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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2015 5:43 pm 
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YES! YES! WONDERFUL information, dear Armand and Finalcall (the greatest of love and peace to you, both!). I am SO glad it was given to YOU to share with us! It always makes MY heart rejoice when you dear ones share such wonderful truth! I'm always, like, "Okaayyy?? YES!" LOLOL!

Thank you, all, for starting/sharing in this topic. Please, do not stop here, if you have more - I am ALL "ears" - LOLOL!

Peace to you all!

YSSFS of Christ,

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2015 10:32 pm 
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More... and just as wonderful... in another thread (peace to you, all)!

I would post it here but I think it needs to stand on its own. But PLEASE, let's not necessarily stop HERE as I am not trying to turn attention away from THIS topic, not at all. But we may have visitors who can benefit from this additional information and I don't want it to get "lost". You'll understand why once I've posted it.

Peace to you all... and to your households!

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More is exciting. I am so loving all of this! I could move this thread to the open forum also if others would like that too.


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May you all have peace!

As a result of what was shared here, I have been given something more to share with you dear ones. In particular, in response to this:

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"A person with dominion can give some or all of it away. Adam sold all of it" -Armand


and this:

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“Cursed is the ground because of you;" - quoted by FinalCall



As a JW, one is taught that, when the Adversary offered "all the kingdoms of the world" to Christ, the fact that Christ did not argue or deny that statement was "proof" that the Adversary actually HAD the authority to GIVE it. And that such authority came from "Jehovah." And perhaps it did, but it did NOT come from the MOST Holy One of Israel, JAH of Armies. And the information above proves it. JAH is RIGHTEOUS, not unrighteous... and so to give ALL of mankind, all of CREATION, over to Death, as a recompense for the action of ONE man, would be unrighteous. However, if CHRIST wouldn't do that, then we can KNOW that JAH Himself would not.

So, from where did the Adversary get HIS "rulership"? As dear Armand and FinalCall (peace to you both!) have shown us, he received it... from Adham!

How so?

Adham, being the ONLY son of God having come into THIS world, would be the HEIR. At least, until "Shiloh" (his younger brother) came. As it was with Ishmael and Isaac. Ishmael, although the son of a slave woman, Hagar, was loved. However, the TRUE heir... would be the son of SARAH, the FREE wife. Adham... and Christ.

For a time, though, Adham... HAD DOMINION. Or "rulership." Over the earth and ALL that was in it. It was HIS... and so his... to sell/give away. And that's exactly what he did. He didn't just sell his progeny. As dear Armand shared, he sold EVERYTHING (in this world) to Death. Through DEATH'S son, the "son of DESTRUCTION."

The Adversary was a SERVANT, as angels ARE. He was NOT a son. But a son... a ruler with authority (over all of the EARTH)... gave that one HIS authority. In exchange for the promise of rulership... even over Death. Of course, THAT didn't happen.

Yet another LIE against the MOST Holy One of Israel debunked. Another blasphemy brought to ruin. JAH didn't put the Adversary in authority, didn't give that one authority. HE... sent His Son by His FREE wife... His TRUE heir... and gave THAT One... to buy BACK what Adham sold. To give LIFE to what Adham SOLD to Death:

ALL the kingdoms of the world.

Now, some will argue that Adham COULDN'T have given away all the kingdoms of the world... because such kingdoms didn't exist yet. Or... did they? Take a look at the following, and then YOU tell ME, when it says that the Adversary showed our dear Lord "ALL THE KINGDOMS" of the world, WHAT... EXACTLY... did he SHOW him?

http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/ac60 ... hycfpn.jpg



http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/ac60 ... rrepfu.png



http://i885.photobucket.com/albums/ac60 ... qlf9tx.jpg




What... EXACTLY... is MEANT... by "kingdom"??

For me, I always thought (because I was taught by the WTBTS, and I can understand how others would think this) that by "kingdoms," we think our dear Lord was shown GOVERNMENTS. "The Kingdom of" Egypt. The "Kingdom" of Ethiopia. Tyre. Sidon. Rome. Greece. Human political institutions, etc.

