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So, okay, let’s this again (peace to you all, those of the Household of God, Israel… and to those of you who go with!)

When you “picture” in your “mind’s eye” (yeah, I know – sounds WTBTS-ish; sorry, I couldn’t resist – I’m still recovering from my earlier angst over losing the first post - please don’t take my vernacular in this regard too seriously – LOLOL! Just thought it sounded a little more entertaining than “When YOU think of”…)

Anyway, when you picture Christ returning “on the clouds” is it something like one (or more) of the images shown here:

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&sit ... the+clouds

???

Or is it something different?

An evening ago, I was speaking with my JaHVeH and what he showed me was something like (but not exactly) this:

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Now, please note, I am not sharing this to frighten anyone, but to perhaps help those who wish to know… and possibly prepare for… the truth. Especially in light of my JaHVeH’s words:

[color=#000FF]“‘the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;[/color]

I could never imagine how this could occur with [something similar to] the white cumulus/cirrus clouds we all know… and, as shown by the images in the link above, many assume with be the case. However, if what he showed me is similar to what will occur, then scenes like these should help us understand what he/the writers meant:

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What I saw, however, were not clouds of dust… but clouds of… wait for it… smoke.

Some of you will recall how I’ve shared with you that the MOST HOLY One of Israel, JAH of Armies, is a seraph Himself (albeit, the highest form of such a being). And shared with you as to His “dynamic energy,” what that basically consists of. If you do, then picturing clouds of smoke might not be too difficult.

In case you don’t recall, however, or in case clouds of smoke might be a stretch for you to “receive,” I share the following scriptures and verses with you:

Exodus 13:21 - By day JaHVeH went ahead of them in a pillar of cloud to guide them on their way and by night in a pillar of fire to give them light, so that they could travel by day or night.

Exodus 13:22 - Neither the pillar of cloud by day nor the pillar of fire by night left its place in front of the people.

Exodus 14:19 - Then the Spirit of God, who had been traveling in front of Israel’s army, withdrew and went behind them. The pillar of cloud also moved from in front and stood behind them…

Exodus 14:20 - Throughout the night the cloud brought darkness to the one side and light to the other side; so neither went near the other all night long.

Exodus 14:24 - During the last watch of the night JaHVeH looked down from the pillar of fire and cloud at the Egyptian army and threw it into confusion.

Exodus 16:10 - While Aaron was speaking to the whole Israelite community, they looked toward the desert, and there was the glory of JaHVeH appearing in the cloud.

Exodus 19:9 - JaHVeH said to Moses, “I am going to come to you in a dense cloud, so that the people will hear me speaking with you and will always put their trust in you.” Then Moses told JaHVeH what the people had said.

Exodus 19:16 - On the morning of the third day there was thunder and lightning, with a thick cloud over the mountain, and a very loud trumpet blast. Everyone in the camp trembled.

Exodus 19:18 – Mount Sinai was covered with smoke, because JaHVeH descended on it in fire. The smoke billowed up from it like smoke from a furnace, and the whole mountain trembled violently.

Exodus 20:18 - When the people saw the thunder and lightning and heard the trumpet and saw the mountain in smoke, they trembled with fear.

Exodus 24:15 - When Moses went up on the mountain, the cloud covered it,

Exodus 24:16 - and the glory of JaHVeH settled on Mount Sinai. For six days the cloud covered the mountain, and on the seventh day JaHVeH called to Moses from within the cloud.

Exodus 24:18 - Then Moses entered the cloud as he went on up the mountain. And he stayed on the mountain forty days and forty nights.

Exodus 33:9 - As Moses went into the tent, the pillar of cloud would come down and stay at the entrance, while JaHVeH spoke with Moses.

Exodus 33:10 - Whenever the people saw the pillar of cloud standing at the entrance to the tent, they all stood and worshiped, each at the entrance to their tent.

Exodus 34:5 - Then JaHVeH came down in the cloud and stood there with him and proclaimed his name, JaHVeH.

Exodus 40:34 - Then the cloud covered the tent of meeting, and the glory of JaHVeH filled the tabernacle.

Exodus 40:35 - Moses could not enter the tent of meeting because the cloud had settled on it, and the glory of JaHVeH filled the tabernacle.

Exodus 40:36 - In all the travels of the Israelites, whenever the cloud lifted from above the tabernacle, they would set out;

Exodus 40:37 - but if the cloud did not lift, they did not set out—until the day it lifted.

Exodus 40:38 - So the cloud of JaHVeH was over the tabernacle by day, and fire was in the cloud by night, in the sight of all the Israelites during all their travels.

