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No one was harrassed. Good grief you two. Feel better about YOUR self now?

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"I am proud to say that I will not lift one finger ( except my middle finger) for the WTBTS."

I think Scally ppl here are concerned about your wasted energy and passion and potentially frustrating disappoinments. I believe we are all on the same side though, no doubts there...

Loz x

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Meh..
A lot of exJW`s have their own projects going,to expose the WBT$..
Even me..
sKally is doing it her way,I`m doing it my way..
We don`t expect to take the WBT$ Down..(Some actually think they will..LOL!!)
We just want to help the people who want out,to get out..And..To discourage new recruits from joining..
We consider it a Humanitarian and Public Service..

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Again: good grief. WASTED energy and WASTED passion. Can you get any more offensive and insulting?

LOL! Please, do not WASTE your time, energy and passion in replying. LOL!!!!!

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"I am proud to say that I will not lift one finger ( except my middle finger) for the WTBTS."

He`s a WBT$ GB Rock Star Pope..He "IS" the Watchtower..
Who do the WBT$ GB Rock Star Popes Answer to?.....Nobody.....They`re untouchable..
It`s probably one of the few times in his life hes told the truth..
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I can see where an Internet site that mentions, debates, discusses, posts copies of printed material, even YouTube and other visual media, all of which sets forth the truth about the lies, hypocrisy... and crimes... of the WTBTS... would serve as "exposing" her, dear Sher'f ( peace to you, dear one!).

Repeatedly calling and asking questions that one KNOWS they will NOT get an answer to... (which refrain from answering is NOT just the way of the WTBTS but the COMMON PRACTICE of ALL large corporations... and religions, INCLUDING cults (indeed, what corporation OR religion OR cult on THIS planet responds to provocative questions over the phone? What business... OR religion... OR cult answers ANYTHING without either putting it in writing or calling a press conference... unless it's TO the press... or law enforcement??)... is NOT "exposing" anything.

If it is, to WHOM... and what is being "exposed"? If it's the plebe who answers the phone, why take issue with him? Why not simply say, "Hey, I'm so and so and I was wondering if YOU knew about such and such... No? Well, I don't want you to think I'm the one lying to you so here's where you can find info about that." Or "... you can find that in YOUR Bible at...".

IF you're really trying to help THAT person. By exposing her dirt to THAT person.

But if you're calling simply because you KNOW they won't respond, and you're irritated about that... or irritated because some dumb plebe doesn't know who and what he's really answering phones FOR... and so you go off on HIM... so that you can point a finger and go "See?! I TOLD you "they" wouldn't respond!"... sorry but I don't see how that's exposing anything to ANYONE.

It's simply saying the PLEBE doesn't know/can't answer. Which we all KNOW. Else he wouldn't BE there answering their phones.

So what, pray tell, was exposed?? Nothing. No more than would be if one of us called up the Vatican and asked the plebe who answers THERE if he has knowledge about the molestation cases that the previous Pope was supposedly in on. What would we EXPECT the answer to be? "Sure! Know ALL about it 'cause not only did the Cardinals tell us but it's been in the news!"?

Even if he did say that what would his next words be? We KNOW what they'd be:

"But it's all lies and just the Devil using some DISGRUNTLED EXCOMMUNICATED laity folks to talk bad about "his holiness!"

What was exposed... and to WHOM? Other Catholics? But THEIR response would be the same. Ex-Catholics? They already know.

So, no, I can't see it, luv. All I see is it being construed as what they say it is... disgruntled "apostates," which helps THEM... and hurts us who've left.

It does NOT have the affect of exposing but has the affect of making us... ALL of us who've left... as they say we are. Which does not help but harms (us).

S'alls I'm sayin'.

Peace to you, dear Sher'f!

YSFS of Christ,

Shel

I understand what your saying Shelby..

