xjwsforChrist

No path is dark so long as one carries a light.

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To fear me is to love me....

That didn't work. I was hoping the picture would come up on the page. Pup, are you able to repost that, it's Holman Hunt's painting of Christ, the Light of the World, just one artist's impression, but beautiful. I can't make it work from my iPhone and haven't yet been able to get my password right to log in off the iPad!

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Loz, I struggle to understand exactly why you say that I am looking for eternal life in the Scriptures. That's simply not true. My point in this thread is that the Watchtower has blasphemed the Holy Spirit by consciously attacking him/her in Scripture. They freely admit that they are an army and they wish to destroy. That's exactly what making the Holy Spirit into an object does. They have exposed themselves for the Trojan Horse they are and as an enemy of the Spirit and of the followers of the Lamb of God. They do this by switching everything around in Christian and Jewish Scripture using clever tricks of grammar. They don't just attack the Holy Spirit they attack all three elements of the Trinity.

You, and those who believe as you, devalue Scripture by not assigning the proper authority to Ancient Hebrew and Biblical Koine Greek grammar. This is extreme heresy and this thread is my warning. I am willing to explain why this is so, but if you keep throwing thought stopping language at me I will eventually lose patience and walk away.

You are questioning my faith, which is a position of judgement. You are saying that because I value Scripture in the manner of which I do that I lack faith in God and his Son. As a people who consistently claim to not be judgmental I must conclude your persistence in questioning my faith as wholly hypocritical.

I have a strong faith in God because that's what Scripture demands. That's why Genesis 1:1 is a simple declarative statement. Humanity has studied the wonders of creation since their beginning and we are still not even close to understanding it. Even today the statement "God created the heavens and the earth" is one of faith. That cornerstone of faith must be laid down first for Scripture to be understood. Without faith in God as the Creator of the Universe his Words will be misunderstood and misapplied.

There is, however, only ONE correct explanation of Scripture and that would be the grammatical one.





Loz and Tec, it very much IS about scholarship because humanity was designed to continue forward in knowledge and understanding of themselves and their place in the universe. To dismiss scholars and scientists is akin to dismissing the power of the sun, the moon and stars. It is the same thing as saying the earth is flat even though we can prove it's not. It's denial which leads to destruction.

-Sab

Clever old Outlaw! Sheriff rides in to save the day!

Thank you!

Scholars and scientists can be and have been and ARE... wrong, mistaken, misled, limited to currently available known facts (but not knowing what they do not know), etc. Scholars and scientists are men, and men are prone to making mistakes.

So... dismissing them is not akin to dismissing the power of the sun and moon and stars.

Not that anyone actually IS dismissing them, Sab. We are just not putting our faith in them, over the ONE who DOES know, since all life came THROUGH Christ.



Sab, by your own words, you are on this board to fight the faith of those of us who follow the Spirit, who place our faith in Him alone. You came here to tell us that we are wrong, that our faith is wrong, that the One we listen to is wrong... and that we should listen to you instead. You are setting yourself up to be questioned/tested... when you say that people should listen to you. You made it about you, Sab.

If you want people to listen to you, then I am going to suggest to you that we are not your audience.


Peace,
tammy

The sun, the moon and the stars make mistakes too. All of them die which is the product of SIN. Stars are made to fall.

You ARE dismissing the sciences used to maintain Scripture into the modern day by CHANGING the Scriptures using mysticism. This is exactly what the Watchtower did with Johannes Greber. You are following a sorcerer and you are being led into heresy.



I do wish for people to listen to me, but I don't expect that from the one's I speak to. I have a witness that I must bear, I know you can appreciate that. I do hate to be bearer of bad news, but despite your claims to the contrary you are on the outside looking in. You do not know Christ, you know a mirage. I tell you this because I care for you. I speak the truth even though it hurts me deeply to do so. I follow the truth wherever it leads me and it has lead me here with you at this very moment. You have a choice to heed my message or not. Stand down, repent and turn from your wickedness. There is still time.

