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I believe the catholic catechism stuff is available to anyone who wants it. It is on-line, from what I can tell.

Interesting info on the bible and catholic editions, etc.



Peace,
tammy

Thanks TAMMY

I wasn't sure if it was public info.

Thanks Justmom

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To fear me is to love me....

I LOVE that song, dear Pup (peace to you!)... and Phil Collins ("I can feel it coming on the air at night... hold on!"). But... not even close, dear one. Paradise has NOTHING to do with THIS world. As my Lord said, HIS kingdom is NO part of this world. Would it be "nice" for all of man to dwell together... in peace (and by default, agreement)? Of course. So MANY, however forget that Christ said:

"I did NOT come to bring peace... but a SWORD."

I often marvel at those "christians" who think that HIS peace is "in the way the WORLD gives it" (i.e., absence of war/conflict, when he is recorded to have SAID, "I give you peace, NOT in the way the worlds gives it").

Would that the so-called "christians" would PAY ATTENTION to what he SAID. Better yet, to what he is SAYING. NOW.

Again, peace to you!

YOUR servant and a slave of Christ,

Shellama

Wait. And this:



Some VERY interesting information in the Code of Canon Law (which surprised ME; I mean, there is MORE law... BESIDES "Moses" and the NEW "Covenant" (Law)??): http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/__P2Q.HTM

The following site is quite interesting, as well, particularly these comments:



And...



Wow... that's quite a bit of time "after Christ."

This...



Some other real good stuff in there, too!

Peace!

A slave of Christ,

Shellama, who, again, isn't attacking ANYONE or anyone's RELIGION, but simply responding to the comments made TO and ABOUT her (i.e., to the effect of being her showing ignorance and writing drival as a result of [such] ignorance... and telling deliberate lies, falsehoods, whoppers, and naughty porkies... whatever the latter might be... which she feels compelled to addresse... and put to a final and resolute rest... which this and her previous comments on the matter should suffice to do... but don't write her off just yet, as her Lord may direct her to even more corroboration that, yes, indeed, that Catholics have their own Bible... no, wait... Bibles... but doesn't really CARE that they do, just wish folks would stop pointing one finger at others (or may have one specific Bible) while there are three... well, actually quite a few more... Bibles... I mean, fingers... pointing back...

So? Your point being, Shelby?

The odd thing is, I can hardly believe it, but however unlikely it might seem, it appears that you, Shelby, have confirmed the point I and Paul and Sab too have been making. After all, facts speak for themselves. Thank you for putting up that information!

It seems unlikely that it was your intention, but there we go.

In any case, whatever those recommendations are in the USA, they are recommendations only. There's no forbidding to read other translations. Naturally, I can't speak as to the American situation. What I can say is that in Britain, while certainly one translation is in use actually in churches, in the liturgy, any number of translations are in use among ordinary Catholics, anything can be bought in any High Stret bookshop, and there is absolutely no prohibition. As a Catholic, regularly in attendance at Mass at the very least once a week but usually more often, I'm not even aware of a list of recommended Bible editions for Britain, and I doubt if many individual Catholics are.

Most practising Catholics, though, will prefer to have at their fingertips the fullest and most complete Bible available rather than one from which some books are excluded. Who wouldn't? What a lot people who use a short Bible are missing!

A little anecdote to do with this comes to mind. The two JW's who first used to come to see me were very surprised to learn that my Bible ( a Jerusalem Bible) contained stories they didn't know. I had referred to the tale of Tobias and the angel. 

The brother in particular, who had been a Catholic (one of the reasons I had invited him in when he first came with another brother) was a very nice person, as was his wife. We all got on really well, which is how I came to be drawn into the whole WT scene. Anyway, he asked to see my Bible and saw the books that had been cut out of the NWT and Protestant Bibles in general. He asked if he could read it and borrowed it, even though his wife looked worried. He brought it back with a lot of questions. 