On the surface it looks pointless..
Some guy answers the WBT$ phone he doesn`t know anything,why bother?!....
The boys at the top hear about it though..
They already believe the outside world is out to get them them

One of Ted Jaraczs biggest fears..
Was an actual attack on bethel by WBT$ JW Apostates..LOL!!..
I think it`s good to feed those fears,without actually doing anything destructive..
Desperate people make mistakes,sometimes at the most inopportune times..

The pressure is on from everywhere..
The WBT$ is Feeling the heat,they complained about it yesterday at the last special talk..LOL!!..
Hopefully some where down the road..
More WBT$ Mistakes translates into more exposure of the WBT$..
With any luck it will be front of a court of Law..LOL!!..I think it`s inevitable..

..........................................OUTLAW

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Shelby I agree with you totally, well said as usual.


Outlaw what a thought about Garrett. He is the Watchtower so he doesn't answer to the them LOL.



Everything the Governing body says and does is being scrutinized now, people like Tony Morris make a laughing stock of the Watchtower. LOL as seen in the article and videos below:

http://jwsurvey.org/cedars-blog/after-his-branch-visit-performance-is-tight-pants-tony-now-a-liability-for-the-governing-body

Posted by exjw activist John Cedars on Facebook a few days ago.

Us. Please. There is no US Shelby. I am not like you and all the other adult jws who left. You keep lumping me in with adults who left. I am not one of 'those people/ us'.

John Cedars. What does he know? He has no authority on anything. Meh. He was an adult jw too. None of you hold much merit in my book of life. Especially given his history, AS AN ELDER; conducting jc hearings on minors. So yes, as if!! LOL!!

Your ASSumptions, interpretations, ignorant speculations on how I actually conduct my work is at best, very amusing. One ponders on why your voice does not wise up up a bit there.

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"I am proud to say that I will not lift one finger ( except my middle finger) for the WTBTS."

LOL!!@Zoe!!..
The WBT$ legal dept must have loved Garrett`s answer..
It`s a half truth at best..
To get to where Gerrit is now..
Coming up the Ranks..He would have had to answer to the WBT$,to the Last Word..
Now he "IS" the Last Word,he answers to no one..

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I know you understand, dear Sher'f (peace to you, luv!)



Well, now, if THAT is the purpose, then, well... okay, I guess. I did not get that is was, though. Although, it still seems a bit of the whole "returning evil FOR evil," thing to me. They instill fear, so let's put a little back in them.

Thing is, instilling a little (and it really is only a little) "fear" in the GB isn't going to change anything. Those dolts are figureheads, luv. Pompous, arrogant, self-assuming men who've seated themselves in the seat of Moses... only be TRULY be nothing more than puppet pawns being used by a business conglomerate to make its shareholders rich. And THOSE folks... ain't scared. No, THOSE folks are going to continue to "reinvent" the WTBTS/JW.org/1914... or whatever else they have to "reinvent" in order to keep their DIVIDENDS flowing.

And harassing (and it is harassing) the plebe at the front desk isn't going change THAT one bit. What it WILL do is simply give them more article/school/public talk "topics."

But to each his/her own.



I can see where you might think more lawsuits will lead to her end. Not sure about that, dear one. Religious leaders get caught in the ACT... or at least confess to acts... and the people they've lied to turn RIGHT around and excuse them. Think "Jimmy Swaggert." Ya'll have to understand: those RF who are LOYAL to the WTBTS will drink down ANYTHING they're told... and for ONE reason ONLY: in THEIR minds... THEY HAVE NO WHERE ELSE TO GO. The WTBTS is the LAST "stop" for them. Past that... there is no God. And most of them are NOT about to go there.

The WTBTS could come out TODAY and say, "We have a special meeting prepared that will test your faith," then hand out Kool-Aid, literally, AT that meeting... and the majority would DRINK. Even have their CHILDREN drink. IN SPITE of what occurred in Guayana with the Jim Jones' folks. Why? Because THEY ARE BLIND and so FORGET what they "saw" with THAT fiasco.

They WANT to be lied to. So, why not LET them be lied to? Why not seek out those who NO LONGER wish to be lied to and tell THEM the truth?

