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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2014 4:02 pm 
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The New WBT$ Donation Arrangement/ JW Kingdom Hall Bank Account Theft..
Is a very Hot Topic right now..
The WBT$ is literally going to clean out Kingdom Hall bank accounts,filled with Donations from JWS..
That THEFT is going to happen World Wide..The WBT$ is going to Steal from 7 Million plus JW`s..

There are JW Elders ,that know whats going on..
They "SERVE" in Kingdom Halls,they are "SUPPOSED" to be looking after the Welfare of the Average JW..
They Know there is a 4 page letter,only one page will be read to the congregation..The rest will be Kept Secret..
They know the WBT$ is about to Steal JW Donations..On a World Wide Scale!!!..

I Would Like To Know What You Active JW Elders Are Going To Do About This??!!..
Are you going to let "YOUR" Congregation know about the other 3 secret pages?..
Are you going to let your Fellow JW`s know they are being Robbed by the WBT$?!..
Are you going to be an Accomplice in this Theft by Saying Nothing/Doing Nothing?!..
This is Your Chance as JW Elders to Protect your Fellow JW`s..
You literally have a Kingdom Hall Stage to do it from..

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Nicely done! {thumbs UP} !

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While I am personally against the new arrangement for obvious reasons, the vast majority of JWs, including elders, see no problem with this as they see it as all part of one big organization. So to them it's no big deal to send all their money to HQ.

My wife said to me the other night when we were discussing this: "It's not YOUR organization". I didn't say it, but I thought to myself: "But it IS MY money!"


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the vast majority of JWs, including elders, see no problem with this as they see it as all part of one big organization.
So to them it's no big deal to send all their money to HQ.....leaving_quietly


Your absolutely right..But..My thread isn`t about any of those people..

I`m addressing every Active JW Elder who frequents exJW forms and Knows Better..
Are they Willing to tell their Congregations,3pages of a 4page letter is being Kept Secret from them?!..
Are Active JW Elders willing to tell their Fellow JW Friends and Family,the WBT$ is Stealing JW Donated Money?!..
The WBT$ intends to raid every Kingdom Hall bank account on the Planet..

JW Elders Who Know whats Happening..
Have an obligation to protect their Congregations from Theft,by the WBT$..
JW Elders Who Know whats Happening..
Have an Obligation to inform the JWs they`re supposed to be protecting..

I`m really interested in Knowing..
Will the Active JW Elders who know whats going on,do the right thing?!..

It must suck..
When your Mrs Gives a Multi-Billion dollar Organization your hard earned cash..
The truth is..
The WBT$ is going to expect a monthly pledge from her now..
It`s all part of the new WBT$ Donation arrangement..
She will have to come up with that cash every month..Every Month!..
I feel for you..
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leaving_quietly wrote:
While I am personally against the new arrangement for obvious reasons, the vast majority of JWs, including elders, see no problem with this as they see it as all part of one big organization. So to them it's no big deal to send all their money to HQ.

My wife said to me the other night when we were discussing this: "It's not YOUR organization". I didn't say it, but I thought to myself: "But it IS MY money!"



Unfortunately and so sadly this is true dear LQ,

And fulfills just another part of what is written in Jeremiah 5:29-31,

" Should I not hold an accounting because of these very things is the utterance of Jah, or on a nation that is like this should not my soul avenge itself? An astonishing situation, even a horrible thing has been brought to be in the land. The prophets themselves actually prophesy in falsehood and as for the priests they go subduing according to their OWN powers. And my people have LOVED IT that way, and what will you men do in the finale of it?"


They continually do what they want, how they want and to who they want.....and the people ( sheep) just LOVE it that way.

It is only until they ASK for our Lord to open their eyes and ears to see and hear HIM so that they will understand what this organization is all about...

Thanks for sharing,
Love and peace to you ALL Kim


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I have a question, because i don't know anything about the donation arrangement in the wts.

So... are they stealing?

What I mean is... when people donate, are they donating to something specific, and now that is not going to be respected? Or are people just giving money to be used as the wts deems necessary, anyway?


Just curious, thanks!

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Hey Tammy!..

Kingdom Hall bank accounts are for each individual Kingdom hall..
It`s used as expense money..Heat,lights,repairs..Ect..ect..
Some kingdom Halls have pretty good bank accounts..Thats about to change..
The WBT$ has informed JW`s they can only keep three months of THEIR OWN MONEY for bills..
The rest is to be donated to the WBT$..
The WBT$ is literally demanding money they have no right to..
Congregations used to vote on how much of THEIR MONEY they would send the WBT$..Not any more..
Now Your supposed to just hand over any Cash,over a certain amount..
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Every Household is now being asked to pledge Money..
That pledge will be expected from you every month..