But due to the WONDERFUL truths are our dear, dear brothers shared above, I NOW understand... KNOW... that what our dear Lord was shown was much... MUCH... more!!

He was shown ALL physical life! Human, beast, flying creature, crawling/creeping thing, insect... PLANT...

On land, in the sea, in the air. ALL living... breathing...things in THIS world. From the various "kingdoms"... of LIFE... in THIS world. NOT political governments, but the LIFE that makes up THIS world.

We have been so misled. SO misled. SO... asleep. PRAISE JAH... that the Bridegroom is near at the door! How do we know? Surely, NO one HERE can say we are NOT being woken UP.

OUR path IS getting brighter... and brighter. Why? Because we are following the Light! TOWARD the light. And so, we are granted to SEE. And THIS, dear, dear ones, is yet another "beauty" we have been given the PRIVILEGE to "behold."

Now, may you also be given EARS... to HEAR... if you have not yet received such... when that Spirit and his Bride say to YOU:

"Come! COME!!! TAKE Life's (Christ's) "water"... the holy spirit... blood, breath, and seed... of the MOST HOLY One of Israel, JAH of Armies... which water is poured out ONLY from the innermost parts of His Son and Christ, my dear, dear... DEAR and beloved Lord, the HOLY One of Israel, JAHESHUA, the Chosen One of JAH (MischaJah)... FREE!"

Oh, my... sometimes it's all too wonderful! But please... do not stop, Lord - FEED us! We ARE wishing and thirsting! We ARE!

Peace to you ALL... and to your dear, dear households!

YSSFS,

Shel


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I think that's a marvelous idea, dear, dear Tec -

The greatest of love and peace to you, my dear sister!

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In biology, kingdom (latin: regnum, pl. regna) is the second highest taxonomic rank below domain. Kingdoms are divided into smaller groups called phyla. Traditionally, textbooks from the United States used a system of six kingdoms (Animalia, Plantae, Fungi, Protista, Archaea/Archaeabacteria, and Bacteria/Eubacteria ) while textbooks in Great Britain, India, Australia, Latin America and other countries used five kingdoms (Animalia, Plantae, Fungi, Protista and Monera)


https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_(biology)

Re "domain":

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Origin

late Middle English (denoting heritable or landed property): from French domaine, alteration (by association with Latin dominus ‘lord’) of Old French demeine ‘belonging to a lord’ (see demesne).


As dear Hubby just said:

"The first Adham... and the Last Adham... were BOTH lords!"

Indeed. We just need to decide, make a CHOICE... as to which one WE call "Lord."

Peace to you all!

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Shel


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Yes, yes, yes to all that!!!!!! Nothing to add except my amen, to all of this and all that everyone has shared as you have heard from the Spirit, who is our dear Lord Jaheshua.



We HEAR to be able to SEE. Not the other way around.

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We have been so misled. SO misled. SO... asleep. PRAISE JAH... that the Bridegroom is near at the door! How do we know? Surely, NO one HERE can say we are NOT being woken UP.



Yes! Praise Jah!


May all who wish them be given ears to hear so that you too can know, truly know, these things... and so that you can know, truly know, both Christ Jaheshua, and His Father, the Most Holy One of Israel. May you also be given ears if you wish them so you may hear the Spirit and the Bride say to YOU, "Come! Take the free gift of the water of Life!"

Peace and love to you my dear sister and my dear brothers,
your servant and sister, and fellow slave of Christ,
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To give LIFE to what Adham SOLD to Death:

ALL the kingdoms of the world.


OMG as soon as I read this, I was shown that it was the animal kingdoms, the ones we learned in school, before I got to that part in the post. I LOVE when that happens! The Lord Jaheshua let me see it. This is TOO good. See what happens when y'all don't hold back from posting? What a privilege it is that He shares this with us and ANYONE who comes to take Life's water free. To anyone thirsting, please do not give up seeking first the kingdom and His righteousness.

