses to speak on his behalf if need be. He used an ASS with Baalam. In this case it was a serpent/ dragon because that is what satan IS. He is a Seraph and that is what Seraphs look like.

You say ...like you know me that... "I do not feel like I am worthy of life" and that people like me " who do not forgive themselves miss the first steps to salvation."

Sab, you don't know much about me. But my Lord does thankfully. It is him who I concern myself with. He found me and led me out of the WTBS. I was very similar to Paul formerly Saul.
I did not question the WTBS, and was perfectly willing to put people to death, and DID...spiritually (disfellowshipping) and physically (waiting for everyone else to die at Armageddon but JWs) I was
" craving the day of Jehovah."

I left EVERYTHING for him in a matter of a couple of weeks. He stopped me in my tracks, opened my eyes and allowed me to see the WTBS for what was. My worthiness is because of HIM and HIM only!
All my family I left inside when he told me, " He that has greater love for father, mother, brother and sister than FOR ME....was not WORTHY of me."

And I did leave them for Him! And he has NEVER left me since. I have been distracted many times, but it is not HIM that has abandoned ME. So I know where my salvation comes from. No one else but CHRIST is who I must listen to and follow. And again...This is where my faith lies!!!

Again, love to you always
Justmom

I didn't decide such, dear Char (peace to you!). Neither Christ, the Holy Spirit, NOR God's holy spirit can dwell/reside in an unclean vessel. Hence, the admonition to "CLEANSE the 'inside' of the cup". So that Christ, the Holy Spirit... AND God's spirit COULD enter and dwell. John 14:23; Romans 8:9, 10

When the inside of the vessel became UNCLEAN, the MOST HOLY One of Israel, JAH of Armies, would REMOVE HIS spirit... and allow a BAD spirit. You do recall what occurred with King Saul... and Judas Iscariot... yes? Maybe not, though. Maybe your teachers forgot to tell you of those accounts.



(Shaking head). Yes. Choose God... or choose the His enemy, Death. Choose good... or choose bad. Choose blessing... or choose malediction. Choose light... or choose darkness. Choose Christ... or choose Beli'Jah'El. Choose life... or choose death. When one CHOOSES Death, bad, malediction, darkness, Beli'Jah'El, death... one REJECTS God's spirit... so that it is REMOVED. And what happens then? What spirit is in such one(s) THEN? Wait... maybe your teachers forgot to tell you about that, as well.

The insinuation was that God's spirit was IN all those who perished in the Flood. In which case, it was GOD'S spirit that led them to choose Death, bad, malediction, darkness, Beli'Jah'El, death... yes? Rather that to choose God, good, blessing, light, Christ, life? But how can THAT be? That is saying that God's own SPIRIT chose Death, bad, malediction, darkness, Beli'Jah'El, death. Which exactly that OPPOSITE occurred: BECAUSE these chose Death, bad, malediction, darkness, Beli'Jah'El, death... JAH had NO CHOICE... BUT to remove His spirit.

C'mon, now, girl... surely you remember SOMETHING of what you read in the Jerusalem Bible...



He IS... and you have never heard me deny that! I've just denied that he is a "third" person, separate and in addition to God and Christ. Because he is not; he IS Christ.



Dear one, that isn't the Holy Spirit - that is the BREATH of holy spirit... that is BLOWN by JAH (Genesis 2:7)... or Christ (John 20:22). Where do you GET your understanding... if you don't hear Christ tell you, don't receive it through holy spirit by means of an anointing... and don't know it from what is written??????? Between these three you SHOULD know much... MUCH... more than you do.

Yet, you deny receiving from the first two (Christ voice or holy spirit)... and you ignore/overlook what is written (I mean, even if you wished to dispute the writing as inaccurate, but you don't even do that or offer an alternative. You simply go on what you've been taught... by men. Where is you LOYALTY to Christ, dear Char, such that you choose the voices of men (strangers) over his??