Leviticus 16:2 - JaHVeH said to Moses: “Tell your brother Aaron that he is not to come whenever he chooses into the Most Holy Place behind the curtain in front of the atonement cover on the ark, or else he will die. For I will appear in the cloud over the atonement cover.

Numbers 9:15 - On the day the tabernacle, the tent of the covenant law, was set up, the cloud covered it. From evening till morning the cloud above the tabernacle looked like fire.

Numbers 9:16 - That is how it continued to be; the cloud covered it, and at night it looked like fire.

Numbers 11:25 - Then JaHVeH came down in the cloud and spoke with him, and he took some of the power of the spirit that was on him and put it on the seventy elders. When the Spirit rested on them, they prophesied—but did not do so again.

Numbers 14:14 - And they will tell the inhabitants of this land about it. They have already heard that you, JAHVEH, are with these people and that you, JAHVEH, have been seen face to face, that your cloud stays over them, and that you go before them in a pillar of cloud by day and a pillar of fire by night.

Numbers 16:42 - But when the assembly gathered in opposition to Moses and Aaron and turned toward the tent of meeting, suddenly the cloud covered it and the glory of JaHVeH appeared.

Deuteronomy 4:11 - You came near and stood at the foot of the mountain while it blazed with fire to the very heavens, with black clouds and deep darkness.

Deuteronomy 5:22 - These are the commandments JaHVeH proclaimed in a loud voice to your whole assembly there on the mountain from out of the fire, the cloud and the deep darkness; and he added nothing more. Then he wrote them on two stone tablets and gave them to me.

2 Samuel 22:10 - He parted the heavens and came down; dark clouds were under his feet.

2 Samuel 22:9 - Smoke rose from his nostrils; consuming fire came from his mouth, burning coals blazed out of it.

2 Samuel 22:12 - He made darkness his canopy around him— the dark [rain] clouds of the sky.

1 Kings 8:12 - Then Solomon said, “JaHVeH has said that he would dwell in a dark cloud;

Psalm 18:8 - Smoke rose from his nostrils; consuming fire came from his mouth, burning coals blazed out of it.

Psalm 18:9 - He parted the heavens and came down; dark clouds were under his feet.

Psalm 97:2 – Clouds and thick darkness surround him; righteousness and justice are the foundation of his throne.

Psalm 104:32 - he who looks at the earth, and it trembles, who touches the mountains, and they smoke.

Song of Solomon 3:6 - Who is this coming up from the wilderness like a column of smoke, perfumed with myrrh and incense made from all the spices of the merchant?

Isaiah 4:5 - Then JaHVeH will create over all of Mount Zion and over those who assemble there a cloud of smoke by day and a glow of flaming fire by night; over everything the glory will be a canopy.

Isaiah 6:4 - At the sound of their voices the doorposts and thresholds shook and the temple was filled with smoke.

Isaiah 14:31 - Wail, you gate! Howl, you city! Melt away, all you Philistines! A cloud of smoke comes from the north, and there is not a straggler in its ranks.

Isaiah 30:27 - See, the Name of JaHVeH comes from afar, with burning anger and dense clouds of smoke; his lips are full of wrath, and his tongue is a consuming fire.

Ezekiel 1:4 - I looked, and I saw a windstorm coming out of the north – an immense cloud with flashing lightning and surrounded by brilliant light. The center of the fire looked like glowing metal,

Joel 2:30 - I will show wonders in the heavens and on the earth, blood and fire and billows of smoke.

Revelation 15:8 - And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God and from his power, and no one could enter the temple until the seven plagues of the seven angels were completed.


(Please note, “the Spirit of God” as mentioned at Exodus 14:19, and the “atonement cover” mentioned at Leviticus 16:2 is Christ (2Corinthians 3:17; 1 John 2:2; 4:10)). The “rain” clouds mentioned at 2 Samuel 22:12 is a scribal error, based on the scribes not having an understanding of “dark”, “heavy,” or “thick” clouds being anything BUT rain clouds.)

Again, I am not sharing this to scare anyone or “put the fear of” anyone in anyone. Certainly not the fear of the HOLY One of Israel and Holy Spirit, my Lord, JAHESHUA, the Chosen One of JAH (MischaJah). To the contrary, I am trying to help PREPARE any who are asking, seeking, knocking… BE prepared.

For as Isaiah and wrote, some will NOT be prepared and so will not only be shocked at what they see, as to my dear Lord’s appearance himself, but the event of his return:

Awake, awake, Zion,
clothe yourself with strength!

