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Well, Jesus wasn't calling PETER Satan, but was recognising that Satan, at that moment, was speaking though Peter. Even through Peter, who so eagerly and swiftly knew Jesus for Who He was.

Thus, Jesus gave us all,throughout all the ages to come, a salutary reminder that each of us may....perhaps even will... be waylaid and used by Satan for his ends, a humbling thought meaning that we must each be continually scrupulous in our thoughts and words and deeds. It's also a reassurance for us. There is not a human being alive who will not fall or fail at some point, and the more readily we acknowledge that, the easier it is to recognise that we have slipped and to ask forgiveness.

Socrates has it exactly, doesn't he? As did Milton, when he wrote "No man is an island."

Yes Char it was a prophecy of the destruction of Jeruselum and was foretold that she would never be rebuilt again. But her destruction came as a result of her judgement
Christs own words said this, not my interpretation of it. I was just sharing what our Lord said personally.

Hope this helped
Love Justmom

[quote=aguest]It isn't judging to DISCERN when one CLAIMS to be a "Jew"... but is NOT, dear ones. Or to DISCERN when a synagogue (public meeting place where God/scripture/Moses/Christ is discussed) belongs to Satan. It is DISCERNMENT. Which the Body of Christ is exhorted BY Christ to have.[\quote]


Thank you for sharing this my sister.

Yes, discernment is a gift of the spirit as well as the reminder " by their FRUITS you will recognize them."

And since the body of Christ are considered " ambassadors substituting for Christ" then they would be used just as those were used in prior generations to share and proclaim these truths.

Thank you once again
Love and peace to you and may your visit be comforting to those you are with.

Love Justmom

I disagree. Jesus did call Peter Satan. Was Peter possessed? Is that what you imply?

Satan was not speaking through Peter. Peter was speaking like Satan. His imperfection and great love for Jesus was hindering him from seeing what was at stake. What he said was a temptation like one Satan would use.

Hello dear Anomos,

Couldn't it have been a case of Peter allowing place for the devil by not opposing him?
James 4:7 Ephesians 4:27

And why if one allows himself in a time of weakness could he not be allowing the adversary to be speaking through him?
We were always taught that the demons could communicate with us/ use us,if we allowed, but that CHRIST through Holy Spirit cannot speak to us. Only the FDS did this for us.
So why do you say that it could not have been satan speaking through Peter at a time of his weakness?

Just asking ?

Love justmom

That's pretty well it. I certainly didn't mean that Peter was possessed! LOL!

Not even as much as that Peter was speaking like Satan, but rather more that Peter was inadvertently voicing ideas that Satan might well use to tempt Jesus, for the 40 days in the wilderness show us that even Jesus could be tempted. That's why Jesus is such a good pattern for us to follow, another aspect of his being the Way.

We might be splitting hairs here, but...

Peter was not "possessed". But he was allowing himself (inadvertently) to be used by the Adversary (Satan)... tempting Christ to listen to HIM (Satan) instead of to His Father, and what His Father had told Him.


And yes, to what Shelby shared from out Lord regarding discernment.


Peace to you both,
tammy

Yes, and yes!

May you all have peace! A minute to spare and wanted to share that while we are told that "Satan entered into" Judas Iscariot, we are not told that as to Peter. However, we also have to remember that "Satan" is not a name, per se, but also a title/description that, along with "Devil", means "slanderer"... or "deceiver". Here, Peter himself was deceived, was he not, into thinking that our dear Lord did NOT have to undergo the things he did, but could instead "be kind" to himself and forego it?

As stated above, we can... ALL of ourselves... be deceived. As perhaps Peter was. We can also even deceive... ourselves. As perhaps Peter did.

Just some things to think about, which I hope helps.

Again, peace to you all!

YSSFS of Christ,

Shellamar

Hello Shelby,

Aw, good point as to satan " entering Judas" but no mention of it as to Peter.
Thank you for the clarification.

