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Of course you MUST agree. You did not really need to even state so. It is par.

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Of course you MUST agree. You did not really need to even state so. It is par.


But I wanted to dear Skalls...

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Well, I for one, am curious, dear Skals (peace to you!): why "must" she agree? And why does her agreement evoke snark from you... versus denial of what I shared? I mean, your lack of response COULD be construed as you agreeing as well but perhaps too chagrined to openly agree. Yet no one threw sand at you.

You don't agree with me... fine. But c'mon, girl: why pick at dear 'Mom ( peace, luv! )... who's NEVER given a HINT of illwill toward you... simply because I didn't agree with you on this?

HAD I agreed with YOU should we have expected her or someone else to say "Of course, you MUST agree, Shel"?

I KNOW you don't agree with ME. And I don't always agree with you. But I point out why... and without snark. Snark is really only a "weapon" for those who can't support their position... or logically counter those who validly pick it apart.

And it's a MAJOR tool of the WTBTS. So maybe you're right - maybe we're not alike in ANY way. Because MAYBE you're not as far out as you THINK.

I'm the one who challenged your position and conduct, dear one. Direct your blows at and take it out on me. I mean, maybe I'm wrong. SHOW me, though. But don't spit at dear 'Mom. She didn't do or say anything different than pretty much everyone else on this thread.

I won't say "grow up, already"... but, well, c'mon, girl. NO ONE here meant or means you illwill. But if YOU can only handle agreement... you might reconsider pointing a finger at dear 'Mom.

Just some (more) "sisterly" wisdom", dear girl.

Peace, truly.

Your servant and a slave of Christ,

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2014 10:27 am 
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On Sat., i read the ENTIRE DEPOSITION OF WTBTS/JW ORG REP RICHARD ASHE, WHO BASICALLY WAS THERE AS THE STAND-IN FOR GB GARRETT LOSCH, ON A YOUTUBE VIDEO.

The link to the depo is in featured in the "JEHOVAH TODAY" YOUTUBE CHAN/COMMENT BELOW. These types of comments confirms I am rocking the boat, accordingly. They reveal and display such precious gems of understanding of exactly what ASHE states in his TESTIMONY, contained in the pdf provided:

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[b]The reason why I don't allow messages instantly is due to lies and misunderstanding by apostates and videos like yours. 99% of what you guys talk about is unscriptural, negative and not up building for my viewers so I vet the responses first.

FYI, I do respond to people’s questions all the time, in fact I conduct many bible studies due to ones asking questions and after a while, they contact their local KH for further study but face to face instead via the web. I have helped many ex JWs to return and also believers in other faiths.

And do you know why this happens? After they have visited apostate sites, they realise sites like mine are not as you guys say, they realise my site is scriptural, up building, God like, we're in contrast they say, your sites just slander, negative, degrading and unscriptural, ungodly.

So I show them the fruits of the spirit V fruits of the flesh in the bible and they see the truth straight away. Very quickly they listen to Jehovah and his son Jesus and Jehovah makes it grow.

Peace.
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What is amusing is that i read this right after i read the thread i include in my reply below from elsewhere [ it IS ironic that i saw this right after)

My reply (what is it w/ signing off with peace, after blatant disrespect and disregard?) [!!!! IT'S A RHETORICAL QUESTION ALERT!!!]:


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+Jehovah today Insulting the publics intelligence w/ this drivel, ESP SOMEONE WHO LIVED AND BREATHED THIS ORG AS A CHILD, BY FORCE is par for anyone baptized jw or in lust with with your doctrines and policies, jw Mr. Jehovah. Such disrespect from those, such as yourself, is exactly WHY I'M TALKING ABOUT IT ON MY "YOUTUBE FEEDBACK/DISC VIDEO FORUM". It is as if I am on a forum, yet I don't have to type much...thanks to utube and the ability to feedback and discuss w/ voice. YOU WANT TO MAKE A VIDEO AND ADDRESS ME THERE? I DOUBT IT. IT IS WHY YOU CHECKED MY COMMENTS FIRST, TO MAKE SURE I DON'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON IN YOUR ORG, OTHER THAN WHAT IS WRITTEN BY LOSCH, MORRIS, LETT, HERD AND THE OTHER LEADERS.

