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Not quite.

We said that when we speak with Christ... and He with us... that this is something other than prayer, which we also do. Char has told us that we are wrong and it is prayer... although she has since admitted that she is not speaking about the same thing we are speaking about.


So I don't see the problem.


Peace,
tammy

I didn't make a mistake. It wasn't about praying. It was about my saying that I could understand talking to God in your head as prayer, which I had said in a thread a while back...after he move over here, I think. Shelby said no and so did justmom and a general "Chariklo is bad" conversation ensued.

She went on a bit (English understatement) about it NOT being prayer and as far as I remember justmom also chipped in eventually. Not sure if you did or not, not sure if Loz did or not. It was during that discussion that Shelby said that talking to/with God/Christ/"my lord" wasn't prayer, it was talking. I said talking with God IS prayer, and I say it again.

Hello Char...

Praying, whether it is in ones head or out loud to JAH through CHRIST IS prayer.

Noone has ever said different.

Conversation with Christ, our Lord is exactly that. Conversation. NOT prayer.

That is how some of us relate here and have expressed this over and over again.
It is how HE as the Holy Spirit teaches us, reminds us recalls, disciplines, shows and tells us how to feed his sheep and each other by means of HIM!

You though do not experience this type of Conversation. As YOU think it is always through prayer.
Okay then!!! FINE then!!!

But do not keep changing this Char to be something else than what we keep sharing here.

No one is mad at you. Just stop having issues with those that say they converse and its NOT PRAYER throughout the day with the one we are told to listen to from the father.

We are given as a model things to prayer for and how.
We are told that CHRIST is with us 24/7 until the end of days. He dwells IN US and therefore is available, ready and willing to talk anytime of the day. Like a best friend and soulmate only better.

Let it go Char. It's not going to change our view of how we communicate with our Lord.
We understand you do not agree with this or you would not keep bringing this up.
Prayer goes to the father thorough the son. THEN read all the places in the bible that shows how the father answers prayers. It is by means of A son, THE son, CHRIST. He speaks and on this level it is not prayer. It is 24/7 available conversation. Like a 1-800- 24 hours a day representative.

That's it Char. I don't know how else to explain myself really.

Love to you always
Justmom

It's OK, justmom.

I don't even feel argumentative about it. No argument here.

I think all these differences in nomenclature are largely due to geography.

(Edit) and our different religious traditions.

Interesting summation. Let me take a shot at it and please, correct me, where I've not understood you fully.

Prayer is reserved only for "jah". You, as a created Human, cannot have a concersation, persay, with "jah"; only prayer, which consists of entirely different dialog.

Conversation is reserved for CHRIST only; even "jah" pays no Mind to these. They are CHRISTS 'tasks'.

Therefore, in Order to even prayer to "jah", you need a 'permission slip" from CHRIST to even be worthy of the prayer.


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All I truly Know, Is, how well I am now HEARD by what I HEARD in my hospital crib all those years ago..."YOU WILL BE FINE AS YOU GO FORTH". It is just, as I've been dis-covering of late, I lost Trust in what I HEARD. I've now been re-discovering I have come full circle from that day...

I AM going to be Fine, as I go forth. I will strive to be useful, in a much more positive Way. I will use my strength to help others in a useful manner this day forth. I have Learned today that Being useful, in the most tangible ways, ARE where I want to steer my course. My rage can now, will now Be tamed, in useful, helpful ways, for children to learn and feel good about themselves, in order that they may grow as beautiful people, that give and love with much Strength.

It has taken a life experience such as mine, that I've been critically assessing recently, to see that yes, the course I was on, that I was choosing to Be on, was not the road that was truly useful. It APPEARED as if it were so. Yet, by getting honest with my TRUE SELF, I had no other option. I could very well see what I was DOING, and not BEING, as a useful entity.

~sigh of relief~

To be able to finally learn a lesson that has taken years of study and lifes afflictions in my life experience, is, was a very special, altruistic 'Gift' that I was willing able to receive this week. I will cherish it all my days that I remain here on earth, as a useful Being.

~s-Kally~
~s-kally~

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"I am proud to say that I will not lift one finger ( except my middle finger) for the WTBTS."

That is a beautiful post, sKally

Interesting summation. Let me take a shot at it and please, correct me, where I've not understood you fully.



If JAH is the God of such one, yes, dear Skally (peace!).



Not entirely. One CAN pray to JAH, but until one goes THROUGH the Door to get in BEFORE Him... one is just "praying." Like someone standing on YOUR front porch, calling out to you, yelling, screaming even... but refusing to go through the door and come IN. Not that the door locked; it isn't. It isn't even closed. It's standing WIDE open, actually. But the one doesn't "like" the Householder's admonitition ("If you want to speak to ME, you must enter through my Door and come before me")... and so they just stand outside: whispering, talking, yelling, screaming, crying. The Household merely retires to His room and, say, turns up His stereo.

