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I went out in field service today. Yes, I still do that. I talk as little as possible, and now my own message focuses solely on Christ if I must talk. However, today starts the memorial invitation campaign. Ugh.

While walking to a door, this elder and I were talking about how many campaigns we have and especially the upcoming campaign about advertising jw.org. I said to him: "Whatever happened to advertising the King and his Kingdom? This pushing jw.org is all about focusing on ourselves and that really bothers me." He said, "No, it's exciting! Now people can't say they don't know about Jehovah! We ARE Jehovah's Witnesses, after all. JW.ORG is just Jehovah speeding it up in his own time. The nations shall know that I am Jehovah..." At this point, the householder came to the door, so the conversation stopped.

After I got home, I looked up the verse that says "The nations will have to know that I am Jehovah" because I was certain this was another misapplication of scripture. Sure enough... it's about the war with Gog where God says he would step in and fight and the people of Israel would be burying the dead for seven months. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PREACHING WORK!!!!!

Interesting.

Didn't they always say this, even before jworg:



How in the world does having a website mean something different now? It is just another method to 'preach'... but the message is still the same, and the preaching was still being done before. So perhaps more people have greater access, but don't they still have to be preached to in order to be told about it? In which case, 'people can't say that they don't know about Jehovah' anyway. Right?


Good that you looked up the context of the scripture. No more taking anyone at their word on what they say something means. Sometimes I hear from the Spirit how someone is misapplying a scripture (and sometimes I know already, because I have already been taught about it, and can remember it); and sometimes I am not sure, but something sounds 'wrong', so I also look it up.

Sounds as though you heard that something was not quite right with that application... hence you looked it up to find its true context, Leaving.


Peace to you,
Your sister and servant, and fellow slave of Christ,
tammy

Exactly my thought when he said that.


Yup.

It's all part of the self-aggrandizement that has a firm grasp on the organization. "Come to US so you may have salvation!"

At another door, we met another man. He was polite, but firm in his stand. The conversation went like this (elder took the door):
Man: Which group are you with? Jehovah's Witnesses?
Elder: Yes.
Man: Well, I don't believe in the same god you do. Do you believe that Jesus Christ is your Lord and Savior?
Elder: Yes, we do!
Man: Have you invited him into your life?
Elder: Sure!
Man: Have you confessed your sins to him?
Elder: Yes!
Man: Hmm. Well, I think there's things we just disagree on. Have a nice day.

Something was very wrong with this conversation. But for some reason, I couldn't put my finger on it. And then it hit me last night while lying in bed.

JWs do NOT confess their sins to Christ. DO NOT. AT ALL. EVER.

This elder flat out LIED to the man.

I may call him on this later this week. Of course, I'll be tactful about it, but I might just call him out.

I was trying to hold back, dear LQ (peace to you!)... given my "zeal" sometimes, which is not exactly my strong(est) virtue... but now I have to say that I'm with dear Shirley W (peace to you, too, luv!). I HAVE to ask: how is it that something that less than 10 years ago... was a super hyper ultra NO-NO... is NOW one of if not THE best things (in some's mind, apparently) that the WTBTS has ever done for their "preaching work"???!!???? Can some JW tell ME (not you, dear LQ, but someone more "devoted" - LOLOL! so please consider the question rhetorical)... and ya'll excuse my "fron-say" but I CANNOT help it, sorry:

How the HELL did the TRUTH... CHANGE... AGAIN... and THIS time to make what was JUST considered "unclean" by the WTBTS... "clean"???? Who "TOUCHED" it... and made it "clean"? MEN?? Please... give me a BREAK!

OMGOODNESS... SURELY... even small CHILDREN... KNOW that truth... doesn't change - else IT'S NOT TRUTH. Why the heck don't GROWN-butt folks (who claim to HAVE "the truth")... KNOW this?

Sorry, dear ones. Sorry. Again, that "zeal" thing. But... good lordy... C'MON, already! Just a few years ago they were DENIGRATING people for being on/using the Internet. Some folks may have even been "expelled" for it! Certainly, some were "marked"! And NOW... "it's EXCITING"???

I can't. Sorry, I just cannot... stop shaking my head (inside) at the utter STUPIDITY and BLINDNESS.

