xjwsforChrist

Okay, now you're not only contradicting yourself, dear Char (peace!), but falsely stating that faith should be in "the Church" (so NOT Christ)... while only our BELIEF is in him. No, no... I'm not twisting your words, at all. Here is what YOU stated:



Unfortunately, statements like these only further show that you do not know Christ, at all... and are not of his Body. Because those of his Body KNOW that:

(1) Our FAITH is to be in HIM... and ONLY him; and

(2) That one believes means nothing; the demons believe... and have belief IN Christ (Acts 15:16-18) ... but that doesn't make them part of Christ's Body.



What "words," dear Char... and HOW did you "hear" them? The Bible doesn't have a mouth; it can't speak. So HOW do you understand?



And I'll remind YOU, again, that you are one of only two who have OPENLY professed that I am the reason you are here... and of the two, you are the ONLY one who OPENLY professed that YOU followed ME. Do you not see your hypocrisy, yet? And had I joined you in revering the RCC... you would have continued to "follow" me, Char.



To WHOM was he speaking, though, dear one... and OF whom? Everyone, as you believe? But his words don't include everyone, do they, but only those who HAVE FAITH IN him (which is what the word you translate as "believes" really means. Yet, above, you profess that your faith is NOT in him... but in "the Church." Do you SEE?


Sorry, but no. While on the one had you make that claim as to the Catholic "Church," on the other hand you make it as to all of mankind. Again, you contradict yourself. Even more so, YOU don't believe in him, dear one... except to the extent he is still dead. Because dead persons... don't speak.



How so, dear Char? I never shut the Door that is Christ to anyone... including you. In fact, I herald that Door... SHOUT of him... from the rooftops! Where, though, is YOUR proclamation... other than your endorsement of the RCC? Even so, while I cannot do what YOU wish me... and endorse the RCC WITH you... I certainly don't judge those who have their faith in her, including you. Since "she" is their/your master, to HER you will stand... or fall. Not to me.

[On another note, I do wish you would come up with an original retort just once, rather than simply parroting me and what I've shared with you. It doesn't make you look credible, dear one, but merely another "JW-ish" type of person simply parroting what she's been told to say when asked a reason for her faith.]



WE are not the one who say otherwise or take issue with this, dear Char; YOU are and do. YOU say you don't hear him speak to you. Yet, NOW... you contradict yourself and say you heard it from him. Again... you contradict yourself. Which is it, then? DO you hear... and if so... HOW? Or do you not, in which case, what do you mean by the above? Please note, these questions are both rhetorical and not. Rhetorical... because I have no illusions that you can... or will... respond to them. Not, just in case I'm wrong. Based on history, I don't think so, though.



Okay, forget rhetorical. Show me... PLEASE... WHERE... in even ONE instance... I, dear 'Mom... or anyone here but you (and perhaps one or two others) have preached ANYTHING counter to Christ's words. ONE verse, dear Char. Just ONE.



That, too. Please... show me/us. Just ONE thing. AND... where we are pressing them onto ANYONE. You don't even know what we're talking about... and you certainly can't say we're pressing anything on YOU. No one is pursuing you, dear Char. WE don't come where YOU are; YOU come where WE are. Why??



And there you go: back to the whole world... yet, as above, those who "believe" in him. I feared I might have to find one of the many posts where you stated that... but you've done my work for me, thank you. But which IS it, dear Char? The WHOLE world... including those who do NOT believe in him (and there are many)... or those who believe in him? And if it's EVERYONE who "believes" in him... does that include the demons? Because remember, again, they believe in him, too.



Well, that's what WE said: that you DO hear... indeed, that you even once admitted it! YOU are the one who denies that, NOW. YOU are the one who says you don't hear. We have not said such ABOUT you. We have SAID that EVERYONE hears... but few LISTEN. Including, apparently, you.



Sigh. Yet another contradiction: we hear, yet you are "not the one who does not hear..."



Wait, and WE sound like Jehovah's Witnesses???!!! So, you believe that OTHER spirits can speak... and you have NO problem believing we hear OTHER spirits... but not THE Holy Spirit, the HOLY ONE of Israel, JAHESHUA, the Chosen One of JAH (MischaJah)... His Son and Christ... who ROSE... FROM the dead... and IS ALIVE? HE can't speak, although lesser spirits can... and we can't hear HIM (although, apparently you can, yes?)... but can hear lesser spirits?? You believe other spirits can and do speak... and people can hear THEM... but NOT the One to whom was given "ALL authority... in heaven AND on earth"?? What SENSE does that make, dear Char???