The WBT$ is no longer hiding..
"It`s all About the Money"..
They are making it very CLEAR,they want Your Cash..
They want every dime they can squeeze out of you..
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Interesting Outlaw, thanks.

So what do the individual congregations not know that the elders do know?


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I`m addressing every Active JW Elder who frequents exJW forms and Knows Better..


Yeah, I got that after the second read through your post Outlaw. (I only skimmed it on the first pass... LOL!) I don't think there are any active elders here that could comment. I saw your post over on JWN, too. It's a good call-out.


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leaving_quietly..
No I don`t think we have any elders here posting but,we may have some Reading/Lurking..

Tammy..
This is the letter the WBT$ Sent out..
Only the First page is to be read to the congregation..
The other 3 Pages are to be kept secret..

(Thanks to "JW Survey" for all 4 pages of letter.)

***PAGE ONE***

March 29, 2014
TO ALL CONGREGATIONS
Re: Adjustment to financing Kingdom Hall and Assembly Hall construction worldwide

Dear Brothers:

On September 1, 1983, the Kingdom Hall Fund was created to help finance the increasing need for Kingdom Halls. For more than 30 years, this arrangement has served to expand the construction of Kingdom Halls worldwide in a tremendous way by means of Regional Building Committees and the program for lands with limited resources. Having sufficient, adequate places of worship is vital, as Jehovah continues to ‘speed up’ the gathering of “a mighty nation.” (Isa. 60:22) In order to meet these ever-increasing needs, the Governing Body has directed that an adjustment be made in the way Kingdom Hall and Assembly Hall construction projects are financed.

In harmony with the principle at 2 Corinthians 8:12-14, congregations will now be asked to pool their resources worldwide to support the construction of theocratic facilities wherever they are needed. Congregations and Assembly Halls will no longer be asked to repay a loan, and use of the separate contribution box labeled “Kingdom Hall Construction Worldwide” has been discontinued. Instead, all congregations will have the opportunity to support Kingdom Hall and Assembly Hall construction worldwide by resolving to make a monthly donation from congregation funds. If individual publishers wish to donate specifically to support Kingdom Hall and Assembly Hall construction worldwide, such donations will be accepted gladly and used wisely by the branch office. From now on, all funding for approved projects will be provided by the branch office from the funds that have been donated by you dear brothers and sisters.

The need for Kingdom Halls and Assembly Halls is greater than ever before. At this time, over 13,000 Kingdom Hall projects and 35 Assembly Hall projects are needed worldwide. Much of this need is in parts of the world where the cost of property and building materials is high. A tremendous amount of funds is needed to care for this work. However, we are confident that Jehovah will provide what is needed by your generous support. Time and again we have seen this take place. For example, it has been 24 years since we began offering literature under the donation arrangement, yet Jehovah’s blessing on this adjustment has been obvious. We are confident that by means of Jehovah’s continued blessing and the generosity of the worldwide brotherhood, the new arrangement for financing Kingdom Hall and Assembly Hall construction will be a success as well.—1 Chron. 29:11-14; Ps. 127:1.

May Jehovah continue to richly bless your hard work and loyal service as you generously support Kingdom interests.

Your brothers,

Christian Congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses
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The rest of this letter is "NOT" to be read to the congregation..
R/F JW`s will never see this Information as demanded by the WBT$..


**PAGE TWO***

Re: Adjustment to financing Kingdom Hall and Assembly Hall construction worldwide March 29, 2014 Page 2

PS to body of elders:

At the Service Meeting for the week of April 28, 2014, the congregation should be informed that use of the contribution box labeled “Kingdom Hall Construction Worldwide” will be discontinued on May 1, 2014. and that further information will be provided at the following Service Meeting. This letter should be read to the congregation during the local needs part on the Service Meeting for the week of May 5, 2014. (Congregations having an assembly the week of May 5 should have the letter read the following week.) This postscript should not be read to the congregation, and this letter should not be posted on the information board. After the reading of the letter, either a resolution should be presented to the congregation or the survey described below should be taken. The December 7, 2009, letter to all congregations should be removed from the congregation permanent file of policy letters and be destroyed. Updated congregation accounting instructions and forms will begin to be provided in May 2014.

