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Just got off phone w/ Public Information @ WTBTS/JW.ORG and talked to same man as i did w/ the arizona convention'battery' of roy spiers {at end of call, he said he recognized my voice and saidd that the write of this art went into detailsa bout your organizational structure and how the williamss isters are exempt because they MAY POSSIBLY donate charitably to this org, in huge sums. He said, thx for ur concerns...i said, if there was a forum on ur site to go to with this, i would have. HE SAID WE ARE WORKING ON THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I said, oh, i guesss more people have inquired about this lapse in ur structuring ur site. He said goodbye. lolololol

http://www.webpronews.com/venus-william ... ews%2Fall+

Venus Williams is posing nude for the 2014 issue of ESPN Body. Usually an announcement like that would be pretty normal fare when it comes to sports celebrities. Williams joins dozens of other sports stars who have posed nude or semi-nude for the annual magazine, out since 2009.

But Venus Williams’ appearance in the buff may warrant a closer look. The very first edition of Body, in 2009, featured her sister Serena, also nude. All the nudes for Body magazine are tastefully done. But the Williams sisters are raising eyebrows for their appearance for one simple reason.

The Williams sisters are Jehovah’s Witnesses. To anyone familiar with the Witness belief structure, this will cause some raised eyebrows. Jehovah’s Witnesses have a strict in-house judicial structure that would bring sanctions, including expulsion and shunning, down upon rank and file members who did something like pose nude for a magazine.

But Venus Williams doesn’t seem concerned. In fact, in this video feature about the nude appearance, she even mentions how her spirituality helps her in her life. She does not mention Jehovah’s Witnesses by name, but that is her affiliation.

Williams has also spoken in interviews in the past about her sex life. But she is unmarried. This is also something that would ordinarily result in the expulsion of a Witness member.

Are the Witnesses giving celebrities like Venus and Serena Williams a pass for their infractions? The answer may lie in how the Jehovah’s Witness structure works.

The Witnesses were formed in Pennsylvania in the late 1800′s by a religious writer named Charles Russell. He wrote books that claimed to interpret prophetic passages in the Bible, including using occult pyramidology practices in combination with Bible verses to predict the future.

Russell recruited people from among his readers into study groups and organized them into sales teams to promote his books. To this day, individual members of Jehovah’s Witnesses are still called “publishers”, hearkening back to this setup.

When Russell died, a large organization called the Watchtower Society continued to handle distribution of his many books, magazines, and tracts. The group used volunteer labor from among the faithful to do the printing, and still do to this day.

The company elected a new president who changed many things about the fledgling religion, including doing away with birthday celebrations, holidays, voting and military service, and instituting a top-down authority structure that still exists. Many people left. But the group survived, and that is what Jehovah’s Witnesses are today.

But one tenet of the Witness faith that comes to bear in the Williams sisters’ situation is that Witnesses are only beholden to the Watchtower organization once they have been baptized into the church. At the baptism ceremony, they vow loyalty to the Governing Body of the corporation.

The Witness Governing Body is a council of seven men who rule from Witness Headquarters in Brooklyn, New York. This Governing Body is the source of all doctrine and judicial direction for the church. Its members are appointed for life, though three men have resigned over the years, some of whom went on to write tell-all books about the secret meetings of the council.

Apparently, the Williams sisters, although they self-identify as Jehovah’s Witnesses, have never been baptized. Therefore, they are not, technically, members. And, therefore can not be put out according to traditional Witness judicial procedures.

So, Venus and Serena Williams are free to do whatever they like, just like the rest of the world. And they can claim to be Jehovah’s Witnesses. Many Witnesses like to point out that they count the Williams sisters among their number, as well as other celebs like Prince, bassist Larry Graham, and singer/guitarist George Benson.

But the Williams have a loophole.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UztstNJBbnU

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"I am proud to say that I will not lift one finger ( except my middle finger) for the WTBTS."

There's nothing like skin and scandal to perk up sales. Meanwhile, ESPN will laugh all the way to the bank. When Mammon calls, corporations (both for-profit and non) sit up and listen!