I will tell you: it makes NO sense. But, it is certainly a belief of Jehovah's Witnesses. And, apparently, you and those you share in faith with, as well. What a LACK of faith, though...

,

Again, I call upon you... before JAH/God, JAHESHUA/"Jesus"/Christ... all the angels... and all of mankind, including those here... to show ME where I have shared ANYTHING that goes directly (or indirectly) against the things "Jesus" said. Just ONE, dear Char. Keep in mind... YOU will have to know what he's said... whether as recorded (which you have proven time and time again that you DON'T know)... or as you have heard FROM him. Please... show me.



Actually, no, there's nothing for US to work out. There is something for YOU to work out, though... and it starts with the letter "b." I implore you... if you truly don't know, just admit that. But please don't continue to opine because what you're doing is dangerous. You are attributing the words of the Holy Spirit to "something else," by which I can't help thinking you mean anything other than the Adversary or one of HIS angels... and you don't want to do that, dear Char. Truly, you do not.

As for the discussion between you and dear 'Mom (peace to you!)... I will leave that to you and her, as I have no care of the matter one way or the other. One Pope is of one position, another of another. Earthling man, so there should be no surprise. Just like this Pope is more liberal about the matter, the former... and perhaps the next... will be more conservative. Politics. That's all it all is. Not faith in JAH/Christ. Because if it WERE... there would be no NEED for a "catechism" OR comment/position as to the matter. For the HOLY SPIRIT... which teaches ALL who belong to him... would have told ALL the SAME thing. Which is why, with that spirit... ones does not NEED any others to be teaching them! See?? Jeremiah 31:31-34; 1 John 2:26-28



I will comment here, though, and ask: what, fundamentally, is the difference between, say, the Catechism, Talmud, Book of Mormon... and the Watchtower? Are these not ALL supplemental commentary? Why? Wasn't/isn't the Bible sufficient? Wait... my Lord asks: wasn't/isn't HE... and holy spirit... sufficient? According to the MOST HOLY One of Israel, JAH of Armies... it SHOULD be (Matthew 17:5; Hebrews 12:25



Stop it, Char. You are not a victim here and no one is abusing you. YOU have been the abuser... and we "fell out" you and I... when I called you on it. You want me to treat YOU better than you treated others, although those others had done neither you NOR me any wrong here. You want others to respect YOUR faith... while allowing YOU to attack and tear down theirs. IF you didn't profess to be a member of the Body of Christ, I would leave you to what you do. Because you profess to BE such, I cannot. Because the Body would not do such a thing. We would, yes, expose the falsehoods of those who CLAIM to know and be "leaders" in that Body, those false prophets and false "christs" (Matthew 24:24; Revelation 2:2, 6, 9, 13-15, 20; 3:9, 16-18).



Knowing dear 'Mom as I do, I don't think she meant that to BE funny, dear Char. Not at all. Knowing her, I heard her "incredulity" at the fact that more of such "light" will come. To mankind's shame.



No, dear, dear Char. No. Shame... on you, dear one. Shame on you... for stubbornly sticking to your "golden calf"... rather than walking in FAITH. Shame on you... that although like Moses, our dear Lord HAS gone up the "mountain" to prepare a way for us... he is NOT dead... can hear US... and we, him... yet you deny this... and keep trying to deny us our proclamation of this. Shame on you... for professing to be a member of Christ's Body... yet, having your faith, love, and loyalty... in a body of people who don't even belong to him. Shame on you... for not telling others the TRUTH: that the Son of God, the HOLY One of Israel and Holy Spirit, JAHESHUA, the Chosen One of JAH (MischaJah)... is not only ALIVE... risen from the dead and grave... and so LIVES... but SPEAKS... and leads HIS Body... HIMSELF... and not through the various manmade organizations that purport to sit in his seat and stand in the Way... and be some kind of mediator/middleman conduit that folks must join to, be apart of, and follow the tenets of... in order to be joined to him!

Shame... on you... dear Char... for not OPENLY professing this truth, as you once were of the mind and heart to do... yet, allowing your hurt feelings... because someone disagreed with you and pointed out your error as to your poor treatment of another... you shrunk back. Shame on you... for listening to earthling man... and putting your trust in them... when we, the Body, were told NOT to put our trust in earthling man... or in nobles... because their breath goes out... and they DIE... just like the rest of us! Shame on you... for trying to point not only non-Body members, but the Body itself... to these men... and their tenets and catechisms, etc., rather than to the HOLY ONE of Israel and Holy Spirit, JAHESHUA, the Chosen One of JAH, who the MOST HOLY ONE of Israel GAVE to mankind... to guide, and lead, and teach them... so that they need any other mediators!

