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This to justmom, about prayer:

Where you say "we told you", whatever you yourself have told me on that subject I have no argument with. My understanding of Shelby's view on prayer was from her direct words to me. It may be that she expressed herself poorly, but I don't think so. She usually means what she says and says what she means.

I believe you agreed with her at the time, but of course in the cold light of day and a different context that view may have been modified.

Then, praise JAH, dear Char (peace!)... that my words are there for all to see, yes?



I'm with you, girl. While I admit I am pretty verbose, I am also pretty clear. Crystal even, sometimes.



Ooh, no: I virtually ALWAYS mean what I say... and say what I mean... unless I've clarified otherwise (jokes, puns, metaphors, etc.).

Is it possible, though, that... perhaps... there's... mmmmmm, maybe... an issue with your "understanding" (versus one with my view)? Just something you might consider, dear one. Might, mind you. Not trying to tell/lead/direct anyone to DO anything (particularly if they don't want to).

Peace!

A slave of Christ,

Shellama

Dear Char....

Shelby has repeatedly addresses and Readdressed so many issues and misunderstandings since the start of this forum. With great patience, love, wisdom and teaching abilities that are gifts I see of the spirit that have been given her so that she can " share what she hears from Holy Spirit " to always and always...only and only...give credit and glory ... to one that deserves all honor and glory...

Jah and His son! And as a servant of theirs, and ours, and of each others!

I know Shelby's understanding of prayer. She has emphasized it over and over on here to YOU, ME and everyone else.

I know her well enough to know that she would never rebuke you for praying. Now she has over and over and over again tried to explain the difference between prayer and conversation with our Lord.
You know this Char! Please don't change this into something it is NOT.

You may communicate with God however you choose to...

But do not try to change that fact that we have tried to explain to you the difference of what prayer IS...and what conversation on a daily basis IS with our Lord! OVER and OVER and OVER again.

The patience of Jah towards us is so amazingly wonderful. I have always appreciated how patient he was with me for how long it took ME to see the WTBS was not the truth.

Again Char
Love to you
Justmom

All I did, justmom, was respond to what she really truly said to me on the forum about prayer.

Then I will take this to mean that you understand the meaning of prayer.

1. Prayer .....and it's understanding.

2.communication and speaking with our Lord daily is NOT prayer.

Its that simple
Thanks for understanding this

Love Justmom

what she really truly said to me on the forum about prayer.

Which was... what, exactly, dear Char (peace to you!). Please... a link? I mean, at least give me the opportunity to explain... or rebut... what you are saying I "said." Else, you run the risk, do you not, of having someone accuse YOU of deliberately telling "lies, falsehoolds, whoppers, and natural pokeys," no?

Of course, I don't think you ARE (deliberately misstating the truth), but rather, just ignorant. Of what I MEANT... as well as what I SAID. And so I hold neither against you.

Links, please? Else... you run the risk of me calling you out as a liar... and others all but doing so ('cause they're nicer than I am)... once again.

Peace!

A slave of Christ,

Shellama

{slides open the screen door to this section of the 'house' and yes, skally says to Self as she listens carefully to the chatter: all humans, simply trying to understand being human......sips her icy cold coke...aren't We a phenomenal species?}

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"I am proud to say that I will not lift one finger ( except my middle finger) for the WTBTS."

I've yet to read this entire thread, yet it seems transparently simple to me, that one humans Paradise is anothers Hell.

Surely Christ was In Paradise, That Pro-found Day. Whom is to say He was not? We can not read that mind, from then. Nor what express feelings were Within. And surely, mere written words could never Trul convey such. Are we not to Look for the things Christ want us to learn, in our weakest hour, or DAY, today? The Paradise of It, if you will? That it is for a Reason.

We surely Know not as much as we humans think we do.

Now, I'm going to read some more, and try to open my heart here and See what there is to Hear.

