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LARSINGER58 SAID

How does the first resurrection work. I'm going to try to present this as if I'm talking to the GB or the Writing Committee; that is, to someone who will look this up to check it out. This will cut down on wordiness.

1. We know that all the elect are changed from physical to spiritual at the same time. No one proceeds anyone else to heaven out of two groups; those who need to be resurrected and those who are already alive when Christ arrives. So first those who have died are resurrected back into physical bodies to join those already alive. Then all of them "together" are changed to spiritual bodies. (1 Thess 4:15-1

2. Consistent with the above, 1 Cor. 15 gives us the same idea. First is the physical and then the spiritual for those being resurrected. These are like seeds said to be sown into physical bodies first, then changed to spiritual ones. But the nature of those physical bodies are described as ones of "corruption", "dishonor", and "weakness." Certainly not perfect physical bodies, but imperfect ones. The TWIST here is understanding that these bodies of weakness and dishonor are LIVING BODIES!! The living bodies of the elect just before the 2nd coming who are still in imperfect bodies. The raised share the identity and body of one each of a modern elect person. As verse 38 states: "but God gives it a body just as it has pleased him, and to EACH of the seeds ITS OWN BODY." WHEW! That's an important detail. No issues of multiple personality here, just the memory of a past life.

3. Now what about the details of the timeline for the 1st resurrection? We know the 1st resurrection takes place before the second coming. The 2nd coming takes place several years before Armageddon. Thus those resurrected are in physical bodies from just before the 2nd coming for a "short while" until Christ gathers the rest of the elect and Satan prepares the world for Armageddon. After Armageddon Christ, who is also sown into an imperfect body of someone else just like all of the 1st resurrection, rules for 1000 years. Then Satan is let loose to test the post-millennial mankind. Then comes Judgment Day, when all the dead from the memorial tombs come forth, both righteous and unrighteous. Those who are righteous get a resurrection to eternal life. Those who are unrighteous, based on their moral choices from their previous life, get a resurrection to the second and final permanent death. Then, when death is no more and no longer a threat to mankind, then is when corruption puts on incorruption. That is when all the elect plus Christ who are all in the flesh at this time are "raptured" up to heaven in glorious physical bodies.

FUN HIGHLIGHTS:

1 John 3:2 confirms that those resurrected will see Christ just as he is and be in the same type of body as he is. That confirms that both Christ and the resurrected will be sown into living imperfect bodies at the second coming.

2. By resurrecting the dead elect into living physical bodies, the 1st resurrection is totally INVISIBLE, unseen to the nations and Satan's agents. But this also eliminates having to educate the dead over years to catch them up on what has happened since they died. Their orientation to the modern world is just instant, since they share the identity and modern language of their host.

3. Note that those resurrected including Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and many other men of faith in ancient times. But how so? Isn't it noted that even John the Baptist does not attain the greatness of someone sealed into the kingdom? That's correct. But the only thing preventing John and those before him from being sealed into the kingdom is that they died before Christ died. But since they will be resurrected back into physical bodies first, then they can be sealed after the fact! In other words, some of the saints died just before Jesus died, so they missed out. But when he died they were resurrected. That allowed them to become anointed with holy spirit. So the same applies to anyone resurrected back into the flesh. That allows them to be anointed and sealed in the flesh before they get their spiritual bodies. Clearly, these will include John the Baptist as well! Thus the comparison to the greatness of those anointed in the kingdom after Christ's sacrifice was in comparison to John at his death. Those anointed to be saints are greater than John the Baptist at his death. But that didn't mean John couldn't be anointed later if he was resurrected back into a physical body, which is precisely what happens. Thus all those ancient ones from Enoch to Abraham to Daniel and others are with Christ in his kingdom. Now doesn't that make more sense? Plus that explains why Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are said to be sitting at the table with Christ in the kingdom of the heavens.

I knew I couldn't write a short article...

The way Jehovah does things is so glorious and wonderful!!
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LOZ SAID

I'm sorry Lars but I can't agree with your reasonings.

Loz x

TEC SAID

We are already in physical bodies, Lars... next comes the spiritual one.

There is no reason to suggest that we go from physical, to physical again, then to spiritual.

The 1st resurrection takes place AT the second coming.

Armageddon takes place AFTER the thousand years, when Satan misleads

Gog and Magog to come against the camp that God loves.

Then comes the second resurrection and judging, which has no effect on those who took part in the first resurrection... because these are alive and not dead; and so they have no fear of the second death.



- Same type of body as christ... is a spiritual one... just as Paul spoke of two types - the fleshly, and the spiritual. So calling it a body does not mean that it is a physical body such as we have now. No one gets resurrected back to this.


Peace,
tammy

AGUEST SAID

Dear Lar (peace to you!) - I have to agree with dear Loz and tec (the greatest of love and peace to you, both!). Here's what you're missing, the "sowing".

