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AGUEST SAID One thing pointed out by WTS and by various commentators is that the Lord's evening meal had not yet been instituted. Such a funny position, dear LQ (peace to you!). It suggests that he never said something BEFORE it was to occur. He also said to Nicodemus that one had to be born AGAIN to enter/see the kingdom. And that one had to go THROUGH him to come to the Father. Do we say, "Well, he didn't mean Nicodemus because no one had been born again, yet!"? Or that "He didn't mean his disciples because no one had gone through him, yet!"? Silliness... Quote: Quote:
In addition, going back to previous verses in the same chapter...
verse 35: "Jesus said to them: “I am the bread of life. He that comes to me will not get hungry at all, and he that exercises faith in me will never get thirsty at all."
verse 40: "For this is the will of my Father, that everyone that beholds the Son and exercises faith in him should have everlasting life, and I will resurrect him at the last day.”"
verse 47: "Most truly I say to YOU, He that believes has everlasting life."
So, does eating the flesh and drinking his blood mean literally partaking of the bread and the wine? Or does it mean coming to Christ and exercising faith in him?
Per my Lord, two things: 1. "Not everyone who says to me 'Lord, Lord' did we not do such and so in your name?" Surely, those who DID such and so ALSO exercised faith in him, yes? Because they DID such and so "on the basis of [his] name." And so, they had to have faith IN that name... AND the One who's name it was... yes? 2. My Lord is recorded to have said: “ If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him. He who does not love Me does not keep My words[/b]; and the word which you hear is not Mine but the Father’s who sent Me." John 14:23, 24 and... " KEEP doing this in remembrance of me..." and... " He that is faithful in what is LEAST is faithful in MUCH." Quote: Quote:
Asked otherwise, is the partaking of the bread and the wine at the Lord's evening meal a requirement?
A requirement... no, I wouldn't say a requirement, as in a law. It is a requirement IF one wishes to (1) be in union with Christ, (2) be resurrected if they die, and (3) live forever, yes. I mean, that is what Christ SAID, isn't it? But each one CAN choose, of course. Always. Unlike under the Law, there's no stoning involved if you don't. Indeed, it's the opposite - people were literally stoned... and are spiritually stoned for DOING so. Quote: Quote:
Interestingly, John did not write about the bread and the wine on the night of the Passover.
Not in the detail the others did, perhaps not, dear one, but he did allude to it when he addressed the morsel given to Judas. And it was Lazarus, aka Simon the Leper/Kanean (Zealot) and not any John, who wrote the account - John 21:20-24; 13:23; 11:3)). From Lazarus, who was there: " [b]And supper being ended, the devil having already put it into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon’s son, to betray Him, [Jesus], knowing that the Father had given all things into His hands, and that He had come from God and was going to God, rose from supper and laid aside His garments, took a towel and girded Himself. After that, He poured water into a basin and began to wash the disciples’ feet, and to wipe them with the towel with which He was girded."
"So when He had washed their feet, taken His garments, and sat down again, He said to them, “Do you know what I have done to you? You call Me Teacher and Lord, and you say well, for so I am. If I then, your Lord and Teacher, have washed your feet, you also ought to wash one another’s feet."
"When [Jesus] had said these things, He was troubled in spirit, and testified and said, “Most assuredly, I say to you, one of you will betray Me.” Then the disciples looked at one another, perplexed about whom He spoke. Now there was leaning on [Jesus’] bosom one of His disciples, whom [Jesus] loved. Simon Peter therefore motioned to him to ask who it was of whom He spoke.
"Leaning back on [Jesus’] breast, he said to Him, “Lord, who is it?”
[Jesus] answered, “It is he to whom I shall give a piece of bread when I have dipped it.” And having dipped the bread, He gave it to Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon. Now after the piece of bread, Satan entered him." John 13:2-5, 12-14, 21-27 From Matthew, who was also there: "... the disciples did as [Jesus] had directed them; and they prepared the Passover. When evening had come, He sat down with the twelve. Now as they were eating, He said, “Assuredly, I say to you, one of you will betray Me.” And they were exceedingly sorrowful, and each of them began to say to Him, “Lord, is it I?”
"He answered and said, “He who dipped his hand with Me in the dish will betray Me. The Son of Man indeed goes just as it is written of Him, but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been good for that man if he had not been born.”
"Then Judas, who was betraying Him, answered and said, “Rabbi, is it I?”
"He said to him, “You have said it.”
"And as they were eating, [Jesus] took bread, blessed and broke it, and gave it to the disciples and said, “Take, eat; this is My body.” Then He took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. For this is My blood of the new[c] covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. 29 But I say to you, I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in My Father’s kingdom.”