And there is no fear of the Lord. Perfect love casts ALL fear... OUTSIDE. And did you not read what my Lord said to those he appeared to? "Fear NOT!" So, this "fear of the Lord," thing... where is THAT from???



Oh, dear, that is a HUGE error, dear one. Because that spirit even directed Christ:

"The Spirit of the JaHVeH is ON me,
because JaHVeH has anointed me
to proclaim good news to the poor.
He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted,
to proclaim freedom for the captives
and release from darkness for the prisoners,[a]
to proclaim the year of JaHVeH's favor
and the day of vengeance of our God,
to comfort all who mourn,
and provide for those who grieve in Zion—
to bestow on them a crown of beauty
instead of ashes,
the oil of joy
instead of mourning,
and a garment of praise
instead of a spirit of despair." Isaiah 61:1

And, to corroborate:

He went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom. He stood up to read, and the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him. Unrolling it, he found the place where it is written:

“The Spirit of JaHVeH is ON me,
because he has anointed me
to proclaim good news to the poor.
He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners
and recovery of sight for the blind,
to set the oppressed free,
to proclaim the year of JaHVeH’s favor.”

Then he rolled up the scroll, gave it back to the attendant and sat down. The eyes of everyone in the synagogue were fastened on him. He began by saying to them, “Today this scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.” Luke 4:16-21

What about:

"Then Peter stood up with the Eleven, raised his voice and addressed the crowd: “Fellow Jews and all of you who live in Jerusalem, let me explain this to you; listen carefully to what I say. These people are not drunk, as you suppose. It’s only nine in the morning! No, this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel:

“‘In the last days, God says,
I will pour out my Spirit on all people.
Your sons and daughters will prophesy,
your young men will see visions,
your old men will dream dreams.
Even on my servants, both men and women,
I will pour out my Spirit in those days,
and they will prophesy." Acts 2:14-18

And Paul wrote something QUITE interesting:

"I want you to know that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, “[Jesus] be cursed,” and no one can say, “[Jesus] is Lord,” except by holy spirit." 1 Corinthians 12:3

And there are more accounts of the Spirit making folks do things in the OT than this board can probably hold. But of course, you KNEW all of this, yes? Because you are NOT leaning upon your OWN understanding as to these things... or the understanding of others... right?



Take care, dear Char. I fear you, too, are allowing yourself... because of your own hurt feelings... to be led down a dark path. Truly. Take care. Ask Christ himself to show you these things, if you truly doubt. But don't go ascribing a "bad" spirit to what the Holy Spirit, Christ, does and can do... through holy spirit. Please. I realize that you are perhaps disappointed/disillusioned with ME... but that shouldn't be a reason for you to blaspheme. Please... be careful, dear one. Please.



That's not accurate. Israel was commanded to not put JAH to the test, as they repeatedly did. But we are not only told to "test" the "inspired expression" (so as to discern its source and validity), but we are also INVITED to test JAH out:

"Bring the tenth part into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. Test me in this,” says JaHVeH the Almighty, “and see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that there will not be room enough to store it." Malachi 3:10

Testing JAH out, to see if what He promises IS true... is NOT the same as putting Him TO the test. When He says "test me in this," He means, "TRY it. Do what I SAY and SEE that I will do what I've promised!" When we put Him TO the test, however, we are continually pushing Him to the edge, like children who KNOW their parents' rules... but dance all OVER that line JUST to see what they will do. Those who put JAH to the test have NO intention of turning to him; they just want to make Him "jump."

I am saddened that you seem to know SO little... and so know I know why you had to do a bit of time in the WTBTS. While what they teach IS in error, they do give ones ample opportunity TO read their Bibles. So that at least ones will know what the MOST HOLY One of Israel, JAH of Armies, and His Son and Christ, the HOLY ONE of Israel, JAHESHUA, the Chosen One of JAH (MischaJah) is PURPORTED to have said and done. Perhaps you should revisit dear Armand's exhortation to you (peace, dear one!).