The body of flesh is likened to a seed, which seed must "germinate" (die) before a plant emerges. For those who die before my Lord returns, their bodies are SOWN (buried - hence, another argument against cremation, but that's another thread). Then IT IS RAISED UP... a spirit body (the "new creation" - the "plant"... or REAL "branch"... in the "Tree" of Life).

Not all experience this "sowing" of the body... death... though. This is because Christ would not be so exacting, so unrighteous as to require ALL to die and be sown (in the earth) in order to "raised" up. Rather, a further feature of the GOOD news [of the kingdom] is that not ALL have to die to attain to it! As Christ himself is recorded to say:

"I am the resurrection... AND the life. He that believes in me and has died will be brought back to life AND he that has NOT died... will NEVER die."

The latter will NEVER die... because they are changed... from flesh to spirit... without having ever seen death at all. The first, however, do not need to be resurrected to the flesh first, THEN changed: they are resurrected... directly to LIFE.

Those who participate in the SECOND resurrection, however, must be resurrected to the FLESH. Why? Because those who constitute the two groups involved here must stand before the [Court of] Judgment. One, prior to having life conferred upon them (by means of having their names written in the Lamb's Book and so their sins covered/blotted out)... the others so as to be condemned. Once life IS conferred on the first, they are given "white robes" (spirit bodies)... and granted access (they are not resurrected directly into spirit bodies and access to the kingdom - it must first be ascertained in their names ARE written in the Lamb's Book).

The second never receive life... and so submi to the "second" death, the Lake of Fire... "Gehenna"... wherein is killed the BODY... AND the spirit.

I hope this helps and, again, peace to you!

A slave of Christ,

SA

JUSTMOM SAID

ood Morning Lars


Something else I would like to share ith you along with Tecs comment and I hope this helps. Because your timetable of certain events are not accurate.

Revelation 16:14-16 "......They go forth to gather them together "TO THE WAR"..... (WAR being Armaggedon)

Revelation 20:7-8 "1,000 years have ENDED Saten is let loose to mislead! To gather them together "FOR THE WAR" (War being Armaggedon)

So ARMAGGEDON is AFTER the 1,000 year reign of Christ and His bride
I realize this is COMPLETELY against what we have always been taught. But it is TRUTH dear Lars.

Hope this helps
Justmom

LARSINGER58 SAID

tec wrote:


Hi Tammy. Thanks for your comment. The Bible is clear that all go to heaven "togehter" at the same time. The only way that can happen is that all are in physical bodies.

Christ must rule here on the earth for the 1000-year reign. If that is not something you understand in scripture, then me being the Christ in the flesh will make no sense.

I'm only the potential Christ for those who interpret the scriptures to mean that Christ returns at the 2nd coming in the flesh. Obviously, there is a lot of flexibility in interpretation, so I respect your view. But I will note that Christ said he would not put "new wine" in old wineskins because the old wineskins would burst. So it is clear that some will not be able to handle the new reality of the kingdom and favoring other interpretations will be part of being able to handle this and still keep their faith. The "older brother" in the parable of the prodigal son never accepts his brother's favored position and refuses to join in at the private banquet. So some of my followers, that is, some of the elect can't deal with me on this side of the millennium being the Christ, and that is perfectly okay and very much expected. But, of course, those blessed with the holy spirit of understanding who can bend to handle all of this get to rejoice with me as the Christ fulfilled.

Thanks, again, for sharing!
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LARSINGER 58 SAID

justmom wrote:


Interesting. But the context of "Har-mageddon" is in connection with the false prophet and thus occurs before the millennium since the false prophet is destroyed before the millennium. Now there is another "war" after the 1000 years, but that is not the same war called "Har-Mageddon." Here is that reference:

REVELATION 16:13 And I saw three unclean inspired expressions [that looked] like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon and out of the mouth of the wild beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14 They are, in fact, expressions inspired by demons and perform signs, and they go forth to the kings of the entire inhabited earth, to gather them together to the war of the great day of God the Almighty.

15 “Look! I am coming as a thief. Happy is the one that stays awake and keeps his outer garments, that he may not walk naked and people look upon his shamefulness.”

16 And they gathered them together to the place that is called in Hebrew Har–Ma·ged´on."

This occurs before the 1000 years, while the false prophet (WTS) and the 666-wild beast (Christendom) are still around. The "Great Day of God Almighty" is Armageddon. That is not what the war after the 1000 years is.

So there are two wars, one before and one after the millennium. The one before is called "Har-Mageddon." So in this case, the WTS is correct in that interpretation as far as I see.

"Gog of Magog" is the "disgusting thing causing desolation" to the holy ones during WWII, that is, to the Jews. Thus Gog of Magog represents German white supremacists, Nazism.

So in a multi-cultural world, Satan inspires racism again, a very effective tool for dividing mankind. Of course, why would any white supremacist like me, a gay black male? I'm the antithesis of the Christian Identity Movement. So the reappearance of "Gog of Magog" after the 1000-year reign means Satan inspires Nazism among whites against me. Probably they are not satisfied with being "everyday" and down to earth or communistic.