THE WATCHTOWER DAM IS ABOUT TO BURST, HOW WILL YOU STOP IT? BY DENYING FACTS? THAT IS IMPOSSIBLE, WITH THE FLOW OF SOCIAL MEDIA, ESP, UTUBE....AND BY YOUR LEADERS OPENING UP THE WORLD OF JWS TO THE WORLDLY PEOPLE, FOR ALL TO SEE. ISNT THAT WHAT JW.ORG IS ALL ABOUT? You cannot open it all up, invite the world in, then say hey, we only talk about our bible and publications...anything else you see, hear, smell, touch or taste are all apostate lies. THAT SIMPLY WON'T WORK ANYMORE. THE PEOPL WANT TO TALK ABOUT SEXUAL ABUSE OF CHILDREN IN THE JW.ORG/WTBTS "ONE TRUE RELIGION HERE ON EARTH AND OUR LEADERS ARE GOD JEHOVAHS MOUTHPIECE" AND AS RICHARD ASHE FROM WT HEADQ GIVES IN HIS EXPOLSIVE DEPOSITION FOR COURT IN SAN DIEGO[ WHERE LOSCH WAS SUPPOSE TO BE BUT SENT ASHE. HIS WORDS ALONE, UNDER OATH, WILL DUE IN THE MAGNITUDE OF COVERUP RE: PEDOPHILIA IN THIS ORG. SIMPLY: YOUR TIME HAS COME, AS HAS ALL THE OTHER CHURCHES ....YOU CANNOT AVOID THIS FREIGHT TRAIN. BEST GET OFF THE TRACKS.

BTW, I consider everything you've said here as just a fart in the wind. Are we clear little wt man?

READ THE DEPO BY WT REP, UNDER OATH, IN USA COURT:

http://watchtowerdocuments.org/wp-conte ... of-IMZ.pdf

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchto ... rom-JW-org


Incidently, I can not keep up w/ how many jw utube channels i've blasted with wtbts/jworg child abuse cover up and cases ongoing and the conti case in appeal coupled w/ direct links to news and utube news videos. AND THE DEPO LINK!! I simply ask, can you comment on why your leaders will not abide by the judges orders? we dont know what ur talking about. well, here let me help you become AWARE! //;) I shall let the wt know, by phone, how much i appreciate the fine counsel online by your active online elders, that are scolding me on the worldly youtube network....CREATE YOUR OWN VIDEO NETWORK WT, AND KEEP TO YOURSELVES. {scenerio for phone convo w/ bethel, and now i have names, thx to the depo g:) }

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In the DEPO VIDEO I'VE done, I interject much commentary as to my opinions, perspectives, viewpoints, etc. I am trying to let the audience see where WT is 'dancing'. It isn't just me reading the doc. (Although, I've let any blind or those who cannot read, know that all they need to do is ask, and I will gladly READ, IN FULL, WHATEVER THEY DESIRE. ) I am dismantling what I am reading, yet encouraging the listeners to give their own feedback on what they are hearing, and reading, as i provide linkage, AND TO CALL WTBTS THEMSELVES, TO SEE FOR THEMSELVES, AS CONCRETE PROOF, HOW YOU ARE 'DEALT WITH' BY THAT ORG, AS AN OUTSIDER.

Can't wait for the knock!!! I'm gonna dismantle the next elder that comes a knocking..........with this depo.

LET ME BE CLEAR HERE:

THIS DEPOSITION HAS CAUSED A SHIFT IN THE SKALLY. IT CONTAINS ABSOLUTE DYNAMITE THAT HAS SAT DORMANT FAR TOO LONG AS FAR AS JUST HOW THE LETHAL LITTERATURE AND POLICY ARE CONCEIVED, BIRTHED AND NURTURED.

IT HAS CHANGED 'THE GAME' ON ALL LEVELS. IT IS GOLDEN ARTILLERY. [OUTLAW, PLEASE, I'D LOVE TO GET A VISUAL :D ]

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PUBLIC REPLY [ his utube page give link to jw org that has TRUTH THAT SETS YOU FREE, featured. LOL ISN'T THAT THE BEST KNEE-SLAPPER IN A WHILE?]:

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That is not the truth that will set you free mr jehovah today. The reason is transparent. The excuse you exalted is null and void. THX FOR YOUR FEEDBACK. IT HAS BEEN DULY NOTED AND LOGGED. IT IS WHY I DO THESE VIDEOS; FOR FEEDBACK/COMMENTS/DISCUSSION/DEBATE. IT HAS BEEN DULY NOTED AND LOGGED.