Is the Household being mean? Cruel? Unkind? Unloving? No, it is the person standing outside that is. Why? Because they are SHOWING the Householder that they don't REALLY WANT Him to hear them... because they won't even bother to REGARD His one instruction: come through the Door! THEY are unkind and unloving, however, because rather than OBEY... they then run around the town lyingly speaking ILL of the Householder!

"Oh, HE's unkind! HE's unloving! Because HE won't come out to ME! What? Did He invite ME to come in to HIM? Well, yes, He DID! He said He would listen... AND grant my desire... IF I came through HIS Door! But I don't WANT to go through His Door and in to HIM! I want HIM to come out to ME, dang it! I mean, I'm just this pitiful, miserable, puny, naked human that HE made! So I don't owe HIM nuthin'! HE... OWES... ME! So, let HIM come to ME! I will NEVER go to Him, not if I have to go through His frickin' DOOR! Who does He think He IS? GOD??!"Conversation is



Is it not a reservation; it is a FREEDOM. In order to access JAH there is protocol, yes. Just as there are for EARTHLY "nobles." And we have NO problem giving THOSE the "honor" and "tribute" THEY call for, right? But with Christ, there is no protocol. No one to go THROUGH. No "door." And so you CAN just approach and speak with HIM.



Not if they're disregarding HIM. Nor would YOU pay any mind to such. If someone was standing on YOUR porch yelling at YOU... YOU wouldn't even invite them in. YOU... would call law enforcement and have them REMOVED. Why should one expect MORE from the MOST HOLY One of Israel... than THEY are willing to do THEMSELVES? Oh, that's right: HE's God... and so should serve US, not the other way around.

But that's what so many miss, dear Skally: He IS a God of service... and WANTS to serve us! Thing is, we don't show ourselves as wanting to BE served by Him. How so? Because in order to be served BY God, the MOST Holy One of Israel, WE... must be SERVANTS... to Him, His Son, and ALL others! That truly is how He works, luvs.



They are, yes. Why? Because Christ... GAVE HIS LIFE AND BLOOD to HAVE such tasks. Mankind was SEPARATED from God. Who was there that could "fill the gap" and RECONCILE us to God? No one. NO ONE was "worthy." Until Christ.

He paid for the right TO those tasks, dear Skally. With his LIFE. And so, while one might not LIKE it... it is what it is and one truly CANNOT get in before JAH... without going through Christ. And so... one might want to build and have a relationship with HIM, Christ. You know that say, "It ain't WHAT you know... but WHO you know?" Well... wink, wink!



Again, no. You can pray to JAH all the livelong day. In order for your prayer to be HEARD, however... NOW... since CHRIST... you must go through him. The Door. Yes.

Which is such a simple truth. But that so many can't perceive it is what my Lord meant when he said:

"When the Son of Man returns, will he TRULY find faith in the earth?"
He will, of course, even if it's only a few. That, though, is sad. Because we're not being asked to climb up and be naled to some pole... or give OUR lives... but simply to recognize and acknowledge the One who DID... by going through him to come before God.

"KISS... the SON... lest God be angry."

I hope this helps and, again, peace to you!

A slave of Christ,

Shellama

Is it not a reservation; it is a FREEDOM. In order to access JAH there is protocol, yes. Just as there are for EARTHLY "nobles." And we have NO problem giving THOSE the "honor" and "tribute" THEY call for, right? But with Christ, there is no protocol. No one to go THROUGH. No "door." And so you CAN just approach and speak with HIM.





Thank you for explaining this so well.

This is the difference for me and why I call it conversation, available all day long. Just start talking and asking, and He ( CHRIST ) speaks. Like a back and forth. Often he answers or gives a picuture of something to me before i even finish my sentence

Now whether or to we choose to listen is one thing.

But prayer to the MOST holy one and father and creator of everything. For me it is more formal as in more respectful in my approach to him. And ALWAYS ASKING to come before him through the one that he set up as our mediator.

This is how it is different and how I've tried to explain as well.

Thank you again for this
Love to you all Justmom

Thank you Skally for sharing about yourself. It is amazing sometimes how long it takes some of us before we realize what's truly important. I can speak from my own experience.

mom,

thank you.

Would you please answer my questions posed to you above, as I had quoted your post as my reference.

thank you.

i'll check later, as maybe mmuch later...i have a very busy weekend, yet will try to check in.

otherwise it may be a time before i get back to the thread and topic.

thank you again.