Well, what is interesting is how the writer of the art actually gives a good idea of what the structure is and why these women get away with such filth. I mean, why do they NEED to do such crap? It's ridiculous, in my opinion. It's a kin to prostitution to me. Take your clothes off, get paid. What's the diffy?

thx for ur feedback tire.

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"I am proud to say that I will not lift one finger ( except my middle finger) for the WTBTS."

I don't imagine that she does NEED to do it, but rather that she WANTS and chooses to model (in the buff, although all the parts that are supposed to be covered ARE covered) for that magazine. Not everyone thinks something like that is filth. I don't. Not my business even if I did think so. But if someone thinks that it is beautiful (the human body, in all its forms), then why would it be for them a matter of what they feel they NEED to do?

As for calling yourself a jw (without actually being baptized), and going ahead doing things that a jw would be df'd for doing... yeah, thats a bit of a double standard, lol. That is the people using the loopholes in the system to do what they want. It doesn't bother me as much as the 'system' using a double standard for those IN the system (such as favoring the rich (in wealth or power or connections), and condemning the poor)


Peace to you sKally,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

Filth? Seriously, dear Skals (peace to you!)? Why is the naked body 'filthy'?



Because (1) they're celebrities, (2) they're athletes, and (3) they're in fantastic physical shape due to BEING athletes, and (4) ESPN isn't in the business of losing money and putting less than "perfect" physical specimens on their cover won't help sell magazines??

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Interesting. But I mean, isn't that what athletes and athleticism is all about, luv: the PHYSICAL?



Seriously? I mean, I'm not into athleticism much at all, but I can't see how this correlates with prostitution. They're just bodies. Physical vessels. We all have them. Some that appear to look better than others. But that's in the eye of the beholder, yes? Praise JAH, He doesn't look at ANY of our vessels. If He did, some of us would be in some deep trouble - LOLOL!



No sex? I mean, I thought prostitution involved SOME kind of sex (act). (Funny, many wives give sex purely for monetary/material gain. Versus love. Yet, they're not considered prostitutes. Isn't that kind of hypocritical?)

Anyway, I mean, folks were the skimpiest of swimsuits these days. In some areas, no swimsuit. In some parts of the world, women are topless 24/7. And men are pretty bottomless. They have no shame for this because, well, they are intelligent (if not "civilized") enough to realize, again, we ALL have such vessels. What truly is the point in hiding something EVERYONE else has?

Our society thinks they're hiding... because it wears clothing. Cheah... right. SO much going on BEHIND our apparel, though, yes? And I don't mean our pants. I mean inside our vessels... in our HEARTS.

Believe me: those girls exposure is nothing. There is a LOT more REAL filth going on inside some of the most FULLY clothed folks in the world. Particularly those who lead in religion. Of which the WTBTS is among the leaders.

We don't want to BE judged as to ANYTHING ("Who are you/is he to judge ME?!")... but we always tend to find it totally acceptable to judge others... even those we don't know at ALL... simply because they're celebrities. Not sure it's fair to consider folks who excel at sports, acting, art, whatever, targets of judging. That someone is good at something... a sport, drama, sculpting, science, academics... what have you... such that the rest of the world desires to see them perform their trade/skill... makes them automatically above reproach... or someone WE are entitled to hold out as "role models"... always baffles me. Because one's skills are not necessarily indicative of one's character. One way OR the other.

That one is good at baseball doesn't mean their moral. That one is good at tennis doesn't mean their immoral. That one keeps on their clothes doesn't mean they're moral. That one takes off their clothes doesn't mean they're immoral. Regardless, we all have something we would have to answer for. If it was only taking off my clothes, well... I'd prolly run around naked more often! LOLOL!

I just dislike who these two girls are somehow the poster children for Jehovah's Witnesses. None of us have ever spoken to them so as to know how they TRULY feel about the cult. Maybe they make their claim solely for their mother's piece of mind. Folks do that - live double lives for the sake of those they love. Happens all the time.