"And when they had sung a hymn, they went out to the Mount of Olives." Matthew 26:19-30 From Mark, who was not there: " He sent out two of His disciples and said to them, “Go into the city, and a man will meet you carrying a pitcher of water; follow him. Wherever he goes in, say to the master of the house, ‘The Teacher says, “Where is the guest room in which I may eat the Passover with My disciples?”’ Then he will show you a large upper room, furnished and prepared; there make ready for us.”
"So His disciples went out, and came into the city, and found it just as He had said to them; and they prepared the Passover. In the evening He came with the twelve. Now as they sat and ate, [Jesus] said, “Assuredly, I say to you, one of you who eats with Me will betray Me.” And they began to be sorrowful, and to say to Him one by one, “Is it I?” And another said, “Is it I?”
"He answered and said to them, “It is one of the twelve, who dips with Me in the dish. The Son of Man indeed goes just as it is written of Him, but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been good for that man if he had never been born.”
"And as they were eating, [Jesus] took bread, blessed and broke it, and gave it to them and said, “Take, eat; this is My body." Then He took the cup, and when He had given thanks He gave it to them, and they all drank from it. And He said to them, “This is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many. Assuredly, I say to you, I will no longer drink of the fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it new in the kingdom of God.”
"And when they had sung a hymn, they went out to the Mount of Olives." Mark 14:13-26 And finally, from Luke, who also was not there, but included the disclaimer that he (1) interviewed eyewitnesses and (2) wrote his account to Theophilus in order: " He said to them, “Behold, when you have entered the city, a man will meet you carrying a pitcher of water; follow him into the house which he enters. Then you shall say to the master of the house, ‘The Teacher says to you, “Where is the guest room where I may eat the Passover with My disciples?”’ Then he will show you a large, furnished upper room; there make ready.”
"So they went and found it just as He had said to them, and they prepared the Passover. When the hour had come, He sat down, and the twelve apostles with Him. Then He said to them, “With fervent desire I have desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer; for I say to you, I will no longer eat of it until it is fulfilled in the kingdom of God." Then He took the cup, and gave thanks, and said, “Take this and divide it among yourselves; for I say to you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God comes.”
And He took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is My body which is given for you; do this in remembrance of Me.” Likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you. But behold, the hand of My betrayer is with Me on the table. And truly the Son of Man goes as it has been determined, but woe to that man by whom He is betrayed!”
Then they began to question among themselves, which of them it was who would do this thing." Luke 22:10-23 Per Luke's account, there was much more discussion before they left the table and the room. But that should be expected, as neither Matthew, Mark, nor Lazarus were scribes/historians. Matthew was a tax collector; Mark, a fisherman like his father Peter; and Lazarus was a former Pharisee, now a zealot against the Romans, and frought with leprosy. Luke, however, was commissioned by a Greek or Roman ruler/nobleman, Theophilus to write out an account of what took place because there apparently were so MANY accounts that it was difficult to know which was true (and note, only one of those "many" accounts, Matthew's, is in the Bible canon). Along with accompanying Paul at times, therefore, he also interviewed many people, including those who were eyewitnesses to the events he reported on. Meaning... most if not all of the other 9 apostles present (meaning, not Matthew or Lazarus, who wrote their own accounts, and not Judas, who was no longer around), and/or the man in whose house the whole thing took place (and who wasn't one of the 12). There is a MUCH better way to find out what actually occurred, though, dear one, than trying to piece it together by reading four different accounts: ask the One who was not only there, but who hosted the event... and who, by means of holy spirit, can SHOW you what took place, why... and what he instructed his disciples to do... then and since. Oh, and that fact that the disciples were still doing it later... per Paul's accounts... should show that THE APOSTLES and THEY all thought it should be done. I mean, who else told them about it... and showed them how to do it, if not the Apostles? Paul said who told HIM: " For I received from the Lord that which I also delivered to you: that the Lord Jesus on the same night in which He was betrayed took bread; and when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, “Take, eat; this is My body which is broken[c] for you; do this in remembrance of Me.” In the same manner He also took the cup after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.”
For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death till He comes. 1 Corinthians 11:23-26 So, well, it SEEMS like they all knew... and partook... back THEN. Indeed, ALL christians did... until the WTBTS "shut UP the kingdom of the heavens before men"... when they started teaching their false "two hopes"... and thus, two covenants... and thus, two Lords... doctrine in 1935. I hope this helps, dear LQ, truly. But, as with everything I share, you don't have to take MY word for it. You, too, can do as Paul... and I... did... and get it straight from the horse's mouth. Because he speaks... to HIS sheep... and HIS sheep hear HIS voice. John 10:16, 27 Peace to you! YOUR servant and a slave of Christ, Shellama
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