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"I am proud to say that I will not lift one finger ( except my middle finger) for the WTBTS."

To clarify; I see you responsed in a general way. Yet, am hoping you could break them up individually and answer them as such, so as I may become clearer in the understanding.

Thx again.

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"I am proud to say that I will not lift one finger ( except my middle finger) for the WTBTS."

Interesting summation. Let me take a shot at it and please, correct me, where I've not understood you fully.

Prayer is reserved only for "jah". You, as a created Human, cannot have a concersation, persay, with "jah"; only prayer, which consists of entirely different dialog.

Conversation is reserved for CHRIST only; even "jah" pays no Mind to these. They are CHRISTS 'tasks'.

Therefore, in Order to even prayer to "jah", you need a 'permission slip" from CHRIST to even be worthy of the prayer.


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~s-Kally~

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"I am proud to say that I will not lift one finger ( except my middle finger) for the WTBTS."

Hello mom, i'm off to the bedroom now to slip into the covers with starwberry ice cream and NCIS' De Noso.

Just wondered if you perhaps overlooked the question mark after each sentence above the question mark in my post. I believe it translates into three questions. I just formatted the quiz in a different way. Hope it didn't throw you off. It may have, as I see your general reply yet would like my three addressed individually, not all in general.

Sweet dreams. Thank you.

~s-kally~

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"I am proud to say that I will not lift one finger ( except my middle finger) for the WTBTS."

Interesting summation. Let me take a shot at it and please, correct me, where I've not understood you fully.

Prayer is reserved only for "jah". You, as a created Human, cannot have a concersation, persay, with "jah"; only prayer, which consists of entirely different dialog.


Skally, for me when I pray to Jah, it is ONLY to Him, not the Son. It is a respectful praise, request, gratitude that I give to him granted only through CHRIST. I realize I am approaching the greatest being in the universe and therefore approach and speak with the greatest respect.

When I am overly distressed on a issue or family matter etc, I present my petition to him and ask that he answers me, but ask that not MY will, but His be done. For he knows better than I.

I know then that my answer will come through CHRIST! But my prayer is different than just random conversation that I have with my Lord like I would have with my best friend.

So my dialogue would be a little different than just daily mundane things I need help with or answers to. Things that in the big picture of things are petty, but because they love us so much and care, our Lord help us with even the littlest things. Like daily things that we want to listen for.


Conversation is reserved for CHRIST only; even "jah" pays no Mind to these. They are CHRISTS 'tasks'.

Conversation with CHRIST is always and ready available to ANYONE. All one has to do is ask and listen for his voice inside our temple within.
Jah IS love.
Because of his love he has made the provision of his son so that we can readily by means of Holy Spirit dwelling in us have access to the one that is willing to guide our every step. Talking with and to this one is the provision Jah has set in place.
" This IS my son, the beloved, LISTEN to Him."

It is not a chore to them, they are more than willing to be able to serve and minister to US and show us how to minister to one another.

Therefore, in Order to even prayer to "jah", you need a 'permission slip" from CHRIST to even be worthy of the prayer.

In order to be able to acceptably approach Jah, one MUST go through the door, which is CHRIST to be able to get to the Father. That's the only permission slip one need.
" NO ONE gets to the father, except through the son."

Skally

I hope I was able to share and answer your questions.

Have a great Nite. Enjoy your icecream

Love Justmom

There are times that I pray and there are times that I have a conversation with Christ.
There is always a "reverence" in both of course.
The difference is, to me anyways, that when I pray I am being very formal and usually asking something for OTHERS or thanking Our Father and Our Lord for something and when I have a conversation it is "less formal" and very much a personal interaction of "two people talking".

To me, in my tradition, and in my experience, both Anglican, which approximates to episcopalian, and Catholic during much more than a quarter of a century, prayer is a term inclusive of formal and informal prayer, conversational prayer, if you like.

Even monastic tradition, a powerhouse of prayer, includes everything from the most formal of prayers to meditative and contemplative prayer, conversational prayer such as that under discussion, arrow prayers such as a cry for help or even a request for clarification or guidance, whether in a certain situation or not. Prayer always includes listening and is made in faith that it will be both heard and answered, no matter the formality or informality of it nature or circumstances.

Objectively, it's very interesting indeed that this should have proved, so unexpectedly and surprisingly, to be such a sensitive subject for some. It will be found to be a matter of nomenclature. Shakespeare had it right; "a rose by any other name would smell as sweet".

And I think that is it right there.
For those that Prayer was NOT communicating, to be able to "talk to Christ" right now is NOT prayer.
But for those that ANY communication with God and Christ IS prayer then, that is what it is.