For what they were not told, they will see,
and what they have not heard, they will understand.

Isaiah 52:1, 15

(Note, “understand” here, actually means come to know… as in such ones FINALLY “get it”.)


Anyway, I wanted to share this with you, again, for those who wish to prepare themselves… their HEARTS… because it will take great faith to stand when these things occur. If we know what to TRULY expect, however, even if we WANT to falter… and maybe even run… it might be easier to stand still, hold our ground. We will be frightened, no doubt, because the flesh usually is, when it is faced ith something it is not used to, something it doesn’t KNOW. Which will be the case here, for the most part.

But it does not have to be the FULL story. We might be frightened INITIALLY, but if we have had some previous acclimation, some warning, some… preparation… we will be better equipped to hold up… and hold on… should we be alive to literally see these things.

I, SA, have shared this with you, just as it was shown to me by my dear Lord, the HOLY One of Israel and Holy Spirit, JAHESHUA, the Chosen One of JAH (MischaJah).

Peace to you all… and to your households.

Servant to the Household of God, Israel, and all those who go with, and a slave of Christ,

Shellamar

Thanks for this Shelby; it's funny - just a few hours ago I was reading an old post on here about this subject and how you could not share something about it at that time.

Shelby, thank you, as always for sharing as was given to you by Christ. So that we CAN prepare ourselves.

The pictures help. I hadn't thought about the haziness or anything from the ground pov, or what it might actually look like with the sun and the moon blocked like that.


Peace and love to you,
your sister and servant, and fellow slave of Christ,
tammy

So you believe Christ will return visibly shrouded in a cloud? What will he do when comes here, will he speak? I have always wondered why we don't get visible signs of Jah and Christ's existence. We need it more nowadays than they did back then.

Holy Smoke! Thatsalottascripture.

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"I am proud to say that I will not lift one finger ( except my middle finger) for the WTBTS."

"Holy Smoke!" LOL! (pun intended?)

Actually, thanks for this post, Shelby. I had never really given this much thought.

Very interesting thank you. It reminds me of reading some time ago (in the prophets somewhere) about the coming of "days of thick gloom" which would cover the earth and wonder if it relates to the same time of the 'coming' of our Lord?

I found this in the NWT: Jeremiah 13:



Loz x

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"This is my son. LISTEN to Him!"

Loz, you may also be thinking of Zeph 1:14,15:

The great day of Jehovah is near!
It is near and it is approaching very quickly!
The sound of the day of Jehovah is bitter.
There a warrior cries out.
That day is a day of fury,
A day of distress and anguish,
A day of storm and desolation,
A day of darkness and gloom,
A day of clouds and thick gloom,

Think upon it my brothers and sisters: When a human king goes anywhere, does he not travel with an entruage? With those who prepare the way? With those who follow? Etc., etc., etc. Jah is no different. When he came to Mt. Sinai, to meet the people, to speak with Moses, he too was accompanied by myriads of angels in their chariots.

Note what Psalm 68:17 declares (actually read the entire Psalm 68—VERY interesting):

New International Version
The chariots of God are tens of thousands and thousands of thousands; the Lord has come from Sinai into his sanctuary.

New Living Translation
Surrounded by unnumbered thousands of chariots, the Lord came from Mount Sinai into his sanctuary.

English Standard Version
The chariots of God are twice ten thousand, thousands upon thousands; the Lord is among them; Sinai is now in the sanctuary.

New American Standard Bible
The chariots of God are myriads, thousands upon thousands; The Lord is among them as at Sinai, in holiness.

King James Bible
The chariots of God are twenty thousand, even thousands of angels: the Lord is among them, as in Sinai, in the holy place.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
God's chariots are tens of thousands, thousands and thousands; the Lord is among them in the sanctuary as He was at Sinai.

International Standard Version
God's chariots were many thousands. The Lord was there with them at Sinai in holiness.

NET Bible
God has countless chariots; they number in the thousands. The Lord comes from Sinai in holy splendor.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
God rides in ten thousands and thousands of hosts, Lord Jehovah among them of Sinai in his Holiness.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
The chariots of God are twenty thousand in number, thousands upon thousands. The Lord is among them. [The God of] Sinai is in his holy place.

Jubilee Bible 2000
The chariots of God are two thousand, thousands of angels; the Lord is among them as in Sinai, in the sanctuary.

King James 2000 Bible
The chariots of God are twenty thousand, even thousands of angels: the Lord is among them, as in Sinai, in the holy place.

American King James Version
The chariots of God are twenty thousand, even thousands of angels: the Lord is among them, as in Sinai, in the holy place.

