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Peace to you all! I know you know there were changes to the NWT... and that some would make us shake our heads, perhaps even gasp... and I've already shared one that made ME gasp (well, okay, gag is prolly more like it!). Well, here's another, shared with me by dear Hubby:

Ya'll remember John 17:3?

"This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, [Jesus] Christ"?

Well, guess what it says NOW:

"This means everlasting life, their... wait for it... coming to know you,* the only true God, and the one whom you sent, [Jesus] Christ"!!

The FOOTNOTE states "*Or 'their taking in knowledge of you."

But wait... then they've changed verse SIX from:

"I have made your name KNOWN to the men whom you gave me out of the world"...

to...

"I have made your name MANIFEST* to the men whom you gave me..."

They put the "known" in the footnote (hence, the asterisk).

WHY this new version of the NWT?? I have heard, dear ones: the footnotes. As I've shared with you, the NWT REFERENCE Bible is one of if not THE best Bible versions out there. BECAUSE of the footnotes. They are attempting, with this new version that has footnotes... to overshadow the Reference version! Folks not only don't like CARRYING large Bibles, but READING them. They need their Bible to be "handy"... even pocket(book)able. Why? For some reason, they can justify (within themselves) reading it LESS... if it's a smaller version! A large Bible almost screams, "I read/need to read my Bible!" It (falsely) presents an "image" of piety. Goodness... they're ALL just books!

Even so, apparently they've been receiving a LOT of questions related to the "footnotes" of the Reference Bible. And so, to counteract that, for those who've never read/SEEN the Reference version... they've created a smaller version with... you guessed it... FOOTNOTES!!

Here's the thing, though: they know that most of their members are mentally LAZY... and so will BUY that THIS footnoted version IS JUST AS GOOD AS the footnoted Reference version! It is NOT, of course... but they are pretty sure... that most of the R&F... WON"T KNOW THE DIFFERENCE! And, due to their indoctrination against education... they are right: most won't.

Sigh. OMG. And we've only looked at 3-4 changes. Those poor people. They don't stand a chance. They CAN'T know they're being lied to and misled... because they don't know HOW to TELL the difference BETWEEN the differences! They won't follow Christ or, alternatively, get an education. So as TO know. If not the TRUTH (as to God and Christ, and things of the spirit [realm]... then at LEAST as to the "con" techniques, including mind games, brainwashing, and trickery... used by earthling man!

Sheep... right TO the slaughter. Well, the fire. Same thing.

Sigh... and OMG, again.

Peace... to YOU dear folks... and REJOICE if you have gotten out/are making your way out! Because woe to those who are caught inside her "gates" when her plagues come! And they WILL come! They CANNOT keep pretending to BE the "truth" forever. The REAL Truth will expose them... when he reveals himself. Technically, for some, now... and literally... to ALL, later!

Your servant and a slave of Christ,

Shellamar

Another item in the Grey NWT. I don’t know if it’s a “new” thing but, regardless, they have Christ being put to death on a Friday afternoon.

If Christ died on Friday afternoon, and was resurrected in the early morning hours when it was still dark on the first day of the week as the gospel accounts state, then Christ would have been dead only TWO DAYS and TWO NIGHTS—not the three days and nights that the Christ himself said he would be dead.

Just something else to add to the “what’s the word” things/”truths” taught by the Society—NOT!

--Armando

Oh, my Lord... (thank you, dear Armand, and peace to you, dear one!). Wait... maybe they're saying he rose on MONDAY??

This one is confusing. Do you recall the verse? Not that I WANT to go looking in that rag again... but maybe I must. Sigh.

Ah, well...

Peace to you!

YSSFS of Christ,

Shellamar

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THE INSANE KLOWN POSSEE

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"I am proud to say that I will not lift one finger ( except my middle finger) for the WTBTS."

I've always understood Christ to be dead for parts of three days, not a full three days and three nights. Much of it is due, perhaps, to discrepancies in timing in the Gospels. However, this isn't unique to the NWT. I have pushed this issue down in my consciousness because it doesn't matter all that much to me how long he was dead.

When the RNWT was released, we were told it was a "witnessing Bible", and that a reference Bible would be forthcoming. We'll see if that ever comes to fruition.

The seventh day of the week is both the Sabbath day and the last day of the week. The Sabbath day begins Friday evening and ends Saturday evening. Thus, the first day of the week begins Saturday evening and ends Sunday Evening. The gospel accounts state that Christ was resurrected early when it was still dark on the first day of the week—thus—early Sunday morning.

Early on the first day of the week, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene went to the tomb and saw that the stone had been removed from the entrance.—John 20:1.

On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, the women took the spices they had prepared and went to the tomb.—Luke 24:1.

After the Sabbath, at dawn on the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to look at the tomb.—Matthew 28:1.