No coincidence, I think, that a few weeks afterwards, those two were replaced by the elder who was the Secretary of the congregation and his wife. Those two came for a while and then  after a few weeks the elder's wife became my study conductor and thereafter used to come with other sisters. 

No more Book of Tobit! 

It's not the Catholic Church that is controlling. Oh! The first brother and his wife were subsequently disciplined and re-educated for having borrowed my Bible!

Its funny how the sole purpose of JW rank and file publishers is to try and push people into reading their bible and publications. I think they honestly think its something of a printed miracle that no one should miss out on and something new that no one has ever thought of before. YET they refuse to read or touch any books, bibles or religious books from other religions. How can they know if other writings are wrong if they can't compare by reading them?

My Mom was very sincere but as brainwashed as they come. She pushed her publications on anyone that came near her. When she got brain cancer and had Personal support workers come everyday to help her with baths and housework she attacked the poor women with preaching lol. Most would take the publications and say nothing just to be polite but one lady was Catholic and very outspoken and she told her point of view right back to my Mom. She was much like you Char in that she knew her religion. I giggled when I watched this happening, the lady said I will read your stuff but you need to read my bible too and she brought hers and left it with my Mom. My Mom took it reluctantly like it was full of venom, never opened it to any page, put it down and never touched it again. I said why do you think she should read your stuff but you don't look at her point of view. Of course her answer was because I know the truth and I know that is from Satan. Haha

My Mom died 5 months later and the bible that lady left sat untouched, I tried to return it to the PSW but I lost her number.

My Mom attacked the Koran also when we were at the hospital for her checkup, this devout looking muslim man was reading it in the waiting room and she said something to the effect that her bible was different and more accurate. He came back at her nicely and asked what was wrong in it, have you read it? She moved to another seat so she could avoid answering him as she had never read anything in the actual Koran, only what she read in the WT publications and what they quoted and cherry picked from it.

I have a copy of the Koran too, Zoe.

It's not my faith but it is very interesting and beautiful, and contains some of the same information as our Bible. I have other literature too from other religions, including Hinduism.

I think it is important to treat all faiths with respect, which does not mean we follow them. I know many of my friends have the same attitude.

The problem comes when people can't understand that because someone doesn't agree with them, they are not being hostile. Then they get hostile back, even though the first person wasn't hostile in the first place, and before you know it there is trouble.

The catholic bible is the bible, the complete bible from it's oldest roots, minus the following:
The works of the Apostolic fathers, Epistle of Barnabus and the Shepard of Hermas.
It is called the catholic bible to distinguish it from the protestant/reformist bible that not only does NOT incluse does mentioned above but also does not include the "deutro-canonical/apocryphal" books.
As Shelby showed, the RCC has approved a few different versions as acceptable based on them being "correct" in regards to catholic doctrines.
If you compare any of those with each other you see they are basically the same with only minor translation differences, nothing that effects any orthodox doctrines.
The RCC or the Orthodox or even the various protestant and evangelical groups would NOT approve the NWT because it inserts things where there is no evidence for them being there ( the name Jehovah in the NT for example) and translates some things so as to conform to their doctrines that are not orthodox ( the use of "a" in John 1:1 for example) or go against established translation guidelines.

Countering your claim that there is no Catholic Bible, dear Char (mornin' and peace to you!). As well as that my asserting there is, in corroboration of what a Catholic, dear P (mornin' and peace to you, too, dear one!), stated... was neither not the result of ignorance, nor a deliberate lie, falsehood, whopper, or naughty pokey... but an actual fact. Which was thoroughly done.



Nor did I ever make that claim. Ever. MY claim was simply to corroborate what dear P stated, that there IS a Catholic Bible. Now, I totally understand your current attempts to obscure what my contribution was about... because that's your style. When your errors are brought to the light, you always come up with something that has absolutely nothing to do with the matter in an attempt to cover YOUR ignorance (as to YOUR own religion/faith). When perhaps what you SHOULD do is get yourself a little more acclimated. With your own religion... as well as, perhaps, the WTBTS. Because you keep demonstrating that you don't REALLY know what EITHER of them are really about/teach/do/have.