Resolved donations: All congregations are asked to establish a monthly resolved donation to support Kingdom Hall and Assembly Hall construction worldwide by no later than May 31, 2014.

• What amount should be used for this new resolved monthly donation?
The elders in congregations currently making loan repayments would likely propose a resolution that is at least the same amount as the current monthly loan repayment, keeping in mind that donations will no longer be received from the “Kingdom Hall Construction Worldwide” contribution box. The elders in congregations without loans or those having standing resolutions to support Kingdom Hall construction worldwide should take a confidential survey of all publishers to determine the amount of the new resolution. This can be done by passing out slips of paper to be filled out anonymously by the publishers indicating how much they are able to contribute monthly toward local congregation expenses, including the resolution to support Kingdom Hall and Assembly Hall construction worldwide. At the time the survey is taken, it may be helpful to also review with the congregation the average monthly operating expenses that need to be covered.

Elders should review this resolution annually in May to ensure the amount is what the congregation is realistically able to donate on a monthly basis. For example, there may be a significant increase or decrease in the number of publishers in the congregation, or the local economic conditions may appreciably improve or deteriorate, thus affecting the amount that the congregation can reasonably contribute. If necessary, the elders may take a new financial survey, as described above, to determine whether the resolved monthly contribution to Kingdom Hall and Assembly Hall construction worldwide should be adjusted for the coming year.

• What should be done with other existing resolutions?
Any previous resolution to support Kingdom Hall construction should be discontinued. All other resolutions, such as those for contributing to the worldwide work, the Convention Fund, the Traveling Overseer Assistance Arrangement, and the Kingdom Hall Assistance Arrangement, should continue to be honored. Where more than one congregation shares a Kingdom Hall, resolutions to contribute to a shared Kingdom

***PAGE THREE***

Re: Adjustment to financing Kingdom Hall and Assembly Hall construction worldwide March 29,2014 Page 3

Hall operating account to cover the operating costs, minor renovations, and repairs may be adjusted as needed.

• How should this new resolved amount be submitted to the branch office?
Each congregation should establish its own resolution to contribute to Kingdom Hall and Assembly Hall construction worldwide and submit the resolved amount with its monthly remittance to the branch office. These resolved amounts should not be submitted through Kingdom Hall operating accounts. If revised forms for congregation accounting are not yet available in the language of the congregation, the resolved donation amount for Kingdom Hall and Assembly Hall construction worldwide may be recorded on the line “Kingdom Hall Construction Worldwide (Resolution)” that appears on the form(s) currently being used.

• What should be done if congregation funds are not sufficient to cover resolved donations?
If sufficient funds are not available for all resolved donations in a particular month, additional funds should not be solicited. The elders should determine what amounts from the congregation funds that are available at the end of the month will be applied toward the resolved monthly donation(s) and whether the shortfall should be made up in future months. However, it would be appropriate for the elders to remind the congregation of the resolved monthly commitments. If the congregation can no long¬er contribute the amount(s) they resolved on a regular basis, the elders may consider the situation at the next annual review of the resolution for Kingdom Hall and Assembly Hall construction worldwide.

Contribution boxes: As noted above, on May 1, 2014, each Kingdom Hall should have only two types of contribution boxes, one labeled “Local Congregation Expenses” and one labeled “Worldwide Work.”
• What should be done with existing “Kingdom Hall Construction Worldwide” boxes or boxes set up to accept donations for a local building project?
These boxes will no longer be used for accepting donations in support of Kingdom Hall or Assembly Hall construction. They should be removed or relabeled to accept donations for the worldwide work on May 1, 2014.
• What type of expenses can be paid from funds received in the “Local Congregation Expenses” box?
These funds should be used to pay approved congregation expenses, including Kingdom Hall operating expenses, minor renovations, and repairs (through the operating committee, if applicable), as well as for all monthly resolved donations that are sent to the branch office.
• Are there any changes to the existing “Worldwide Work” box?
No. Funds received in the “Worldwide Work” box will continue to be forwarded to the branch office each month. No congregation expenses or monthly resolutions should be paid from these funds.

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Okay, so if I am reading that correctly, it seems the real issue is the surplus funds as of right now, that are supposed to be sent in full or in part to the wts. (from the white box on surplus funds in that article) Money that people donated with the expectation that it would go to their kingdom hall.

Great way to grab for themselves a nice lump sum of cash, though.


Just a couple of comments on the article that stood out to me, for anyone reading or supporting the action and the wts, to consider:

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Having sufficient, adequate places of worship is vital, as Jehovah continues to ‘speed up’ the gathering of “a mighty nation.”