Shame... on... you... dear, dear Char... because you are allowing you FEAR... which fear you acquired when you ran from the traps of the RCC into the trap of the WTBTS, and uncovered yet a deeper wasps nest of lies... but because you lacked the faith to keep moving FORWARD... turned BACK... and wish to take others back with you.

If returning to "Egypt" is what makes you happy, dear one... then, please... by all means: go. We wish you NO harm and mean you NO illwill. We, though... well, at least me and MY household... will keep following the Lamb. Wherever HE goes. And he's not going through the RCC, dear one. Truly. His "dragnet" went through THAT "city" some time ago. True, on occasion some will hear the call to get out of HER... but if you've noticed, most leave her... for the WTBTS. Which is where his dragnet is now. How long in which be in that "city"... only he knows.

But it is to the "inhabitants" of THAT is the "city" that our message to "GET OUT OF 'HER'" is primarily directed, not the RCC. Hopefully, except where YOU bring that "city" (the RCC) up... others will be able to simply move on past "her"... and focus on the other. When YOU bring her up, though, you should expect to receive comments from others as to her "uncleanness." You really should expect nothing less. Especially since YOU have absolutely NO problems pointing out the uncleanness of the WTBTS. Which is fine with US. We just think you should be aware of the three fingers pointing back at the RCC, is all.

Shame on you... for ALL of this... while professing to be a member of the Body of Christ. ALL of this, however, PROVES that you have not yet attained to that position, dear one. But... the Door stands open, still. May you, then... HEAR... when the SPIRIT and his Bride SAY to you (and by say, I mean SAY... as in WORDS):

[b]"Come! Take life's water... free!" [b]

But you would have to come to the One who pours that water out, dear Char... and there is only One who does: the HOLY ONE of Israel and Holy Spirit, JAHESHUA, the Chosen One of JAH (MischaJah), who is the Son and Christ of the MOST HOLY ONE of Israel, JAH of Armies.

May you be given EARS to hear that call, dear one. Indeed, may the undeserved kindness and mercy of MY God and Father, that MOST HOLY ONE... and the love and peace of His Son and Christ... that HOLY One and Holy Spirit... be UPON you... if you TRULY wish it. Truly, dear Char.

My wish for peace for you remains.

A slave of Christ,

Shellamar

Char says...

Because, as I have said, times without number, the Body of our Blessed Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, Son of God is the Church, the community of those who profess faith in her and belief in Him, the Son of Man and third Person of the Trinity. If you "profess" union with the Body, frankly, it's just plain weird.



Char.... I am completely confused by this statement. So, you say....the body IS the church, those that PROFESS....faith IN HER....

Then you say, If we profess union with the body, frankly , its just plain weird!"

WEIRD HOW CHAR? You just said the body IS the church, those that PROFESS FAITH...

Why is is OKAY for YOU to say PROFESS and its weird for US to say PROFESS?

But then you say " profess faith IN HER!. Who's the HER? The RCC? Please tell me I am misunderstanding this?


Then you say....you DO hear his voice ? Then you've said you DONT hear him directly? ...
Then its NOT a VOICE that would identify you as " belonging to him" .....Then you don't talk with him directly but are SURE that we are truly listening to false voices, not His voice! How would you know Char who or what we truly are listening to? Is it because it does NOT agree with the RCC? The VOICE that you identify with hearing over our LORDS voice?
So it must SURELY be a wrong voice?

As to the comments the Pope said on all the news I watched and read, he did say that although he does not judge, " that homosexuality IS sinning, but being GAY is not."
Now I don't care one way or the other whether a person is gay or not, I am a sinner myself. We're ALL in the same boat that is sinking. CHRIST is the only life boat!
You may try to soften how the RCC views gay people. But I will tell you, Catholics and most Christian religions have a BIG problem with their orientation!

I don't really care if he was quoting from the catholic catechism! Why should he be using THAT ( uninspired book like the watchtower publications) over the BIBLE or Holy Spirit as a first choice?
Isn't he supposed to be annointed with this spirit ?...and it teaching Him?.....not the Catechism?

Char, I understand you do not agree with this. I also know you think I follow Shelby. Believe what you want. Okay by me! But you are falsely making an accusation that she shuts up the kingdom to individuals that Jesus has opened the way for.
This is an outright LIE on your behalf. She has repeatedly over and over and over again and we've had this conversation before Char, she has done NOTHING but share our Lord and the way to salvation through him. And that Holy Spirit is FREE!!!! It is a gift to ANYONE who is asking!!!!!