Which is probably why you keep vacillating between the two: you can't see that, underneath it all, they're really not THAT much different. It's just all of the modern "fluff" that makes it SEEM so. But just as with people, so with religion: JAH does not look at the OUTWARD appearance... but examines the "heart" and "kidneys." You should consider doing the same.



Why not? You seem to think you can "naturally" speak to a whole lot of other stuff (that you probably shouldn't).



You CAN'T say that, dear Char. What you CAN say is that "in [your] experience" such and such is the case. You have no idea who may have been prohibited from what where and by whom. NO idea. Yet, you keep offering (very erroneous) rhetoric as to what the WTBTS teaches. Here, you are disputing another's assertion that Catholics SHE knew of were prohibited from using ENGLISH Bibles, being confined to only using the Latin Bible. And she claims that it was not the Anglican Church but the RCC. "Impossible!" you cry. Is it POSSIBLE, though, that given the time frame, it WAS the "RCC"... but perhaps the "Old Roman Catholic Church"? You know, those folks who, along with some others, believe in the TRADITIONAL ways, including adhering to the Latin writings, ONLY? I recall some controversy about all of that just in my lifetime (perhaps not even more than 30 years ago).

Here's some (a lot, actually) information on those folks, even in Great Britain/UK... so that perhaps you can (again) acclimate yourself:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canonical_ ... lic_Church

http://www.oldromancatholic.org.uk/Grea ... /Home.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Roman_ ... _in_Europe

http://www.orccna.org/history/succession.htm

http://orcce.webs.com/bishop.htm



Then perhaps, again, you (and they) should acclimate yourself to your OWN faith... before venturing to take issue with others as to theirs. Something to consider, is all.



Wrong, again. The Bible "tastes" of most Catholics tend to run the gamut. A cursory internet search will show that. Again, acclimate FIRST... rather than just ignorantly opine, dear one. Else, someone (perhaps me) might accuse YOU of deliberately lying.

Again, peace to you!

Your servant and a slave of Christ,

Shellama




I think it is important to treat all faiths with respect,

Oh! And I meant to add, dear Char (again, peace to you!) in regard to this:



... that THAT... IS a lie, falsehood, whopper and pokey. I am not willing to say it's DELIBERATE (because I just don't think you KNOW what you do... ), but I am willing to say that, given your track record for it HERE... it is "natural"... for you. Regardless, it certainly isn't the truth. Therefore, it is a lie.

Peace!

A slave of Christ,

Shellama

Good morning everyone.....


So whether the Bible has 66 books, 73 books, or 166 books in it.....complete or not.....
Which being tampered/ twisted with is what our Lord told us would happen...

IS WHY...this law is to be on our hearts not in books or bibles, this was why...The Holy Spirit was to and could dwell in us therefore NOT needing man, books, bibles to teach what was [i]NOT the truth! [/i]

Christ is the only way and truth and the ONLY thing the scriptures [b]point to!

Jhn 5:39 "You search the Scriptures because you think they give you eternal life. But the Scriptures point to me.

Jhn 5:40 Yet you refuse to come to me to receive this life.

Jhn 5:41 "Your approval means nothing to me,


So our Lord doesn't care one bit about mans approval of him or in approval of books.


It is only by HIM that eternal life exists. Take away your bibles, throw them in the garbage if you can....if all you had was CHRIST and His spirit , would it be enough? Could you truly walk by faith and not by sight? Could we prove that the law is truly on our hearts and not on stone ( or leather)
That we trust Holy Spirit would teach us ALL truth?
Guide and direct our steps???

Fulfill 1 John that says to those that have this annointing, that they do not need anyone to be teaching them, that the spirit would teach them.


Wanted to share
Love to you all
Justmom

Amen to that Justmom!!


Peace,
tammy