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At this time, over 13,000 Kingdom Hall projects and 35 Assembly Hall projects are needed worldwide.



Really? Vital to what exactly? Whatever happened to our Lord's own words:

"Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and Truth, for they are the king of worshipers the Father seeks. God is spirit, and his worshippers must worship in spirit and in truth." John 4: 23,24

Christ does not NEED such things, because those who belong to Him worship "in spirit and in truth". No matter where they are in the world; no matter if they are isolated or not.


Kingdom halls, churches, visible representations of the spiritual things... these are what ISRAEL was given, in the past. Meant to serve as physical examples of the spiritual. Too many men are unable to move on from the physical examples... to the spiritual realities; and instead simply 'resurrect' an image of the old system (and law), instead of coming to Christ as Christ has said to do, and so worship in Spirit and in Truth.


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In harmony with the principle at 2 Corinthians 8:12-14, congregations will now be asked to pool their resources worldwide to support the construction of theocratic facilities wherever they are needed.


But that is not the principle Paul is making here. Paul was asking that congregation to finish giving what they had promised to give, a promise they made on their own. (2Corinth 9:5) He wasn't asking that they give in order to build 'kingdom halls' or even 'churches', as the statement above makes it seem. Pooling resources is the only thing that this verse could support... but even that is not something that Paul demanded.


And from Luke in Acts:

"All the believers were together and had everything in common. Selling their possessions and goods, they gave to anyone as he had need."



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Okay, so if I am reading that correctly, it seems the real issue is the surplus funds as of right now, that are supposed to be sent in full or in part to the wts. (from the white box on surplus funds in that article) Money that people donated with the expectation that it would go to their kingdom hall.....Tammy


It`s money JW`s have been Saving for THEIR Kingdom Hall..
The WBT$ is saying anything over X amount of dollars should be donated to them..
When the WBT$ wants something,it`s not a request..It`s a demand..
It`s not WBT$ money..
It`s JW Donated Money for Their Kingdom Hall,the WBT$ wants..

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tammy, if i may:

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…is it not a comfort for them to know that in the local congregation of Jehovah’s witnesses they will never be tithed to pay out a percentage of their income? Nor will unscriptural money-raising schemes be imposed on them. It is at the Kingdom Hall that an unobtrusive contribution box is located for use by those who wish voluntarily to give money to support the work of the congregation. Donations mailed to the headquarters of the Watch Tower Society are also unsolicited and entirely voluntary.


you do recall this? wt HAS ALWAYS BEEN ABOUT MONEY....WE'VE ALWAYS K-NOWN IT...NOW THEY HAVE CON-FIRMED IT...IN WRITING, THROUGH THIS 4 PAGE DOCUMENTED LETTER THAT WILL NOW , HOPEFULLY REACH ALL JWS SO THEY CAN MAKE A FINAL DECISION WHETHER TO WALK, RUN OR STAY FIRMLY PLANTED.

THE DAY AND THE HOUR IS NOW UPON THEM.

PRAISE JAWS!!! g:)

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THIS WAS [[[THE]]] MOST PRO-DUCTIVE PHONE CALL YET!!! U ALL MISSED IT...ITS TOO BAD... I HAD LEGAL BY THE BALLS.

OH WELL. IT WAS A BEAUT!!

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It`s money JW`s have been Saving for THEIR Kingdom Hall..
The WBT$ is saying anything over X amount of dollars should be donated to them..


Yep, got it, thank you!


sKally, yes, I remembered hearing that there was once a statement/promise that no tithing was required. Technically, this is not tithing exactly - it not a mandatory percentage of their income (even though each hall will have to give, and that has to come from the people in the congregation). It is, however, definitely solicited... contrary to the words in that article.

But they change their tune all the time.


TRUTH, however, does not change.



I don't think that this will bring them down, Skally, at least not yet and not in this manner. Maybe some will leave - or would if they thought that there was somewhere else to go (even though there is nowhere else to go... but only a ONE to whom we must go - Christ); but I must agree with Leaving above, that most won't care even if it does become known that the money they gave for their kingdom hall funds is being taken by the wts. They trust the wts to be doing what should be done, as "God's organization and channel on earth."


But this may open some eyes to the truth that this organization is NOT the truth. So, that is a good thing, even if it is just one person... especially if those who see 'her' for what she is, turn now to CHRIST, who IS the Truth, and the ONLY one to whom we must go.


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