You can't ever say that about the RCC! Nothing has ever been FREE with them!!!!! If it was they wouldn't be hoarding the worlds wealth. Char what are they holding onto this for? Material riches are valueless in the kingdom, can't take em with you!

My sister Shelby words this much better than I ever could right now and my sprit bears full witness with this sharing to you!



No, dear, dear Char. No. Shame... on you, dear one. Shame on you... for stubbornly sticking to your "golden calf"... rather than walking in FAITH. Shame on you... that although like Moses, our dear Lord HAS gone up the "mountain" to prepare a way for us... he is NOT dead... can hear US... and we, him... yet you deny this... and keep trying to deny us our proclamation of this. Shame on you... for professing to be a member of Christ's Body... yet, having your faith, love, and loyalty... in a body of people who don't even belong to him. Shame on you... for not telling others the TRUTH: that the Son of God, the HOLY One of Israel and Holy Spirit, JAHESHUA, the Chosen One of JAH (MischaJah)... is not only ALIVE... risen from the dead and grave... and so LIVES... but SPEAKS... and leads HIS Body... HIMSELF... and not through the various manmade organizations that purport to sit in his seat and stand in the Way... and be some kind of mediator/middleman conduit that folks must join to, be apart of, and follow the tenets of... in order to be joined to him!

Shame... on you... dear Char... for not OPENLY professing this truth, as you once were of the mind and heart to do... yet, allowing your hurt feelings... because someone disagreed with you and pointed out your error as to your poor treatment of another... you shrunk back. Shame on you... for listening to earthling man... and putting your trust in them... when we, the Body, were told NOT to put our trust in earthling man... or in nobles... because their breath goes out... and they DIE... just like the rest of us! Shame on you... for trying to point not only non-Body members, but the Body itself... to these men... and their tenets and catechisms, etc., rather than to the HOLY ONE of Israel and Holy Spirit, JAHESHUA, the Chosen One of JAH, who the MOST HOLY ONE of Israel GAVE to mankind... to guide, and lead, and teach them... so that they need any other mediators!

Shame... on... you... dear, dear Char... because you are allowing you FEAR... which fear you acquired when you ran from the traps of the RCC into the trap of the WTBTS, and uncovered yet a deeper wasps nest of lies... but because you lacked the faith to keep moving FORWARD... turned BACK... and wish to take others back with you.

If returning to "Egypt" is what makes you happy, dear one... then, please... by all means: go. We wish you NO harm and mean you NO illwill. We, though... well, at least me and MY household... will keep following the Lamb. Wherever HE goes. And he's not going through the RCC, dear one. Truly. His "dragnet" went through THAT "city" some time ago. True, on occasion some will hear the call to get out of HER... but if you've noticed, most leave her... for the WTBTS. Which is where his dragnet is now. How long in which be in that "city"... only he knows.

But it is to the "inhabitants" of THAT is the "city" that our message to "GET OUT OF 'HER'" is primarily directed, not the RCC. Hopefully, except where YOU bring that "city" (the RCC) up... others will be able to simply move on past "her"... and focus on the other. When YOU bring her up, though, you should expect to receive comments from others as to her "uncleanness." You really should expect nothing less. Especially since YOU have absolutely NO problems pointing out the uncleanness of the WTBTS. Which is fine with US. We just think you should be aware of the three fingers pointing back at the RCC, is all.

Shame on you... for ALL of this... while professing to be a member of the Body of Christ. ALL of this, however, PROVES that you have not yet attained to that position, dear one. But... the Door stands open, still. May you, then... HEAR... when the SPIRIT and his Bride SAY to you (and by say, I mean SAY... as in WORDS):

[b]"Come! Take life's water... free!" [b]

But you would have to come to the One who pours that water out, dear Char... and there is only One who does: the HOLY ONE of Israel and Holy Spirit, JAHESHUA, the Chosen One of JAH (MischaJah), who is the Son and Christ of the MOST HOLY ONE of Israel, JAH of Armies.




Whether or not you can understand this, we DO love you and pray that you can have eyes and ears to understand that what you see in the WTBS, you will some day see the same with the RCC so that our Lord Jaheshua, the holy one, son of JAH, the Most holy one of Israel will be ENOUGH for you

Love to you always
Justmom

You're really a muddled old thing, aren't you, justmom?