American Standard Version
The chariots of God are twenty thousand, even thousands upon thousands; The Lord is among them, as in'sinai, in the sanctuary.

Douay-Rheims Bible
The chariot of God is attended by ten thousands; thousands of them that rejoice: the Lord is among them in Sina, in the holy place.

Darby Bible Translation
The chariots of God are twenty thousand, thousands upon thousands; the Lord is among them: it is a Sinai in holiness.

English Revised Version
The chariots of God are twenty thousand, even thousands upon thousands: the Lord is among them, as in Sinai, in the sanctuary.

Webster's Bible Translation
The chariots of God are twenty thousand, even thousands of angels: the Lord is among them, as in Sinai, in the holy place.

World English Bible
The chariots of God are tens of thousands and thousands of thousands. The Lord is among them, from Sinai, into the sanctuary.

Young's Literal Translation
The chariots of God are myriads, thousands of changes, The Lord is among them, in Sinai, in the sanctuary.


Check out Exodus 19 and 20; 24:17; Deuteronomy 4:11 (black clouds); 33:2; 2 Kings 6:17; Isaiah 66:15; and Hebrews 12:18, to cite a few.


--Armand

Absolutely.....

Every dream I've had when it involves our Lord and Fathers presence of energy it is always as your first picture is depicted. It is a thick, smokey, dust cloud that is the color of dirt.
Never any white as snow look the way the world depicts it.

And yes... LOL to Skallys " Holy smoke!" Comment.

Thank you for sharing what you heard as well as all that is written to support it. Funny how many verses show it and yet the world still sees white as snow clouds. ( more appealing to the physical eyes lol)

And Praie Jah for his love in always sharing truth with us.

Peace to you all
Love your sister and fellow slave of our Lord Jaheshua MischaJah, Kim

LQ,

My puns are most always intended.

I did ponder using a slightly different pun, regarding blowing of smoke................

yet this one was just itching to be used. glad i was able to provide a bit of comic relief, for you.

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Yes, I remember, dear At (peace to you!), although I did not remember specifically which thread.



I'm thinking perhaps you didn't fully read the post, dear Zoe (peace to you, as well, dear lady!). Which is totally understandable: it is pretty long. If you had, though, you might have gotten something different, especially in light of dear Armand's (peace, bruh!) contribution. Even so, it does say "Every eye will see him." So, you could say I believe he will return visibly, yes. "Shrouded in a cloud," though... maybe not so much. At least, not like I think you might mean.



What he said he would do, luv: gather his chosen ones.



I'm sure he will. I mean, I can't see why not: except perhaps when someone's trying to trick/ambush him, he's never been very silent. So, why be so, then?



I'm not so sure we don't, dear one. If we DO, though, it's simply because visible signs don't work with most of earthling man. For most, seeing is NOT believing. If it were, my Lord would not have been put to death. He was put to death BECAUSE of what people SAW (him doing or others doing BECAUSE of him: walking, rejoicing... living...).

So, things were changed so that NOW one is happy even if they DON'T see (with the eyes of their flesh)... yet, believe. Because although they don't "behold" (see with their eyes of flesh), they DO see with the eyes of their SPIRIT (as I saw what I've shared with you here). That's what walking by FAITH... and not by SIGHT... is all about. Yet, they are not blind. They HAVE had reality "EVIDENT(LY) demonstrat(ed)" to them... IN SPIRIT. Which reality they their faith IN. Unlike those (e.g., Israel), who had things VISIBLY demonstrated to THEM. Over and over... and over... again... and yet, STILL lacked faith.



Some of us might think we do; however, given the condition of some "back then," and our technology, etc., today, some might say they needed it back then more that we do "nowadays." I'm sure "they" would - LOLOL! I mean, they didn't have antibiotics. Or xrays. Or aspirin. Or refrigeration. Or air conditioning. Or automobiles. Or airplanes. Or... pampers... tampax... Coca-Cola... ice...

Now, you might say, "Well, then, with all we have, why do we NEED (a) God?" Obviously, some folks don't. But if the comforts of life are all we need (a) God FOR, well, then, perhaps the MOST HOLY One of Israel, JAH of Armies, isn't the "right" God for such a person. I mean, His own Son didn't even have anywhere to lay HIS head. AND... he was lame, disease-ridden, and destined to be murdered and not unknowingly. And NOT because of what HE did... or because he himself was lame/sick... but because of what OTHERS did/had in THEIR flesh. Others, dear one... including us. We might not always (want to) understand or accept that, but it really is true.

