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 Post subject: WHOSE VOICE?
PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2014 11:20 pm 
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Peace to you ALL this evening....

John 14:6. " I am the Way, the Truth and the Life, NOONE comes to the Father except through ME."

The article below is just another example of how this organization bypasses Joseph/ CHRIST and tries to go straight to Pharaoh/ Jah.

They have completely avoided the means that Jah uses to communicate with us. They partially mention that in Bible history Jah communicated by means of prophets, angels, visions and dreams but avoid the rest of the verse that is recorded ( and they don't mentions this verse at all) in Hebrews 1:1-4...

...Who has at the end of these days spoken to us by means of A SON, whom he appointed heir of all things...

Matthew 17:5 "This is my Son, the beloved whom I have approved; LISTEN to him."



Jah guides his people by means of CHRIST not the Bible.

John 10:1-27 ...27 " My sheep LISTEN to MY VOICE and I know them, and they FOLLOW ME."


And once again the threat of listening to the so called " faithful slave" which is the governing body instead of CHRIST because our lives depend on it.

May any still in her be given the ears to hear our Lords voice to " Get out of her" so as not to continue to share with her in her sins and receive her plagues.
And anyone who is wishing and thirsting, COME take life's water, Holy Spirit from our Lord and savior Jaheshua MischaJah who is this Spirit FREE!!!!

Love you sister and fellow servant of CHRIST, Kim

Watchtower study article August 2014

Hear Jehovah’s Voice Wherever You Are


“Your own ears will hear a word behind you saying, ‘This is the way.’”—ISA. 30:21.

HOW WOULD YOU ANSWER?
How does Satan try to drown out the voice of Jehovah?
What inclinations of the heart can interfere with our listening to Jehovah?
What must we do to receive God’s guidance?
1, 2. How does Jehovah communicate with his servants?
THROUGHOUT Bible history, individuals received guidance from Jehovah by various means. To some, God spoke through angels or by means of visions or dreams, thus revealing to them what would happen in the future. Jehovah also gave them specific work assignments. (Num. 7:89; Ezek. 1:1; Dan. 2:19) Others received direction through Jehovah’s human representatives serving in the earthly part of his organization. No matter how Jehovah’s people received his word, those who followed his instructions were blessed.

2 Today, Jehovah guides his people by means of the Bible, his holy spirit, and the congregation. (Acts 9:31; 15:28; 2 Tim. 3:16, 17) The guidance that we receive from him is so clear that it is as if ‘our own ears hear a word behind us saying: “This is the way. Walk in it.”’ (Isa. 30:21) In effect, Jesus also conveys Jehovah’s voice to us as he directs the congregation through “the faithful and discreet slave.” (Matt. 24:45) We need to take this guidance and direction seriously, for our everlasting life depends on our obedience.—Heb. 5:9.


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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2014 12:51 am 
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Absolutely agree with you Kim. They have usurped Christ's position without shame or apology.

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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2014 6:31 am 
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There is only one voice we follow, that of Our Lord.
We must never confuse that with deciding to follow the views of others.
When people followed Peter or Paul or James, they did so by the grace of the HS, not simply because they were who they were.
The people believed the Gospel, they believed what was being preached NOT because of WHO was preaching it but because the HS opened their ears to Our Lord's voice in the words of his apostles.

We do NOT follow anyone other than Our Lord and His voice.
ALL those that hear Him, and believe and have faith in Him are sealed by the HS.
All that believe that Our Lord came in the flesh, that He died and was resurrected and will come again, all those believe because of the HS and ALL are annotated by the HS.
ALL of US.

Open your hearts and ears to Our Lord and understand that He is all we need.


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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2014 9:49 am 
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Basically, that article makes it a ZERO possibility that anyone could hear the voice of Christ, because according to that article, Christ only directs the congregation and 'faithful and discreet slave', and does not "speak" to anyone else. Even though they do not claim that He actually speaks to them either, but rather that he 'directs' them. Somehow... ?


And of course no mention of His words, "MY sheep hear my voice"; or like you said, Justmom... no mention of the the verses at Hebrews, and Matt 17:5.


