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PostPosted: Sun Jun 07, 2015 12:14 pm 
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There are Reasonable People Without Faith..
They don`t mind if other people believe in God and Jesus..

Then there are the Rabid Zealot Atheist Preachers,who get up on a Soap Box and Preach their Brand of Faith every chance they get..
They need Faith to be Atheist because they don`t have "Proof of NO God"..
I know some of you have met people like that..

They`re Crazier Than A Dog In A HubCap Factory..
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Some of them Use Richard Dawkins to Prop Up their Rabid Zealot Atheist Ministry..
Guess What??!!..
Richard Dawkins considers himself an AGNOSTIC..He leaves the Door Open for the Possibility of God..

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Richard Dawkins: '6.9 out of seven' sure that God does not exist
He is regarded as the most famous atheist in the world but last night
Professor Richard Dawkins admitted he could not be sure that God does not exist.

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Professor Richard Dawkins, left, and Dr Rowan Williams outside Clarendon House at Oxford University before the debate Photo: REUTERS

By John Bingham, Religious Affairs Editor
8:21PM GMT 23 Feb 2012
He told the Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr Rowan Williams, that he preferred to call himself an agnostic rather than an atheist.
The two men were taking part in a public “dialogue” at Oxford University at the end of a week which has seen bitter debate about the role of religion in public life in Britain.
Last week Baroness Warsi, the Tory party chairman, warned of a tide of “militant secularism” challenging the religious foundations of British society.

The discussion, in Sir Christopher Wren’s Sheldonian Theatre, attracted attention from around the world.
As well as being relayed to two other theatres, it was streamed live on the internet and promoted fierce debate on the Twitter social network.
For an hour and 20 minutes the two men politely discussed "The nature of human beings and the question of their ultimate origin" touching on the meaning of consciousness, the evolution of human language – and Dr Williams’s beard.

For much of the discussion the Archbishop sat quietly listening to Prof Dawkins’s explanations of human evolution.
At one point he told the professor that he was “inspired” by “elegance” of the professor’s explanation for the origins of life – and agreed with much of it.

Prof Dawkins told him: “What I can’t understand is why you can’t see the extraordinary beauty of the idea that life started from nothing – that is such a staggering, elegant, beautiful thing, why would you want to clutter it up with something so messy as a God?”
Dr Williams replied that he “entirely agreed” with the “beauty” of Prof Dawkins’s argument but added: “I’m not talking about God as an extra who you shoehorn on to that.”
There was surprise when Prof Dawkins acknowledged that he was less than 100 per cent certain of his conviction that there is no creator.
The philosopher Sir Anthony Kenny, who chaired the discussion, interjected: “Why don’t you call yourself an agnostic?” Prof Dawkins answered that he did.

An incredulous Sir Anthony replied: “You are described as the world’s most famous atheist.”
Prof Dawkins said that he was “6.9 out of seven” sure of his beliefs.

“I think the probability of a supernatural creator existing is very very low,” he added.
He also said that he believed it was highly likely that there was life on other planets.

At one point he discussion strayed onto the theoretical question of whether a traditional cut throat razor could be described as a more complicated thing than an electric shaver.
There was laughter as the Archbishop said he would attempt an answer before adding: “Not that I know much about razors.”

During a wide-ranging discussion the Archbishop also said that he believed that human beings had evolved from non-human ancestors but were nevertheless “in the image of God”.
He also said that the explanation for the creation of the world in the Book of Genesis could not be taken literally.
“The writers of the Bible, inspired as I believe they were, they were nonetheless not inspired to do 21st Century physics,” he said.

When Prof Dawkins suggested that he believed the Pope took a rather more literal interpretation of the origins of humans, the Archbishop joked: “I will ask him some time.”


So there it is..
The man considered by some,the Worlds most Famous Atheist.."Richard Dawkins"...Isn`t an Atheist..
Rabid Zealot Atheist Preachers..
Will have to find someone else to help "Prop Up their Faith"..