Those who belong to the MOST HOLY One of Israel, JAH of Armies... and His Son, the HOLY One of Israel and Holy Spirit, JAHESHUA, the Chosen One of JAH (MischaJah), weren't promised rose gardens NOW, luv. They weren't promised blessings that most seek (wealth, prosperity, good health... long life... everlasting life)... NOW. For NOW, their promise is almost the exact opposite: a torture pole/stake. A life like Christ's... AS A MAN. It is LATER that such receive the life like him AS A SPIRIT.

But you don't have to take my word for it. You can always ask for yourself. Because he does speak to us ALL:

“To you, O people, I call out;
I raise my voice to all mankind.

I hope that helps.

As always, peace to both of you lovely ladies... and to your dear households!

Your servant, sister, and a slave of Christ,

Shel

Hello and peace to everyone.

Has anyone by chance seen this youtube series by Nathan Wheeler, a man who had a near death experience?

At five years old, he saw a brown cloud with "Jesus" in it. This is in the first few minutes of the video. His commentary on it follows.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGIfqj5YKx4




truthmefree 1 year ago (edited)
+s macaro It doesn't allow me to write you on your post you left asking about the brown cloud. Here is my response.

You are skipping a head to the end of the Testimonial but I'll give this piece.

I know exactly why it was a "Dark Brown Cloud" it was because God knew that I would later read the Bible and I needed it to be something that would speak to "me"... proof. As a child I was taught that God's Cloud was white as snow. If He had appeared to me in that way I may have thought it to be a child's imagination.

Knowing I would later read the Bible He knew I would read about God and a "Brown, or Dark, or Smokey" Cloud. When I came cross Joel 3:1-21 I literally jumped to my feet and got chills. Could you imagine carrying this confusion with you your whole life and then one day while you're reading the Bible, the Book you least desire to be the truth finally gives you the answer to WHY the could was a dark brown?! IT was a blessed moment to say the least and a game changer for me.

Psalms 97
1The Lord is king!
Let the earth rejoice!
Let the farthest coastlands be glad.
2 Dark clouds surround him.
Righteousness and justice are the foundation of his throne.

Joel 3:28-30
28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.
30 And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and PILLARS OF SMOKE. <--- Read the "Smoke" and the "Dark" of Psalms and when I put these all together I knew beyond the shadow of a doubt it was God's Cloud.

I Matched these with passages such a...
Exodus 13:21-22
21 And the Lord went before them by day in a pillar of a cloud, to lead them the way; and by night in a pillar of fire, to give them light; to go by day and night:
22 He took not away the pillar of the cloud by day, nor the pillar of fire by night, from before the people.
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I haven't watched the video yet, At, but thanks for posting it. The Spirit seems to lead you to "second witnesses" from others we do not (yet) know, at least not in person. Sometimes I am led to find a second witness to something shared in what is written, but I love it when someone who has no contact with us, so that none can accuse us of 'feeding' off one another, gives a second witness to something the Spirit has shared with us. It is to the glory of Jah and His Son.


A near death experience is like being asleep as we are unconscious. And we dream when we sleep... and sometimes:

Job 33:14, 15

For God does speak--now one way, now another-- though no one perceives it.
In a dream, in a vision of the night, when deep sleep falls on people as they slumber in their beds...



Peace to you,
your servant and sister, and a fellow slave of Christ,
tammy

THANK you for this "second" witness, dear, dear At (the greatest of love and peace to you... and to your household!). As dear Tams (peace to you and yours as well, luv!) said, sometimes that witness isn't from someone we know (i.e., walks with us, per se), but that should not be a problem - truth is truth! AND we have a second witness to THAT truth:

"John said to him: “Teacher, we saw someone expelling demons by using your name, and we tried to prevent him, because he was not following us.” But [Jesus] said: “Do not try to prevent him, for there is no one who will do a powerful work on the basis of my name who will quickly be able to say anything bad about me. For whoever is not against us is for us."

So, we shouldn't dismiss something that [we know] is TRUE, simply because it didn't come from one of us. Now, we might be compelled to TEST the "truth"/inspired expression... and that is fine - we should do that if we haven't received similar from Christ himself. But we shouldn't live in fear that something another shares is NOT true, simply because that one is not one of us.

PERFECT love (which encompasses the command, "You must love even your enemies") cast ALL fear... OUTSIDE (of the "beloved City" that is the NEW Jerusalem, the Body and Bride of Christ).

So, thank you, again, dear 'At... because what this man shared is EXACTLY what I was shown.

Peace to you, dear lady!

YSSFS of Christ,

Shel