You know, being rich is fine if you have servants to wait on you, clean the house, cook for you and gardeners to keep up the vast lawns of your mansion. But if you had to do that all yourself, it wouldn't be fun. During the 1000-year rule, people will not be slaves or workers with a small elite rich class paying for everything. Everyone will have their own vine and their own fig tree and take care of themselves and do their own laundry. So what is the joy of being rich? Everybody will be working class and all races of people will be totally equal. Being rich and having lots of servants will be a thing of the past. But I know some will want that and will likely want to live under their own rule and under their own culture. I guess if you're a racist it will be hard to deal with a black messiah.

God choose to tell me this well in advance of it happening. So one of my goals is to reach out to whites and try to get them to embrace life in a multicultural society; you know, bring out the "surfer guy" and the "hippie" in white people vs. James Bond. (Apologies -- I don't mean to offend anyone here)
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AGUEST SAID



C'MON, dear Lar (again, peace to you!). How can you tell us "the Bible is truth," and say that, in light of:

“'Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.'

“'How can someone be born when they are old?” Nicodemus asked. “Surely they cannot enter a second time into their mother’s womb to be born!'

[Jesus] answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and Spirit. Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. John 3:3-8

I have no doubt that you believe that what you share is accurate. Maybe because you believe you are Christ. But, c'mon... if you're going to tell us that the Bible it truth... then at least stick to what IT says about the things you are sharing. Of course, you are more than welcome to say, as some of us do, that it is not inerrant. Even so, you should still endeavor to back up your assertions with SOME "source" of truth. If not the Bible, not human history, then at least the Spirit, the Holy One of Israel, himself.

Right?

Again, I am not trying to contend with you but to get you to consider your own obvious contradictions. They won't help any listen, dear one. Just throwing out tons of words is insufficient, dear one, at least for these dear folks here. They must at least make SOME measure of sense, if not some measure of TRUTH.

Again, peace to you!

Your servant and a slave of Christ,

SA

LARSINGER58 SAID

Here's another detail to consider regarding the resurrection and when corruption puts on incorruption. Just when does this happen?

Again, I emphasize that all "together" are changed and so no single individual precedes another to heaven. So when does this "rapture" take place. 1 Cor 15:54

"54 But when [this which is corruptible puts on incorruption and] this which is mortal puts on immortality, then the saying will take place that is written: “Death is swallowed up forever.” 55 “Death, where is your victory? Death, where is your sting?”

So the rapture from the physical to the spiritual takes place once death is no more. And when is death no more? Death is cast into the lake of fire after Judgment Day. Once the last wicked person is cast into the lake of fire and all that are living are righteous and given eternal life, then death is no more and no longer a threat. When it can be said that death is no more, though, does not happen until after Judgment Day. Judgment Day does not happen until after Satan has been cast into the lake of fire. Satan is not cast into the lake of fire until after the 1000-year reign of Christ.

Now. We contrast when the physical bodies put on incorruption and become spiritual ones with the time of the 1st resurrection. The 1st resurrection we have established must occur before the 1000-year reign of Christ since those the resurrected reign with Christ for 1000 years.

So by this reference, we know those resurrected must be in physical bodies during the 1000-year reign. We also know Christ himself is in a human body for the 2nd coming.

Keep in mind that the anti-christ would be saying Jesus did not return in the flesh. That is found at 1 John 3:

"2 YOU gain the knowledge of the inspired expression from God by this: Every inspired expression that confesses Jesus Christ as having come in the flesh originates with God, 3 but every inspired expression that does not confess Jesus does not originate with God. Furthermore, this is the antichrist’s [inspired expression] which YOU have heard was coming, and now it is already in the world."

The WTS is thus part of the antichrist because it claims that Christ did not come in the flesh in 1914. Now some try to get around this by saying this was a reference to Christ's first coming. But this applies to both his first and second coming, each time he arrives in the flesh.

So that's how we identify antichrists, anyone saying Christ did not come in the flesh in the year the Bible points to, which is 1992 if you date the fall of Jerusalem in 529 BCE, which we must, because of the VAT4956 (astronomical text).

Now this all fits 1 Cor 15 where it clearly describes the 1st resurrection in two phases. Those needing to be resurrected have become like seeds that are sown into corrupt, imperfect, weak bodies first. These bodies are living bodies of imperfect elect alive during the time of Christ's 2nd coming in 1992. They remain in these imperfect bodies along with Christ during the 1000-year reign and then until after Judgment Day when becomes no more. Then once death is no longer a threat to anyone, then all the elect in physical bodies are changed in the twinkling of an eye into spirit bodies.

Anyone who says Christ did not come in the flesh in 1992 is the antichrist and is not inspired of God. The Bible says so.
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