This is all about personal perspective, luv. I mean, I don't think you'd have the same problem if it was the cover of, say, National Geographic... and showing a woman from the deep Amazon, who has on nothing but a nose-bone and beads. And SHE probably got paid peanuts.

Not sure why this bothered me so... except perhaps that I just don't think it's fair to judge anyone on something like taking off their clothes. Even worse, IMHO, to judge someone who isn't REALLY a JW (else, they WOULD be baptized... right?)... for doing things that real JWs aren't "allowed" to do.

Now, your clothes off to provide married men lap dances... without their wives' permission... THAT's something else entire, IMHO.

Ah, well... we each have our POVs on stuff like this.

Peace!

Your servant and a slave of Christ,

Shellamar

well geez tammy, of course the human body is glorious. Yet, why the need to do such things, publically? There must be a hidden 'pay off'.

And yes, it is your opinion, as was mine that it IS filth to publically get naked, for money and then sell the pix for more money...where i am sure some is donated to wt org.

So, ok...her body is "beautiful". So is mine!! Should i take my clothes off for money then sell those photos for more money? What does that sound like to you?

Sounds like good ol' fashioned prostitution to me. You are aware of just how blatant prostitution is right? All those video girls that do all those nasty, soft pornographic music videos....get paid to wear as little clothing as possible and move in all sorts of sexual ways, and gets PAID FOR DOING SEXUAL VIDEOS [i cannot even believe half the videos on mtv are even legal...but if it makes mo money....mtv has no problem. NEITHER DOES OUR SICK A!! WORLD OF PERVS WE LIVE AND BREATHE LIFE WITH...THEY LOVE IT.]

And there does not seem to be anyone doing much about our children watching this mess. You even hear "thank you lord for all these [perverted] blessing bestowed upon me today!!! A-[MEN]!

Should I digress at this point?

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Seriously Shelby, you have, what is becoming, an annoying reading comprehensive skills problem when you indulge yourself with my posts.

Pay attention please.

If this continues, I may just have to start just absolutely skipping over your posts addressed to or in relation to what I write. You understand, that would be best for both of us.

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"I am proud to say that I will not lift one finger ( except my middle finger) for the WTBTS."

I consider them prostitutes Shelby. Now what?

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Now this, luv (peace!), although I realized you addressed dear tams (peace to you, as well!), if you will indulge me:



Technically, yes. But I think that depends on the society. I mean, it's not like serial rapists get on planes and head to the Amazon...



Some consider it art, luv. Folks like Michaelangelo did. And those who admire his work certainly do. Ever seen his "David." Or "Pieta"?



I don't think Michaelangelo's models were clothed. Or that he sculpted for free. Or that he intended his pieces to be hidden away. Shoot, tens of thousands view HIS naked works... DAILY.



So, is THAT what's (truly) buggin' you here? Why not address that, rather than (attempt to) judge the conduct of folks you don't even know? I mean, that, too, is merely speculation, but it's prolly likely (else, the WTBTS would be a LOT more vocal... and condemnatory, we all know).



Well, girl, if you WANT to... who of us can judge you? You're a FREE moral agent... and if YOUR conscience says it's cool... what should you care what anyone ELSE thinks? Who would you be offended? God? But, wait... Other people who find such offensive? What, though, of those who find, say, what YOU do offensive? Should you stop just because they do?



What, you taking off your clothes for money? Honestly, it depends on how much you'd get paid. If a lot, I'd say its sound financially genius. On the other hand, if maybe not so much, I'd say it sounds (a bit) pathetic.



Yeah, but c'mon: "ol' fashioned" once considered showing one's ankles as tantamount to harlotry. Imagine what a two-piece swimsuit would'a done to your great grandmother's mind. Let alone a string bikini! LOLOL!



Yeah, but... wouldn't BE no girls doin' NUTHIN'... if there weren't folks out there BUYIN' "it." Yes? Where there's no DEMAND, my dear, there need be no supply.