I'll tell you why, luv: because, sadly, folks come to realization that there aren't that of THOSE folks out there. And so, rather than concentrate on QUALITY, they focus on QUANTITY. Which is... wait for it... just another piece of WTBTS BAGGAGE: numbers mean "something." Means you're "right" and those with smaller numbers are "wrong." The more folks who/you can get to agree with you... the more that PROVES just how "right" you ARE. Of course, that totally disregards logic... because what of those with LARGER numbers than you (oh, I forgot: those are wrong, too, but for some different reason)...

The WTBTS is NOT going to go down because some "disgruntled" exes "expose" anything. How do I know? I ask you, luv, name ONE "christian" religion that HAS gone down for such a reason. Yet, look at ALL that has been exposed with ALL of them.

You want people to get out of her? Harrassing them isn't going to have that result (and thank you for sharing Cedars comments, dear Zoe - peace to you, as well - as they're really very accurate). Having "somewhere"... or someONE... to go away TO when COMING out... is what will. Some offer atheism as a "where." Some offer other religions. A few of us offer a "whom" - Christ. But that's not the point of my response.

My point is that hypocrisy never truly works. Sooner or later, that finger comes tight back around. As it is WITH the WTBTS. If, however, we engage in the EXACT same kind of conduct that we chide THEM for... it will come back around, sooner or later, to OUR detriment. Whether one believes in (a) God or not... THAT is a universal truth/law. What goes around DOES come around.

S'all I'm sayin'.

And I get it that you don't think you're one of us, dear Skalls (peace, chile'!), and in many ways, I agree. However, we are the same in that we have left the WTBTS... whether voluntarily or involuntarily. Certainly with our hearts and minds, if not our bodies. THAT is who I mean by "us" - those who are no longer a part of her. Now, if you disagree, then I have to take it to mean that you are still a part of her, which case, I will say that I "spoke" erroneously and so apologize.

K' enough of this topic, at least for me...

Peace, to you ALL!

A slave of Christ,

Shellamar

I loved the Cedars quote, Zoe, thanks for posting that. Particularly this:



Truth should be more than enough... yes... for those who SEEK truth. For those who WANT truth.

For those who want to be/continue to be lied to, the truth is something to cover your ears against, or to run away from.

But if you 'have' truth (or rather if you KNOW Truth), then you have NOTHING to be afraid OF, including opposition, challenges, and especially including questions and information/research/knowledge/education.



Peace to you all,
your sister and servant, and a slave of Christ,
tammy

Hey Shelby!

You make some very valid points..
Exposing the WBT$ is never going to take the WBT$ down..Ever!..

It will make some people rethink what they are doing there though..
Especially when the WBT$ Screws up..
Spotlighting continuous WBT$ screw ups,does not build up JW confidence..
Some will leave..Some will stay regardless..

I`ve still got JW family in..
I`ve still got JW Family trying to Recruit my family..
If I didn`t have a dog in this fight,I probably wouldn`t care as much..Maybe not at all..
Until then..
My personal War with the WBT$ JW Cult is not over..

.......................... ...OUTLAW

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I must add that I agree to what Shelby shared and the comment Zoe shared as well.

Sad but true, its not going to prove very successful just reinforce that we are all crazy apostates that are angry and we are venting it on them with what we have come to understand the WTBS to be.

What we must remember is that the WTBS WILL see her end! But not until ALL those that belong to Jah and Christ are "called out of her and they leave her" and come to THEM as their only husbandly owner.

It is THEN that Jah ..."Puts it into the heart of that beast to devastate the harlot." They do this by carrying out His (Jah) thought...Not our thought and game plan.
Revelation 17:15- chapter 18

So, it is not on OUR timetable but HIS! We must continue to pity them, praying for compassion and mercy upon its people. Of course we want them to wake up and see and Know Truth which IS Christ himself. But none can come to know the Son unless the Father draws them. John 6:44
It is not US that draws them. We are just instruments being used to share what we are given. And how we share does matter.

Thanks for all the comments, May you have peace this day,
Love, your sister and fellow slave of Christ, Kim