Peace to you!
Your sister and servant, and fellow slave of Christ,
tammy


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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2014 10:10 am 
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Good morning PaulS..

Love and peace to you my brother,

Yes, although our Lords voice is the only voice we need listen to and our faith in him is essential, we must also remain obedient to what his own words say as to remaining in union with him.

Luke 6:46-49 " Why do you then call me Lord but do not DO the things I say?"
John6:48-59 " He that feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood REMAINS in union with me."

Matthew 22:14 " There are MANY invited, FEW chosen."

Which is why Peter mentions that we need to make our calling and choosing SURE.
WE must remain IN HIM or it can be taken away.

So although there are many as disciples ( believers) that have faith and believe in CHRIST and that he was resurrected, not ALL are anointed by Holy Spirit. It is our Lord who dispenses it to whom he wishes and in Matthew it is not everyone. Although everyone is invited...


Thank you for sharing
Love your sister and fellow slave of CHRIST, Kim


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You can NOT believe and have faith in Christ ( that He came in the flesh, died for us and was resurrected and will come again) without the HS.
And if you have the HS then you are anointed.

1 Corinthians 12:3
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
3 Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus is accursed”; and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.

Ephesians 1:13
13 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise,

To name just two.


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You can NOT believe and have faith in Christ ( that He came in the flesh, died for us and was resurrected and will come again) without the HS.


And yet didn't Christ say "Even the demons believe and shudder....but...." So therefore we know that believing isn't enough on its own?

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There are also many sheep who may or may not have been believers in Matthew 25:31-46 that were not anointed with Holy Spirit, not Christs brothers, but they are granted everlasting life in the kingdom just by doing GOOD to Christ anointed brothers.

....to the extent you did it to the least of these my brothers, you did it to ME.

So being a believer does not necessarily make one anointed with Holy Spirit.

Love and peace to you,
Your sister and fellow servant of Christ, Kim


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PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2014 5:55 am 
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Loz wrote:
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You can NOT believe and have faith in Christ ( that He came in the flesh, died for us and was resurrected and will come again) without the HS.


And yet didn't Christ say "Even the demons believe and shudder....but...." So therefore we know that believing isn't enough on its own?

Loz x


Of course the demons believe as do the fallen ones, what is your point?
If belief is not enough, then what is?
Deeds?
If we are saved by what we do then why did Christ have to die?
If we are saved by works then what Christ did means nothing.

Belief is all we truly have because it is FROM the HS, the rest we can have ultior motives and intent ( in our deeds) but belief is faith and faith is hope.

Now, does that mean we don't have to do anything?

It means that FROM that belief and Our Lord IN US, come actions of love, not because we have to BUT because we want to out of love for Our Lord.

No man can boost over another that their they have done ANYTHING worthy of salvation, because they have NOT.

Our Lord has done everything for US.


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Justmom wrote:
There are also many sheep who may or may not have been believers in Matthew 25:31-46 that were not anointed with Holy Spirit, not Christs brothers, but they are granted everlasting life in the kingdom just by doing GOOD to Christ anointed brothers.

....to the extent you did it to the least of these my brothers, you did it to ME.

So being a believer does not necessarily make one anointed with Holy Spirit.

Love and peace to you,
Your sister and fellow servant of Christ, Kim


Careful know, are you suggesting "works based salvation"?

The parable of the sheep and goats can be viewed TWO ways:
1) it refers to those that say they believe but did not accordingly ( and as such the HS was NOT int them) - remember SAYING you believe and believing are two very different things.
2) it refers to the judgment of those that did not believe and as such will be judged by their actions and not their faith.

See John 5:

24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.

25 Truly, truly, I say to you, an hour is coming and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live. 26 For just as the Father has life in Himself, even so He gave to the Son also to have life in Himself; 27 and He gave Him authority to execute judgment, because He is the Son of Man. 28 Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice, 29 and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.


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PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2014 11:00 am 
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PSacramento wrote:
Justmom wrote:
There are also many sheep who may or may not have been believers in Matthew 25:31-46 that were not anointed with Holy Spirit, not Christs brothers, but they are granted everlasting life in the kingdom just by doing GOOD to Christ anointed brothers.