Sigh. You can't even be honest about that, dear one. You never left, dear Char. You just remained quiet for awhile (what, a week?) which was good as perhaps it gave you much needed time to calm yourself. But dear Sab (peace!) has never left either, in spite of HIS similar "announcement." No wonder, then, that you two can "relate." You folks DO know that you can been seen when you log-in and don't "hide"... right?

Peace.

YSSFS of Christ,

Shellama

Oops. Be more careful, Tammy. Look again at the context. What was I commenting on and who was I answering?

Can't you understand a direct figure of speech? There I was replying directly to Shelby, and both you and she refer to the Spirit time and again in that way, except when you're saying the Holy Spirit is Christ.

It is very sad, but you have let yourself be blinded.

Hello JustMom, this is precisely the kind of wrong approach to the Bible which leads to high heresy. We MUST stick to a grammatical understanding of the texts. What are you doing is introducing ideas from other books into the Torah, which is wrong. The Hebrew word used for "serpent" in Genesis 3:1 means a snake, NOT a spirit creature. What you are saying is that Satan USED a speechless animal to speak to Adam and Eve. In reality the story shows us that in Eden serpents have the ability of speech. If there was a spirit creature behind the scenes it would have been explicitly stated and it's not. This is because the devil is being REPRESENTED by a snake who can talk in Genesis. They are symbols not literal, without this rule set in place you cannot achieve an understanding of the text. Yes, you are supposed to picture it as if it were real, just like with any fictional book. But when you call it a history book you start down the path of heresy.

There is a Hebrew word that could have been used but wasn't and that's the word "saraph" which means fiery serpent. The dragon in Revelation is the color of FIRE and therefore could be considered a saraph, but in Genesis the word used means JUST a snake.

We MUST stay true to a grammatical understanding of Scriptures. This means that fervent study of the original languages are paramount to full understanding. However, it seems that my words will fall on deaf ears. You are perfectly fine with maintaining a false understanding of Scripture and then propagating it to others. The number one problem with our western world is the literal interpretation of Genesis. It's a scourge that you are caught up in.

-Sab (AGuest, you are free to reply, but I am no longer responding you)

We MUST stay true to a grammatical understanding of Scriptures. This means that fervent study of the original languages are paramount to full understanding.

Oh Sab, Sab, you are entirely missing the point. 'Listen' to what Christ says:

John 5
39 You search the scriptures, because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness to me;
40 yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life.
41 I do not receive glory from men.
42 But I know that you have not the love of God within you.
43 I have come in my Father's name, and you do not receive me; if another comes in his own name, him you will receive.
44 How can you believe, who receive glory from one another and do not seek the glory that comes from the only God?

And as Paul explained:

1 Cor 1

19 For it is written: "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate."
20 Where is the wise man? Where is the scholar? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?



It isn't about scholarship or being conversant with ancient languages, it's about faith. Just faith Sab. In Jah and his son, and the humility to go to that son and ASK. Then the scriptures will be opened to us, just as He promised.

Loz x

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"This is my son. LISTEN to Him!"

This sort of talking of spirit talking to spirit, of asking a spirit within you and getting answers, doesn't bear any of the hallmarks of talking with Christ, otherwise known as prayer.

It sounds to me like nothing so much as channelling, as with a spirit medium.

Thank you, Shelby, for your warning that I am being led down a dark path. I am sure you meant well.

But no. I follow Christ, in the way that he set up with his first followers, the apostles, and am fed by Him in word and thought and in every kind of way and by Him most of all in Mass and Holy Communion, several times a week, Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity.

He does not lead me down a dark path at all.

Well said.

Christ and Jah first.

Peace,
tammy

Exactly, Tammy. If by Jah you mean God our Loving Heavenly Father, yes, just exactly that, for He is One with Christ in the unity of the Holy Spirit, first and last and always, now and for ever.

Edit: Always remembering that the Gifts of the Holy Spirit include good judgement, understanding and wisdom, so that Sab is right too for those with the opportunity and time to study ancient languages as he suggests. Not everyone can.