What will it TAKE for folks to WAKE up out of their STUPOR and SAY... "Wait a frickin' minute, there, WTBTS-GB dudes... wait a frickin' MINUTE! Get vaccinated before the year such and so... and you are not "spiritual", etc. Get vaccinated AFTER year so and so... and, well, s'okay... 'cause we don't want YOUR cooties... and stats say we might GET them if you DON'T vaccinate. Check out the Internet before WE'RE on it... with OUR honkin' big butt site ('cause we gotta keep up with the other religions... but, no, WE are not a religion!)... and you're gonna die at Armageddon (for "disobedience," as well as playing in "Satan's playground" or some melarkey like that)!! Check it out NOW, though, 'cause WE'RE there... NOW... and, well, it's EXCITING??!

I can't. I just CANNOT fathom... how ANYONE would wanna touch that FILTHY, LYING harlot... for ANY reason! Well, except maybe that they don't have a PROBLEM with such filth. Sorry, dear LQ... not directing this at you, personally, truly. We know your situation... and that perhaps the Light (that is Christ) is at the end of your particular "tunnel." But for those who can't even see a GLIMMER of his Light... well, I mean, I'm just sayin'.

Nohmsayin'?

Again, sorry, all. But out of MY "mouth"... came MY heart's "abundance." Please... no offense to NO one. Just my truth. And besides, you all know you're thinkin' the SAME dang thing. Even our dear LQ! LOLOL! My sincere apologies that I cannot not SAY it! LOLOL!

Peace!

A slave of Christ,

Shellamar, who needs to find a way to stop shaking her head, lest she loose some MORE "marbles" - LOLOL!

May I inquire as to the deep seeded REASON : why?

You may decline providing such insight if you wish.

~s-kally~

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"I am proud to say that I will not lift one finger ( except my middle finger) for the WTBTS."

Again, it behooves me to seek the deep seeded REASON as to : why?

~s-kally~

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"I am proud to say that I will not lift one finger ( except my middle finger) for the WTBTS."

I do. And your response made me chuckle a little. <smile>


You may ask. And the honest answer is simply fear of upsetting the apple-cart / rocking the boat. There is no truly rational reason behind this. The reality is that I WANT the apple-cart to get upset, the boat to be rocked. I WANT to be out of this religion. I'm simply afraid to go through the fire to get to the other side, if you know what I mean. But, I'm inching my way toward that fire. It's a matter of time, I think.

I keep gauging the reactions people will have by dropping hints (such as the conversation with this elder), watching for the reaction, and then seeing how to respond. The truth of the matter is that these people are ones I've known for many years and have been good friends with. It's upsetting to know how they're going to react and that I'm the cause of it. I know that I'm not personally the cause, that the indoctrination they've received really is, but they will see it as me being the cause. It's very upsetting to me because I DO care. And thus, I'm extremely torn. And it's causing much anguish.

The reality is: once I let this cat out of the bag, the JC will quickly ensue and I'll be tossed out (though if it gets to the point of a JC, I'd DA anyway... I already have a letter prepared for that if that eventuality comes to pass). People will be upset. I can think of a few who will literally cry (I know because I've seen them cry when others they don't know as well as me were DF'd). But, I also know that it will pass for them. The ones it will affect the most is my family.

I hate this religion for not allowing people to just leave.

Thanks for the reply. Yet, it still is so baffling to me as to the even deeper underlying reason. And so it appears that non really DO care about the 'precious householder'. Just going through the motions, perpetrating the fraud. And the householder is none...the wiser. Seems shameful, in my opinion. An almost: "how dare you" sentiment even.

Again, thx for the reply.

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"I am proud to say that I will not lift one finger ( except my middle finger) for the WTBTS."

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"I am proud to say that I will not lift one finger ( except my middle finger) for the WTBTS."

Too bide my time until I get the courage to leave. It's that simple. It's irrational, I know. But that's it.

I think, s-kally, that you were fortunate to have left at a younger age. I'm no spring pup anymore, and have over 40 years of my life invested into this. It's really hard to untangle emotionally. Mentally, I'm out. Emotionally, it's gonna take more time.

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And I will put a BIG " Amen" to all that you shared sis! It is truly disgusting what they are doing!
And the saddest part as Jah says, " My people LOVE it that way!" ( Jeremiah 5:31)

Love and peace to you, Kim

Ahhhh... but HERE'S the THING, dear, dear LQ (peace to you, luv, and keep in mind, I'm not as succinct as the dear Sher'f - peace to you BOTH!): you can actually WALK on [that] fire... AND... NOT BE BURNED! Folks do it ALL the time! For instance (from the "Firewalking" page of Wikipedia; all emphasis mine):



And, very importantly...



Of course, there are some risks when walking on fire:



Although...