....to the extent you did it to the least of these my brothers, you did it to ME.

So being a believer does not necessarily make one anointed with Holy Spirit.

Love and peace to you,
Your sister and fellow servant of Christ, Kim


Careful know, are you suggesting "works based salvation"?

The parable of the sheep and goats can be viewed TWO ways:
1) it refers to those that say they believe but did not accordingly ( and as such the HS was NOT int them) - remember SAYING you believe and believing are two very different things.
2) it refers to the judgment of those that did not believe and as such will be judged by their actions and not their faith.

See John 5:

24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.

25 Truly, truly, I say to you, an hour is coming and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live. 26 For just as the Father has life in Himself, even so He gave to the Son also to have life in Himself; 27 and He gave Him authority to execute judgment, because He is the Son of Man. 28 Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice, 29 and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.



Good morning Paul....

I am not saying a " work based salvation" but if we truly have faith in CHRIST and say that we LOVE him we will be obedient to HIM and what he tells us to do as part of his body. In this way you cannot NOT produce fruitage/ works/ deeds.

" Why do you call me Lord and not DO the things I say?"


James 2:18 " Show me your faith apart from your works, and I will show you my faith by my works."

Those in Matthew 7:21-23 are among those that do believe and have faith, but were not doing our Lords will but their own. He says, " Not everyone calling me Lord will enter into the kingdom but the one DOING the will of my Father who is in the heavens will. Many asked didn't we prophecy IN YOUR NAME and expel demons IN YOUR NAME and perform many powerful works IN YOUR NAME yet.....
He says, Get away from me you workers of lawlessness. "

They had faith in the power of that name. Yet used it for their own personal gain.

Those in John 5: 25-30 that are mentioned in the resurrection says those that are resurrected to life are those that did good deeds and those that are resurrected to judgement are because their deeds were wicked. So there are some deeds/ works that are manifested by faith. It is whose will we are doing? Ours or His?

Peace and love to you my brother
Your sister and fellow slave of Christ, Kim


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Some misunderstand "grace" (peace to you, all!), believing it is bestowed simply "cause." And in some instances that is true. But not in most. We must "do works befitting salvation." Noah BUILT the Ark. Abraham uprooted and dwelled in tents. Then offered UP Isaac. Rahab HID the spies. The woman with the flow of blood TOUCHED our dear Lord's robe. Etc.

I recently heard something that made me appreciate this word a little more:

"'Justice'... is when we GET what we DESERVE. 'Mercy'... is when we don't GET what we DESERVE. 'Grace'... is when we GET what we DON'T DESERVE."

Through His Son, the HOLY One of Israel and Holy Spirit, JAHESHUA, the Chosen One of JAH (MischaJAH)... ALL of these are fulfilled in those who belong to that One, by the MOST HOLY One of Israel, JAH of Armies, Himself. ALL of these:

Justice - Revelation 6:9, 10
Mercy - Romans 8:1
Grace - Revelation 5:9, 10

I hope this helps!

Peace!

YSSFS of Christ,

Shellamar


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IF we do ANY good deeds, then it is NOT us doing them, but Our Lord in Us.

I rarely throw around the term "true believer" simply because NO ONE can make that call but Christ.
That said, I caution ANYONE thinking that deeds somehow make it sure that we or anyone has the HS.
We can NOT judge who has and who doesn't have the HS in them, only Christ can.
Do not think that deeds are somehow a "benchmark" or a way of knowing this, because they are not.

Yes, James makes the comment that about showing faith via works BUT we KNOW that doesn't always tell us the real picture.

If we simply say that good deeds is what grants us salvation then his sacrifice, our belief in Him is what for?

Of course I am not suggesting that we do nothing, my point is that anything we do is because of Christ and the HS in Us, NOT that we do these things to GET the HS.


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AGuest wrote:
Some misunderstand "grace" (peace to you, all!), believing it is bestowed simply "cause." And in some instances that is true. But not in most. We must "do works befitting salvation." Noah BUILT the Ark. Abraham uprooted and dwelled in tents. Then offered UP Isaac. Rahab HID the spies. The woman with the flow of blood TOUCHED our dear Lord's robe. Etc.