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 07, 2015 11:08 pm 
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Smile. Peace to you, dear Sher'f, and thanks for sharing this. Personally, I would love to have a serious "discussion" with both both Prof. Dawkins AND Dr. Rowan. At the same time, even. Not because I think I am [as smart(er)] than either of them. I truly don't. I do believe, however, that there are things... many things... that neither have ever even CONSIDERED... because what they DO "know" [about] God... they learned from religion (and thus, people who have absolutely NO clue. And I can say that because if they HAD a clue, they wouldn't be IN/a part OF religion).

I also wouldn't want to have a discussion with them to "prove them wrong." Rather, what a testimony to the LOVE... and POWER... of JAH and Christ, were these two men to maybe have their eyes and ears OPENED... to TRUTH (meaning, the truth ABOUT the Truth... and as a result, ALL truth)! Imagine it: a foremost atheistic agnostic... and an uber religionist... coming to know that science and spirituality are not as opposed to one another as these two might think but that the respective poles of their thinking is actually what stands in the WAY of their knowing [the Truth and thus truth].

I cannot think of any vocation in THIS world more... exciting... than to have the opportunity to have a serious discussion with these two men. Well, okay, healing someone suffering from an illness/disability would trump that, but... I think you all know what I mean.

Man, if these two men... or men like them... could only condescend to speak with someone who doesn't have a similar "education." No Oxford degree. No accolades from Harvard, etc. And no ego, truly. Just a little bit o' holy spirit. Man... oh... man(kind).

Never happen, I know. Ah, well...

Thanks again for sharing this, dear Sher'f, and peace to you, luv!

YSFS of Christ,

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Yes, Shelby.... what you wrote is also how I feel.


I watched a talk with Mr. Dawkins and Lawrence Krauss (physicist) once. Mr. Dawkins was imagining what life from another dimension(s) might look like. I remember thinking that he was really opened minded (more so than the physicist even). If he could just move past the huge wall that religion has built in front of him (and others), and deign to consider that we already know/know of such life.

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Hey Shelby!..
Dawkins is an interesting guy,the 2 of you would probably have a good conversation..
You both present your ideas,in a polite and thoughtful manner..

Hey Tammy!..
I really find it interesting to listen to,or read the words of people like Dawkins,Hitchens,Harris..
They`re not obnoxious or rude to the people who don`t share their beliefs..
They certainly don`t beat people over the head with their beliefs..
Hitchens can be Cheeky,but he`s a fun kind of Cheeky..LOL!!..

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Peace to you, both, dear Sher'f and tams! Maybe I'll write Mr. Dawkins a letter. "Invite" him to discuss matters. Think he'd respond? Personally, I don't think so. I think having these discussions with religionist, uber or otherwise, is "safer" for folks like him. No need to fear EVER having their (non)belief system shaken.

Ah, well...

Peace to you!

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Peace to you, both, dear Sher'f and tams! Maybe I'll write Mr. Dawkins a letter. "Invite" him to discuss matters.
Think he'd respond?....Shelby

Hey Shelby!..

It wouldn`t hurt to try..
Dawkins may be intrigued by the idea,I think you`d have a good discussion..
I`d say go for it..

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If there is one thing I have learned debating and dissing issues with atheists on a few boards, including the one we all came from is this:
Atheism is, by far, more an emotional statement against God than it is an intellectual statement that there is no god.
That is why so many fall back on the "problem of suffering".


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Atheism is, by far, more an emotional statement against God than it is an intellectual statement that there is no god......PSacramento

Good Morning Paul!..

Being I`m Agnostic..I say this from an Agnostic point of View..
Denying the possibility of God without proof..Requires Faith..
Rabid Zealot Atheist Preachers have Traded one Faith for another..
They have Traded one Ministry for another..
They are still Charlatans..

People who don`t believe in God..
Should at least be intellectually honest and admit.."WE don`t know if God Exists"
If proof does present itself,that`s going to be a huge game changer..