Love and peace to you,
Justmom
P.s. Hope the visit is going good!

Peter wasn't deceived by anyone. He was simply thinking like an imperfect human. Plus that he was an illiterate man acting not on reason but on emotions. Satan could use a similar approach like Peter to tempt Jesus. For Jesus succumbing to Peter's suggestion would be like being tempted by Satan himself and failing. Simply it wouldn't matter who put him to the test. In any case it would be a victory of Satan.

Yup!

We're all saying just about the same thing in different words, aren't we?

I STILL haven't mastered the use of emoticons on here!

I cannot agree that Peter wasn't deceived, dear ANOMOS (peace to you!), although perhaps not by the Adversary (as Eve was), because my understanding is that he was indeed deceived... by himself. I state this because, as our dear Lord reminded our brothers, his disciples (John 5:39, 40), the scriptures bore witness to [i]him... even as to his death[/u] (Psalm 22:1-31; 69:1-36; Isaiah 53:1-12). And so he kept reminding them of this... and that the scriptures not only would be... but HAD to be... fulfilled. Mark 10:33, 34

Because of this, what was in the scriptures, there was NO excuse for Peter NOT to know (as there is no excuse for us NOW not to know various things, given the dispensing of holy spirit!)... because up to that time reading the scriptures was virtually mandatory (Psalm 1:1-6, at least for those truly LOOKING for Messiah [to arrive]. Which, if they were listening to Moses, they were doing. Indeed, that is how they FIRST knew him when he called them ("We have found Messiah!" - it was a bit later that they were given and grasped that this "Prophet", raised up after Moses, was actually the Son of GOD!).

So, no excuse... unless he WAS deceived. And he was... by himself; he allowed himself to fool HIMSELF into thinking what had to take place DIDN'T have to. Deceived as perhaps WE are sometimes, regarding things related to Christ. That deception, however, is not limited to the Adversary. We can be deceived by that one, yes, but also by his agents ([b]Matthew 24:24)... AND... most OFTEN... by ourselves.

Deception doesn't always denote a malicious intent to deceive, dear one. Sometimes it's borne of ignorance... or arrogance. And dear Peter certainly was arrogant, as we ALL are, to some degree or another, at some point in our lives. He wasn't HAUGHTY, mind you, which is to the farther, darker side of arrogance... but he was a little TOO self-assured. So much so that he truly didn't KNOW what he didn't know... or UNDERSTAND what he didn't understand.

Peter was deceived... by his own over self-assuredness... which led to his OWN self-deception. As such tends to DO for the overly self-assured. Like most teenagers; you know, those you can't tell anything but must learn the "hard" way? LOLOL!

Otherwise, he (Peter) said what he did INTENTIONALLY... meaning to thwart Christ's intentions (and God's will).

My understanding is that that is not the case, however, but that out of LOVE Peter didn't want our dear Lord to suffer... in any way. Certainly not in the way our dear Lord was saying he was GOING to suffer. So, he (Peter) would have first had to convince HIMSELF that it wasn't necessary... and only self-deception would allow that, ... before he could even TRY to say what he did to our dear Lord. Right? Else, he couldn't have SAID it... because his belief that it WAS necessary, had that truly been his belief... would have LET him say otherwise, as he DID say.

I hope this helps and, again, peace to you!

Your servant and a slave of Christ,

Shellamar

The visit went VERY well, considering, dear 'Mom (peace, luv!); very emotional for my dear cousin, understandably. It was really good to see everyone again (and I LOVE NYC/Brooklyn - it always feels like "home" when I'm there!), but glad to be home now as I've clocked quite a few air miles over the past year. For now, I just intend to chill a bit, although I have to focus on a little contract I'm working - LOLOLOL!

Peace!

YSSFS of Christ,

Shellamar

Yes, my understanding is the same. I mean, Peter is the one who said 'to whom else will we go', even when a teaching was hard.

Peace,
tammy