Of course, this is all with reference to PHYSICALLY walking on fire. But let's US look at it from a SPIRITUAL POV, if you will indulge me:

Factors that prevent burning -

- Water has a very high specific heat capacity (4.184 J g−1 K−1), whereas embers have a very low one. Therefore the foot's temperature tends to change less than the coal's.

Or, from a spiritual POV: the wormy-woody "water" of the WTBTS can really "heat up"... and you COULD get scalded... BUT... the "stone" that is Christ can keep things COOL... so that YOUR foot('s temp) doesn't fluctuate...

- Water also has a high thermal conductivity, and on top of that, the rich blood flow in the foot will carry away the heat and spread it. On the other hand, embers have a poor thermal conductivity, so the hotter body consists only of the parts of the embers which are close to the foot.

The blood (of Christ)... holy spirit... will conduct the heat AWAY from you, spread it, so that it's not concentrated on YOU (i.e., someone will share it)...

- When the embers cool down, their temperature sinks below the flash point, so they stop burning, and no new heat is generated.

The "temperature" of Christ (the stone) will not increase but stay constant...

Firewalkers do not spend very much time on the embers, and they keep moving.

Self-explanatory, although I would add, firewalkers prolly don't look back, either, but just focus on getting through and across! Well, at least, not until they've completely crossed the ember bed and are on the other side!


Of course, let's be honest - as with the physical, there are spiritual "risks," too:

- One is more likely to be burned when running through the embers since running pushes one's feet deeper into the embers, resulting in the top of the feet being burnt.

Eye-ee... or why travelling TOO fast because of trying to get through without feeling ANY heat at ALL... I mean, it IS firewalking, after all, and so, unless one has pads on one's feet, like a canine or sumthin'...

- Foreign objects in the embers may result in burns. Metal is especially dangerous since it has a high thermal conductivity.

Translation: "Stuff" put in the fire by the WTBTS. You know, that "extra" stuff that they use to turn up the heat (i.e., lies/slander... that result in disfellowshipping)... all a risk of spiritual "firewalking"...

- Embers which have not burned long enough can burn feet more quickly.

Translation: NEW lies... hidden under the guise of "new light"...

Embers contain water, which increases their heat capacity as well as their thermal conductivity. The water must be evaporated already when the firewalk starts.

Eye-ee water = WTBTS wormwoody water, and so "water" with more volatile "sh*t" IN it. One's gotta already be PAST needing THAT kind of "water" when one STARTS firewalking...

- Wet feet can cause embers to cling to them, increasing the exposure time.

Wet feet = what it always means: fear. "Wet feet". Which is way appears to be causing YOU to "cling" to the "embers" (of the WTBTS). Take care, though, as you risk being burned.


Of course, all of this is my own melarkey. But one CAN, if one wants to, "see" EVERYTHING from a spiritual POV, if it will help them SEE where they are... and where they need to BE... and maybe WHY (if not exactly HOW) to GET there...

All is how a Body (member) chooses to "see" things, luv!

Peace to you!

YSSFS of Christ,

Shellamar

I can appreciate this LQ. I really can. Contrary to popular Beliefs out there.

Yet, what grates on the nervousation is the FACT that by going door to door, with an opportunity at every door to encrypt a different message to the householder (WITH CHILDREN, and a family nucleus intact), is a prime time to DO what is NEEDED TO BE DONE. [ LOVE IT OUTLAW!]

"Talking as little as possible" is, quite frankly, at your stage in The Game, not an option any longer. You simply cannot have IT both ways. Why should you be exempt in sharing the truth you now know and NOT standing silent at the householder right in front of you. Guilt trip here? Perhaps it is what may be NEEDED in getting things DONE. But 'going along' with the sham and fraud that you KNOW IS BASED ON SOLID FACTS PEOPLE LIKE ME TOOK YEARS TO DISCOVER, SEARCH, RE-SEARCH AND BRING FORTH FOR DISTRIBUTION HERE ON THE INTERNET is your cross to bear sir.

I wish you well. But, hey, stay out of the field. Why go along with such lies, straight faced at to the householder you know is being deceived right in front of you.

Harsh? Caustic even? Perhaps. Yet, my loyalties and sympathies do nor rest with perpeTRAITORS. I see householders with young children simply being scammed. I will rise up and speak to that issue always sir. Try not to take it personally. There are so many just like you. This goes out to them, as well.

Most sincerely,

~s-Kally~

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"I am proud to say that I will not lift one finger ( except my middle finger) for the WTBTS."