When the Sabbath was over, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices so that they might go to anoint Jesus’ body. 2 Very early on the first day of the week, just after sunrise, they were on their way to the tomb 3 and they asked each other, “Who will roll the stone away from the entrance of the tomb?”—Mark 16:1.

[The earliest manuscripts and some other ancient witnesses do not have verses 9–20.]

When Jesus rose early on the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had driven seven demons. She went and told those who had been with him and who were mourning and weeping. When they heard that Jesus was alive and that she had seen him, they did not believe it.—Mark 16:9-11.

Count back three days and three nights and you come to Thursday afternoon when he was put to death. Both the Catholic Church (Good Friday) and the Society (JWs) have it wrong. (Perhaps others do too.)

--Armand

Yes, this is what I remember also; and it certainly appears from the gospel accounts that
Christ died about three hours before the Sabbath started; I've always wondered what was meant by the three days and three nights, then.

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"Christ died about three hours before the Sabbath started; I've always wondered what was meant by the three days and three nights, then."

Yes, Ataloa, you are correct. “Christ died about three hours before the Sabbath started.” But it must be remembered that Christ died on Passover (the Lamb of God) and that the day AFTER the Passover was always a festival “Sabbath,” whenever and wherever it fell on the calendar, and in the year that Christ died, the next day after THAT festival Passover Sabbath was a “regular” Sabbath” (Friday night). Thus, it was called a “Great Sabbath.” A "Great Sabbath" is when there are two Sabbaths in a row or when a “festival” Sabbath falls ON a regular Sabbath.

If you will note in the Kingdom Interlinear version (the Purple one) of the bible (as well as the Diaglott), the gospel accounts in the Greek state that Mary and the other women went to the tomb with spices, and it states that they went AFTER the Sabbaths (plural) were over/finished.

As to the “importance” of three days and three nights (whether full days and nights or partial three days and nights), I do not know their import. I only know that Christ said he would be in the grave three days and three nights. (That was the sign of Jonah that was to be given.) I believe him and trust what he stated.

--Armand

AGuest: Those changes on the 2 verses you quoted are an improvement. They render the original text more accurately.

Interesting, Armand; thank you. I don't have any recollection of that at all; but I'll look that up.

eventually

they'll shrink the NWT to a much more manageable
box
to be worn optionally on the forehead

Maybe these two truths will help you dear ones "see" (peace to all!):

First, contrary to the WTBTS, our dear Lord did NOT celebrate the Passover on the night of Nisan 14. HE did it the night BEFORE, on Nisan 13. Why? Because HE WAS THE "PASSOVER LAMB" that would be sacrificed ON Nisan 14. He didn't die the same night he ate the meal with his friends. He was ARRESTED that night... and "tried" the next day. The timeline was:

a. Ate "passover" meal with apostles (Nisan 13 "between to two evenings", so around 3pm-5pm)
b. Was arrested and taken before the Sanhedrin (that night, AFTER his meal... Nisan 14, which started at 6pm)
c. Taken before Pilate (about 6am, morning of Nisan 14)
d. Sent to Herod (about 7am, of Nisan 14)
e. Taken BACK to Pilate and sentenced to death (about 8am, morning of Nisan 14)
f. Taken to Calvary and impaled (about 9am, morning of Nisan 14)
g. Darkness covers the land (noon, which is why it was a big deal, Nisan 14)
h. Dies (about the 9th hour, or 3:00pm, Nisan 14)

After that, the timeline was:

Thursday, 3pm (death)... through Friday, through Saturday, to before dawn Sunday morning (resurrection).

Which is... PART of Thursday (3 hours), ALL of Friday (24 hours), ALL of Saturday (24 hours), and PART of Sunday (3 hours).

OR... two and three quarters days (2.25). For JEWS, this would be 3 days (because it was more than 2 days. and you round UP).

And THEN...

Thurday NIGHT, Friday NIGHT, and Saturday NIGHT.

SOOOO... you have three DAYS (2.25 days)... and three NIGHTS (Thursday, Friday, and Saturday).

I hope this helps! If not, I actually have a chart (for those who need a visual), but you'll have to wait until the weekend for it.

Peace!

YSSFS of Christ,

Shellamar

Which is a reason to be CONCERNED, dear ANOMOS (peace to you!): they'll be able to hide their own insidious lies even MORE!

And, you may be right, dear Wheels (peace to you, as well!). They did have that little pocket version once... No reason not to go even smaller, I guess - LOLOL!

Peace!

Your servant and a slave of Christ,

Shellamar

Yes, which is exactly how i felt when i first read that translation about 'coming to know you' rather than the previous taking in knowledge. Because it makes it that much harder for those who do not know THEM, to realize what they truly teach... that you cannot KNOW Christ, and so cannot KNOW God; you can only listen to them, who claim to know God, and do as they tell you.

Peace,
tammy