I know My Girl Shelby will be laughing away at me,if that ever happens..LOL!!!!!..

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OUTLAW wrote:
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Atheism is, by far, more an emotional statement against God than it is an intellectual statement that there is no god......PSacramento

Good Morning Paul!..

Being I`m Agnostic..I say this from an Agnostic point of View..
Denying the possibility of God without proof..Requires Faith..
Rabid Zealot Atheist Preachers have Traded one Faith for another..
They have Traded one Ministry for another..
They are still Charlatans..

People who don`t believe in God..
Should at least be intellectually honest and admit.."WE don`t know if God Exists"
If proof does present itself,that`s going to be a huge game changer..

I know My Girl Shelby will be laughing away at me,if that ever happens..LOL!!!!!..

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Some view being agnostic as a "cop-out", that a person is simply sitting on the fence and not following the evidence to where it leads.
They are wrong.
Evidence tends to be interpretative and people that are intelligent enough to know that we all have preconceived biases know that the path we follow in the pursuit of the truth is always, at best, "just so".
Agnostic are honest enough to admit they simply do NOT know 100% and are honest enough to admit that because of this, they can't commit either way.

Atheist are an interesting people, they say they don't believe because there is no evidence but when pressed with the evidence either dismiss it or simply disagree with it.
They want personal proof BUT deny the validity of personal revelation.
The one thing that atheist and some believers have in common is that they have chosen a side REGARDLESS of evidence contrary to their position.

Science is a fascinating thing, a thing that many atheists adhere to to prove there is no god, yet, if we closely at what science really is then what we see is a pathway to knowing God BUT to the atheist that has an emotional investment ion there being no god, science needs to only go far enough to prove, in his/her mind, that god is not needed and if not needed, then his existence is irrelevant and that is what modern atheism really is nowadays:
It isn't a belief that there is no god, it is a belief that god is irrelevant.


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Some view being agnostic as a "cop-out", that a person is simply sitting on the fence and not following the evidence to where it leads....PSS

Therein lies the problem..There is no evidence..
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Atheist are an interesting people, they say they don't believe because there is no evidence

Some atheists claim to have proof..
When I ask to see it they`re unable to provide it..
Then I point out without proof all they have is faith,the same thing they accuse believers of..Faith with No Proof..
Atheists don`t like it,some get angry when you point out......Like believers,all they have is Faith..LOL!!!!!!..
Believers are honest enough to admit they have Faith..
I prefer Honest People..

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Many atheists who do argue against God, etc, are actually arguing against religion and its (false) interpretation of God. So they may be/are right in many of their arguments. What many do not understand - or refuse to look at/accept - is that it is not religion that shows us God. Nor man. Only Christ - being the Truth - shows us His Father.


I think that conversation between any of us and Dawkins would be interesting... IF... the man did not stumble over the stumbling block: who it is that we learn from; who it is who teaches us the things that we are given to share. He might not want to talk to us upon learning that we confess a Living and speaking Christ. But perhaps he would focus on the content - to investigate and test in search of truth - rather than focus upon any one of us in order to dismiss the content, regardless of truth.

Past experience has taught me that this is rare. For as you said above, Shelby:

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I think having these discussions with religionist, uber or otherwise, is "safer" for folks like him. No need to fear EVER having their (non)belief system shaken.



Peace to you all,
your servant, sister, and fellow slave of Christ,
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Well this is a Surprise..

Now we know why Dawkins attracts crazy people..
Richard Dawkins espouses Militant Atheism:
"Mock them, Ridicule them."
Click the Link Below..

https://youtu.be/uPqqp8KVuQU

It`s unfortunate Dawkins would say something that stupid..
There`s too many crazy people who are more than willing to kill you for that..
If Zealots on both side of the fence want to die for their beliefs,Fine.....But..
Don`t put others peoples lives in danger,because "Your Stupid"..

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Ultimately I don't think it would be worth debating any of these points or these people. What it comes down to is this: it depends on what your definition of "God" is.


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