You know, it just occured to me that yes, one mans paradise can truly be another womans hell! and vise versa. perhaps this is what was lying between his Words. Who Knows. Who Knows if we will ever Hear everything we need to. How do we trust that He is not holding back?

This Christ thing. It is all so fascinating as of late, due to some things I've been Hearing.

Feels comfortable, for now though, in finally discussing it.

~s-kally~

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"I am proud to say that I will not lift one finger ( except my middle finger) for the WTBTS."

And yes, I DID read this thread before. Yet, this time I read between the lines and was ready to get in on the discussion of the Christ thing.

Just wanted to clarify.

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"I am proud to say that I will not lift one finger ( except my middle finger) for the WTBTS."

No, Shelby, no issue with my understanding. It's just that this is one more time when you find normal British parlance hard to understand.

We tend to understate when we mean to emphasise.

We understate sometimes in humour, understate to make a serious point, from meticulous (nice!) exact inclination to pedantry) or from natural reticence, or out of a dislike of overstatement or for all kinds of reasons.

Most people understand us as readily as we understand ourselves. Occasionally, indeed, rarely, a particular American finds it difficult. Even more seldom, rarely, a particular American will, to use your lingo, choose to move in aggressively on the point. For reasons we just can't fathom. I mean....uh? Why?

Oh, Shelby, you should know me better than that! I don't do links!

You might like to see me as much lazier than you! Culpably lazy, if you wish! I don't mind! The thought of obsessively poring over three, four, five-month-old forums just to prove myself right and someone else wrong fills me with a sense of distinct aversion!

No! *shudder* think of me as just plain old fashioned bone idle in that respect if you want, Shelby. I'll happily back down!

There! Better now?

Has nothing to do with laziness. Has to do with making sure that what you are accusing someone of is accurate, because surely we would not want to falsely accuse someone of something?

Char, Shelby has never said anything about prayer that me, Justmom, or Loz has not also said... which you now claim that you have no problem with, so it should all be good. But instead of owning up to that mistake and saying... hey, you know what, I must have misunderstood, sorry about that... you make it out to be that Shelby is somehow at fault instead, and is overreacting in simply asking you to back the statement that you are making so that she can address your misunderstanding.



If you cannot back up an accusation or statement that you are making against someone else, then don't make it in the first place.

Peace,
tammy

I didn't make a mistake. It wasn't about praying. It was about my saying that I could understand talking to God in your head as prayer, which I had said in a thread a while back...after he move over here, I think. Shelby said no and so did justmom and a general "Chariklo is bad" conversation ensued.

She went on a bit (English understatement) about it NOT being prayer and as far as I remember justmom also chipped in eventually. Not sure if you did or not, not sure if Loz did or not. It was during that discussion that Shelby said that talking to/with God/Christ/"my lord" wasn't prayer, it was talking. I said talking with God IS prayer, and I say it again.

It is so according to my understanding individually, and common parlance in the extensive prayer circles of my long life. For those that say no, it isn't....well, I'm perfectly happy to agree to disagree and to say it's a culture thing. Different cultures, different mores, different religious language. At that level I'm happy.

What I am NOT happy to do is go poring back over old threads. If you, Tammy, wish to hurl insults at me and call me a liar, well....you know the thing, point a finger at someone and point four back at yourself. Believe what you like. I am always 100% truthful, I do not lie, I know it and God knows it and that's enough for me. If you want to call me a liar, somewhere, some way down the line, it will come back at you. It always happens.

I'm cool. I don't do the interminable point by point "must prove myself right with references". Waste of time and boring.

If you want to get in a state about it...well....up to you.

I don't even know what a person is supposed to do with something like that. I didn't hurl an insult; I didn't call you a liar. I didn't lob a false accusation at you. Not even 'in a state'.


Just done.


Peace,
tammy

So, If I understand this:
Char said that ALL talking to Christ is prayer and it was stated that, in the opinion of some, no, there is prayer and there is talking/listening to Christ.

Correct?