I recently heard something that made me appreciate this word a little more:

"'Justice'... is when we GET what we DESERVE. 'Mercy'... is when we don't GET what we DESERVE. 'Grace'... is when we GET what we DON'T DESERVE."

Through His Son, the HOLY One of Israel and Holy Spirit, JAHESHUA, the Chosen One of JAH (MischaJAH)... ALL of these are fulfilled in those who belong to that One, by the MOST HOLY One of Israel, JAH of Armies, Himself. ALL of these:

Justice - Revelation 6:9, 10
Mercy - Romans 8:1
Grace - Revelation 5:9, 10

I hope this helps!

Peace!

YSSFS of Christ,

Shellamar



There are NO WORKS befitting salvation, nothing we do is good enough to save us BECAUSE we are doing it TO save ourselves.
Noah didn't build the ark to save himself, He was already saved and build it because God told him to.
Abe's faith in God was not proven by his willingness to sacrifice Isaac, it was prown BEFORE that when God has already chosen him.

Grace is the ultimate expression of love and forgiveness and if it can be earned, it doesn't mean much anymore.

If we could earn our salvation based on "good works" or works worthy of salvation ( whatever that means), why did our Lord Have to come in the fleash, die and be resurrected to draw us ALL ( those that believe) to Him?


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Not saying anything can be earned, dear P (peace, luv!)... but I would exhort you to reread the 11th Chapter of the letter to the Hebrews as to why Noah and others did what they did. Had Noah not built the ark, he AND his household would have perished in the Flood along with everyone else. Because remember, the water covered the entire earth. Where, then, could they have hidden?

His BUILDING the ark, however, was the "works" that DEMONSTRATED his faith. SHOWED that he BELIEVED what JAH had told him was going to occur. He didn't wait for it to begin raining to start building. He didn't even wait for it to start raining to go inside and have the door closed behind him BY JAH.

His FAITH in what TOLD him is what prompted him to build... AND to go inside. Because in either instance he COULD have said, "Wait, Lord - How do I KNOW it's going to rain/flood?" especially when it still WASN'T raining when he and his family WENT it. They were IN the ark for SEVEN days before the rains came.

BUT... he KNEW... they were GOING to come. Why? Because he had FAITH... IN JAH... and so in what JAH had TOLD him.

He DEMONSTRATED that faith... by building. That building... was his "works." He way of saying, "I BELIEVE you, Lord. I have NO doubt that what YOU say will occur... is TRUE and WILL occur. So... I'm going to LISTEN to your words and DO just as you've directed me."

And BECAUSE he DID... and not just SAID he believed that what JAH had told him was true and would occur... he AND his household... were saved. When no other humans were.

Faith... WITHOUT works to DEMONSTRATE that faith... while perhaps faith... is not faith "to the PRESERVING ALIVE of the soul." Hence, it is DEAD. Because those who have such faith... that which is WITHOUT works to MANIFEST the faith... are dead. They won't receive life.

Now, one does not RECEIVE life BECAUSE of such works, PER SE. One received life... because of the FAITH... that PROMPTED them to DO works "befitting of [their] faith." If our dear Lord says to me, "Go inside your house because I'm going to bring a denunciation," and I say, "I BELIEVE you, Lord, that you WILL bring such,"... yet, I don't take my hiney INSIDE... well... ummmm... HOW is it that I can BE saved? Have I not just been DISOBEDIENT? Which is sin?

Take Rahab. She BELIEVED that the God of the Israelites was the True God. What, though, if she hadn't places the red cord outside the window of her house? What if she had just said, "Yeah, I believe the True God is with you people, but I don't think I need to put a cord out. He knows who I am and where I live, so I don't need to do anything."

And SO many others, many of whom are mentioned in Chapter 11 of the letter to the Hebrews. Please... reread Hebrews Chapter 11. Then consider rereading the account regarding EACH person mentioned there.

I hope that helps, truly.

Again, peace to you!

YSSFS of Christ,

Shellamar


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