Care to hear me on tape, dismantle your excuse and your criminally and morally corrupt religious institution, for others to get in on the feedback, discussion, debate?
Look, your leaders have rebranded you. EMBRACE THE WORLD NOW. IT IS OKAY TO TELL US THE TRUTH. SET US FREE BROTHER!

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WHY DOES @ NOT HAVE A PLACE FOR COMMENTS/DISCUSSION/ FEEDBACK/ QUESTION, SOCIAL MEDIA FOR JWS? DO YOU REALLY THINK PEOPLE ARE STUPID AND CAN'T SEE RIGHT THROUGH YOUR SO-CALLED REASONING OF NOT READING ANY OUTSIDE MATERIAL OTHER THAN WHAT WT PRINTS?

YOU CAN'T LIE OR DENY ANYMORE...RICHARD ASHE OF WTBTS SAYS TOO IN HIS DEPOSITION. SO, NOW WHAT MR WT MAN?
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Morning sKally,

I am a bit unclear here. Is this a direct response to your utube channel? A back and forth between the poster you quoted and yourself?


I'm just unclear on what his comment that you bolded has to do with anything that you are posting (re: the depo), except that you received an admittance he screens comments, perhaps? Because there are jws and exjws who ARE turned away from exjws and exjw sites specifically because of the vitriol they encounter on some of them. And the response you gave to him seems, to me, to support his reasons for doing so. For example,

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BTW, I consider everything you've said here as just a fart in the wind. Are we clear little wt man?


I think you just gave that guy a valid reason (at the very least in the eyes of his readers/listeners) for his decision to screen messages.

And if some people turn away because of the anger/vitriol (and yes, you do have a very calm voice in reality, but that sure does not come across when you write) - then some who might otherwise benefit from the work that you do in exposing the lies or the abuse aren't going to stick around to listen/read.

It just seems like such a waste, especially when you do not need the insults, etc, to make your point and state the facts. The facts should speak for themselves and your point is much better made, imo.

For example... that depo is an easy read in that it just states the facts (at least from the pov of the attorney in the depo). There are no insults added in there that might turn people away (unless they just don't want to hear anything that might show the wts in an unfavorable light - if proven to be true, that is, and this is just a deposition and not a guilty verdict - in which case, that is their choice)

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As for the content of the depo, I thought it was interesting and a very easy read, and the reader may draw their own conclusions or just be aware that there are issues out there. But of course no one on the other end of a phone can comment on the question that you ask, even if they DID know an answer. It is an ongoing legal proceeding. Or am I mistaken and it is concluded? Even so, I would expect that the guy on the other end of the phone is unlikely to be authorized to comment on legal matters.


As to bringing the wts down... history of other religions, especially the RCC, has proven that sexual abuse scandals AND guilty verdicts/admittance of those scandals is not going to bring down the wts. Certainly the exposure may cause some to leave, or at the very least, be more diligent about protecting their children and not blindly trusting everyone in the organization. So the exposure is good. The hypocrisy of pointing fingers at the RCC while being guilty of the same might help wake some others up as well. But it won't bring the beast, itself, down.

She will come to her end though... as will all the other 'daughters' of BTG. Hopefully, as many who wish to know the Truth, who seek the Truth, who are able and willing and thirsting to hear and know the truth (who is Christ) will come out of her before she comes to her end.


May those still in 'her' (in any of her forms, wts, rcc, etc) hear the call, and "Come out of her, my people!" so that you do not share in her sins. And instead come to Christ, who is THE Truth, Word, the Spirit and the Life. The ONLY one about whom God said,

"This is my Son, whom I love. Listen to Him."


May you have peace,
your servant, and a slave of Christ,
tammy


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I explain in my tapes, verbally, with my voice, what it is you are going on about her tammy. I am not going to sit and type it all out when that is WHY I CREATED THE CHANNEL. SO I DO NOT HAVE TO KILL MY ARMS TYPING OUT EVERYTHING I HAVE TO SAY, OR REPLY TO.

YOUTUBE has changed that for people with disabilities. WE DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH ALL THAT PAIN, TYPING ANYMORE.