It is like coming across a friend who is covered in boils and on the brink of death. I have the information you need to heal yourself, but only you can apply the healing measures, I can only inform you of them. If you refuse then your punishment will simply be the cause and effect of the disease that you have allowed to develop.

-Sab

Your most welcome Miss Char!..


................................OUTLAW

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Y'all are starting to get dramatic now

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To fear me is to love me....

Merely appreciating the gracious input of the local Sheriff!

Yes, let's see what they "include", dear Char (peace to you!), per Paul (who wrote them down... and note, there is no "the" in front of the phrase "holy spirit"... NOR is either capitalized):

"About the gifts of the spirit, brothers, I want you to be quite certain. You remember that, when you were pagans, you were irresistibly drawn to inarticulate heathen gods. Because of that, I want to make it quite clear to you that no one who says 'A curse on [Jesus]' can be speaking in/by spirit of God, and nobody is able to say, '[Jesus] is Lord' except in/by/with holy spirit.

"There are different gifts, but always the same spirit; there are different ways of serving, but it is always the same Lord. There are different forms of activity, but in everybody it is the same God who is at work in them all. The particular manifestation of the spirit granted to each one is to be used for the general good:

"To one is given from the spirit the gift of utterance expressing wisdom; to another the gift of utterance expressing knowledge, in accordance with the same spirit; to another, faith, from the same spirit; and to another, the gifts of healing, through this one spirit; to another, the working of miracles; to another, prophecy; to another, the power of distinguishing* spirits; to one, the gift of different tongues and to another, the interpretation of tongues.

"At work in all these is one and the same spirit distributing them (the gifts) at will to each individual.

"For as with the human body which is a unity although it has many parts -- all the parts of the body, though many, still making up one single body -- so it is with Christ. We were baptised into one body in a single spirit, Jews as well as Greeks, slaves as well as free men, and we were all given the same spirit to drink.

[Funny... I don't think one can drink a PERSON. One CAN, however... and those of Christ's Body MUST... drink Christ's BLOOD - John 6:48-58. His SPIRIT. Which spirit He received from God: HOLY spirit.

Please, dear one, if the future you might consider listing ALL of gifts... and their source (God's spirit, through Christ, which those who receive must drink in order to MANIFEST such gifts), rather than just the one or two you recall "from memory." Because the memory can be wrong... even misleading.

Again, peace to you!

YSSFS of Christ,

Shellama

*The Greek word diakrisis (G1253), which one might condescend to look up if one truly wishes to understand what is meant here. Don't forget the root words, though...

Sab said...

We MUST stay true to a grammatical understanding of Scriptures. This means that fervent study of the original languages are paramount to full understanding. However, it seems that my words will fall on deaf ears. You are perfectly fine with maintaining a false understanding of Scripture and then propagating it to others. The number one problem with our western world is the literal interpretation of Genesis. It's a scourge that you are caught up in.


Sab....

I will admit, I do not know much about Hebrew, Aramaic or Greek. No scholarships or degrees in religion of any kind.
But my Lord who does.....is the voice that has taught me and led me to where I am on my path today.
He has never lied to me and even when I may not completely understand at times what he may be telling me, when I am patient and maintain my faith, he completes the pieces of the puzzle for me which makes a clear picture in time and leads to complete understanding.
It is not study of the scriptures that has led to this. It is coming to and putting faith and relying on the one that Jah has sent and told me to listen to.

You may believe truly that I am being misled. I understand how you feel.

But for me I saw and experienced miracles in my life that led me out of the WTBS, and experienced receiving the free gift of Holy Spirit within me. I cannot deny from where this came and who continually leads me.

And my faith continues with him and his voice, not yours or anyone's else's.

Love to you
Justmom

Indeed, dear Pup (peace to you!). Hence, as my dear Lord, the HOLY ONE of Israel, JAHESHUA, the Chosen One of JAH (MischaJah) is recorded to have said:

"I am the Light of the world. He that follows ME will by NO means walk in darkness'..."

Peace to you!

Your servant and a slave of Christ,

Shellama