Dear Skals, I hate to be the one to break it to you... but what you are calling sick... is actually quite normal for our world. Trust me, there is WAY more going on on this planet in the way of sex, including sexual deviance, that you may have a clue as to.



Yes, yes. And the "righteous" religious... with THEIR message of piety... is SO much better.

I get it, girl: you want to protect the children. I totally get that. Unfortunately, you have a great big wide world to clean up if you plan to make a dent. May I suggest you consider including things like violent video games and cartoons (like those with talking blue little people who are "demonized" - LOLOL!... as well as magazines that most children don't even know exist let alone the name of?



I mean, if you think you should... but you didn't get that from me.

Peace, girl... and allow yourself to chill a bit. WAY more problems in our world... and for our children... than a tennis star showing a lot of skin. It is, after, just skin.

Peace!

Your servant and a slave of Christ,

Shellamar

If you think it best, dear girl (peace!). But I don't think you're as clear in your comments, sometimes, as perhaps you think you are. Even I'm unclear sometimes. Happens. I don't get all offended when someone doesn't understand me. I just to clarify further. And without blaming them for NOT understanding "what I thought I meant when I said what I thought I said I meant."

Capiche?

Do as you see fit, dear Skals. You know that's always been my advice to you.

Peace... truly!

Your servant and a slave of Christ,

Shellamar

Who says there must be a hidden pay-off? Maybe some want to be part of something that they, themselves, find beautiful? What is the difference between modeling in the nude (albeit being covered), and modeling in general? Or modeling in Victoria's secret?

Again, why do you call it a need? Why not just a want? A choice? I love this magazine, I would love to be part of it?



How is if filth? What makes it filth?

It is modeling... someone posing for art (a painting) in the nude also gets paid for modeling. Models get dressed in skimpy clothes that might show more than these ones, and get paid. Plus, some of the pics in this magazine are really funny. A basketball player in the bath, arms and legs stretched out, with soap bubbles covering his privates. I laughed, and I believe that was the intended response.

I don't even know why you would make it your business to call it filth.




Sounds like your business.



Prostitution is prostitution, ol' fashioned or not. Although I don't know what that means (ol' fashioned). The definition has not changed. Money in exchange for sex (sexual acts). Nude modeling is not prostitution. (Neither are sexual music vidoes)

I don't know skally. Don't those women have the right to do what they want, especially if they don't have the same hang-ups as others do regarding their bodies and their business?

"Filth" is on the inside, often covered up and hidden.

Hubby home, and gotta go... will get back to the rest after!


Peace again to you!
Your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

yes tammy they have every right to it....and i voiced an opinion that I, MY SELF AND I ALONE FIND IT TO BE FILTHY TO TAKE OFF UR CLOTHES FOR PUBLIC VIEWING, AND TO BE PAID FOR IT. It is an opinion that is my business to state.

The fact that their naked bodies will bring in money for the org they believe in, is even more filthy. It's sick. So, future victims, such as conti, will be paid with 'dirty money' from the williams sister, as her sidekick did this in '09.

I don't care if you agree or not.

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Yes, ART....ART OF DECEPTION.

I barely read the rest.

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"I am proud to say that I will not lift one finger ( except my middle finger) for the WTBTS."

I wonder...

If they actually got paid (in cash)
If they gave any of such pay to the WTBTS (if they got paid)... or
If perhaps they did something else with it (i.e., gave it some real charity).

Since we don't KNOW... accusing them of anything... especially something negative... when we DON'T KNOW... COULD be "bearing FALSE witness" against someone. I mean, cause it's really just speculation. Isn't it?

Again, I get it that it chaps your hide that some MIGHT be going to the WTBTS, dear Skals (peace!). Make sense that it would. BUT... since you don't know... FER SURE... that it did/has/is/will...

I mean, just like THEY don't know what YOU do with YOUR money. Right?

Peace, luv. Truly. This really shouldn't be that much of a concern for you. Given that you're really only speculating and all.

Your servant and a slave of Christ,

Shellamar

maybe u shouldnt concern urself with what i concern my SELF with. try that.

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