So, I've already explained THAT before too. If you have not heard these tapes, that contain the answers to much of what you are inquiring about here, but then EXPECT ME TO TYPE IT ALL OUT!! May I ask why would I do that, when you can hear ME, rather than read me? And why should I put myself through that pain, when I simply do not need to, anymore? I have a new tool to help with my ABILITIES. WHY WOULD I KEEP DOING THINGS THE OLD WAY, JUST FOR YOU? OR OTHERS? Frankly, it makes no sense, I'm sure, but only to you.

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"This is Skally, whom I love. Listen to her."

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I explain in my tapes, verbally, with my voice, what it is you are going on about her tammy. I am not going to sit and type it all out when that is WHY I CREATED THE CHANNEL. SO I DO NOT HAVE TO KILL MY ARMS TYPING OUT EVERYTHING I HAVE TO SAY, OR REPLY TO.

YOUTUBE has changed that for people with disabilities. WE DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH ALL THAT PAIN, TYPING ANYMORE.

So, I've already explained THAT before too. If you have not heard these tapes, that contain the answers to much of what you are inquiring about here, but then EXPECT ME TO TYPE IT ALL OUT!!



I don't expect you to do anything sKally. But this is a written forum... so if you are using this forum as a means to also promote your utube and to present the info that you also speak about in your videos, then it is not unreasonable that I (or anyone else) would ask you about the content you are exposing or talking about IN the written form. In the post that you just made, it is all in the written form. There is nothing TO listen to, no video, just written content.


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May I ask why would I do that, when you can hear ME, rather than read me?


I hope I answered that above. But may I ask YOU why I would want to sort through various recordings to find the answer to the questions/comments that I made here? If you want to respond by video, then that is great. More than great... I am glad you have that means to communicate without pain. But I would not expect you to go reading through old comments/threads to find an answer to something you asked me about. I would just answer you (if I could) on the current thread.

Or I could provide a link TO the thread that answers your question/comment. Just as you could simply have provided a link for me and my questions/comments.


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And why should I put myself through that pain, when I simply do not need to, anymore? I have a new tool to help with my ABILITIES. WHY WOULD I KEEP DOING THINGS THE OLD WAY, JUST FOR YOU? OR OTHERS? Frankly, it makes no sense, I'm sure, but only to you.


You don't have to do anything in any particular way (old or new), just for me or for anyone else. Nor should you put yourself through that pain when you do not need to. But I did not know that you are doing utube videos because of a disability that causes you pain when typing. You may have said so, or even written so, but I do not recall this... and perhaps I simply did not read that thread. I don't read them all.

Besides, you are here typing, and I simply responded to that. Why would I not?

But again, I am certainly not expecting you to put yourself through pain for me, or for anyone. Nor would I ever knowingly ask that of you.


In any case, I will leave off the topic. If you want to give me a link that responds to the issues I brought up, or respond here VIA video, then I will certainly listen. You could even do that when responding to anything on this forum, and I am sure that most would accept that as your means of communication here (though some might not be able to listen due to those around them), and be glad that you have that means so that you do not have to have pain while responding.


Peace again to you,
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This bro at Patterson stayed with me over an hour! This is the best tape yet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mq98XpQ7bNE

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One MUST remember, ALL must remember, that this Forum is a FORUM specifically "FOR CHRIST," and not against the Society. While many things are said against the Society (as it should be), this is a forum FOR CHRIST. This of itself should help in clarifying the kinds of things we post here and "FOR" what purpose.

Just my two cents.

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Armand..

This particular part of the forum is Specifically "For" the Discussion of the WBT$..

"Watchtower Bible and Tract Society » Watchtower Doctrines, Scandals and Coverups"

So it`s something I don`t want discouraged..
Nor do I want to discourage you in Speaking Freely about your Faith.....Or.....Your Support for your Fellow Christians..
There`s room for many Subjects/Topics on this forum..

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Yes, Outlaw. I understand what you are stating; but remember, it ALL falls under the aegis of "FOR Christ." Under this subheading you mention, it sounds time and time again like a diatribe against the Society rather than anything "for Christ." I'm just sayin'. . . . Merely an opinion. Peace.

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P.S. A serious question and no offense is intended or given: Is Skally "for Christ"? I'm just asking a serious question.


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