I know that the kinder people here...you, all of you, who don't post because you daren't place yourselves against the prevailing tide as I do but contact me supportively elsewhere ...and each of you knows that I fully understand how you feel and don't blame you in the least

All the above rubbish is not worth answering point by point. There's nothing worth even paying attention to.

Some of these lines you post are just so nasty Chariklo. You resort to this because you are never able to substantiate your views, even from the bible, and when by your own words you're repeatedly exposed as one without scriptural knowledge, and one who doesn't know Christ and who constantly contradicts yourself, you resort to the insults. JustMom doesn't deserve this anymore than Shelby does. I'm afraid it is just a case of 'the truth hurts' isn't it? You are regularly brought down to size here, in no uncertain terms, by Christ's own words that others do have knowledge of. Your responses just make you look even more ridiculous Chariklo I'm afraid. And actually fitting the patronising insult you've thrown out to another: "you really are a muddled old thing, (Char) aren't you?"

If these 'people' exist which I actually doubt, why on earth would they be here feeling like this? And you're suggesting not only do they disagree with people here, in support of you, but are too lily livered to speak up! Pretty pathetic I'd say, not to have the courage of your own convictions even on an Internet forum.

Loz x

Hello, Tammy, lovely to have you back!

I don't back things up?...

oh Tammy, at one time I made every effort to do so, but having seen Shelby twist even the words of the Bible to suit her own ends (especially if I post it), frankly, there has seemed little point.

It is untrue to say that I no longer back anything up by Scripture, I very often refer to Scripture assuming you will know chapter and verse. Where it might not be known you'll find I do. It is a very very JW habit constantly to be quoting references, as though there is some merit in it.

Yes, I do completely ignore some of the really spiteful and malicious posts, usually from Shelby. Why would I want to give them any attention?

Here we have you, Loz, justmom and...now who else is in the business of hearing a voice?

Looking down the list of members, I can see a couple of others who have said they do, but who rarely put in an appearance here, and that's about it.

A few other people who are drawn here for one reason or another, and a whole lot of people who used to come and post regularly but now wouldn't be seen dead in the place.

Anyone reading this might remember that there were several moderators who used to be here and used to post. They've pretty well found they couldn't take the nonsense any longer, apart from Outlaw who is good and will always do his duty as he sees it, but right now he is unwell and can't be here.

You are in so very much of a minority. Yet you think you're right!!!!!

Sad.

Good Morning to everyone....

Thank you so much for the love and support you have shown here.

To Char, I do realize you do not agree. Of course you don't. You can't. Because the same things that are so clear to some with reference to the WTBS is the same things with the RCC. You see it with ONE but not the other.
And for those that do, this is why the message seems so repetative, SO SIMILAR.
It is NOT Shelby we are following, it is the SAME one that she follows. Our Lord and savior Jaheshua, the son of Jah the most holy of Israel.

Now I am the first to admit, I do not type any where near as much and as fast as she does. I will admit, I do not have the intellectual knowledge that SHE HAS!
Maybe not even the intellect that YOU HAVE Char.....

But when EVER has that mattered to Jah? it is the hearts that he is searching! It is FAITH that he is looking for!
He did not chose " the wise and intellectual ones, but the foolish things of the world."

The body of Christ is still ONE! With all the members being valuable in HIS EYES, not yours!
All being different, some given 1 talent, some 2,3 or 5! But for ONE purpose .
To minister, share the good news and to bring glory and honor to our father in heaven, and the one that He has glorified as the holy Spirit and told us to listen to and follow.

Because we herald a similar message of this....And it is does not comport with the RCC, you personally have taken it that we listen to a wrong voice.
Yet, although you look to an earthly institution with ONE man although human fleshly and sinful, leading over a billion people, who refers to a non-inspired sets of doctrines for confirmation of beliefs handed down, white-washing teachings ( now called reform or new light) to gain more members to acquire more wealth...An institution that calls themselves "The True Church".... (very similar to the WTBS calling themselves "the truth")...

You do NOT even think it possible to entertain that it could BE YOU Char that could possibly be listening to a strange voice. ???

We have said this before Char, we have gone past organized institutions on earth. Holy spirit is our one and true leader now. It is our lord that is grooming us, teaching us, disciplining us in LOVE and TRUTH. Not an earthly man-made corporation. Not the WTBS, Not the RCC! There is NO difference to some of us! You just don't see it!

It is okay though Char! We will still preach CHRIST!!! We will still preach this Good News!!! The light will still shine in the darkness. How small the flickers may seem, it will overpower the darkneess!
I have Love for you Char, I do!
Always, Justmom