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JAH is RIGHTEOUS, not unrighteous... and so to give ALL of mankind, all of CREATION, over to Death, as a recompense for the action of ONE man, would be unrighteous. However, if CHRIST wouldn't do that, then we can KNOW that JAH Himself would not.

So, from where did the Adversary get HIS "rulership"? As dear Armand and FinalCall (peace to you both!) have shown us, he received it... from Adham!


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Overwhelmed with this truth, dear ones (peace to you, all!). And REJOICING!!

We are TRULY PRIVILEGED to be able to see what even the angels cannot. That is because WE have been given EARS... to HEAR... as dear Tams (peace, luv!) shared. We are being LED... into ALL truth... NOT by SIGHT... but by FAITH. We are as blind as everyone else, technically speaking. But our Leader... the LIGHT... guides us. So, we don't have to literally see the rock in the road before us - he simply says, "Step HERE, child..." and we are GUIDED around it! But we can "SEE" it, because he TOLD us it was THERE ("Step HERE... BECAUSE there is a rock THERE!").

It works the other way, as well. We are not just guided around obstacles but guided TO... "FOUNTAINS of WATERS... of LIFE."

WHOO-HOOOOO!!

I LOVE this stuff... and I love HIM... and I love all of YOU!

Peace to ALL of you and to your dear, dear households!

YSSFS of Christ,

Shel


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Peace, to you all:

In addition to what has been stated above regarding what the "kingdoms" are that were shown and offered to Christ, is there another way to "know" that those kingdoms showed to Christ were NOT governments? Yes, there is. Since the first government (I think it was Nimrod who had the Tower of Babel built) up to the relatively present time, how many of those governments still exist today? None! Are they going to be brought back into existence so that Christ would/could rule over them? I think not. How many governments just in the last 20th Century still exist? Few. Is the Adversary going to bring them back into existence in order to give them to Christ? I think not.

So, my dear brothers and sisters, the "kingdoms" the Adversary offered to Christ could not have been governments--logic so dictates.

Praise Jah indeed. Let every breathing thing praise Jah.

Come! Take Life's Water Free.

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OMG as soon as I read this, I was shown that it was the animal kingdoms, the ones we learned in school, before I got to that part in the post. I LOVE when that happens! The Lord Jaheshua let me see it. This is TOO good. See what happens when y'all don't hold back from posting? What a privilege it is that He shares this with us and ANYONE who comes to take Life's water free. To anyone thirsting, please do not give up seeking first the kingdom and His righteousness.



YES Dear Ataloa, I too saw and heard the same thing. I was shown a favorite family show I watched as a child every week, " Mutual of Omahas wild animal kingdom!"


Thank you everyone for sharing all these pieces to the puzzle, it truly helps.

And I would like to add my YES to what dear Ataloa says,

" What a privilege it is that He shares this with us and ANYONE who comes to take Life's water free. To anyone thirsting, please do not give up seeking first the kingdom and His righteousness."

Love and peace to you all, your sister and fellow slave of OUR Lord, Jaheshua Mischajah, Kim


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YES Dear Ataloa, I too saw and heard the same thing. I was shown a favorite family show I watched as a child every week, " Mutual of Omahas wild animal kingdom!"


Yay, Justmom! I forgot about that show. Oh, I just want to do a happy dance with all of you right now.
: )

uh, oh, wait, I think I'm getting something. I think I hear it off in the distance.
Could it be.....
......are you hearing it too?







.....that's right - Boogie Fever, boogie fever, baby...boogie down.........


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AGuest wrote:
May you all have peace!



As a JW, one is taught that, when the Adversary offered "all the kingdoms of the world" to Christ, the fact that Christ did not argue or deny that statement was "proof" that the Adversary actually HAD the authority to GIVE it. And that such authority came from "Jehovah." And perhaps it did, but it did NOT come from the MOST Holy One of Israel, JAH of Armies. And the information above proves it. JAH is RIGHTEOUS, not unrighteous... and so to give ALL of mankind, all of CREATION, over to Death, as a recompense for the action of ONE man, would be unrighteous. However, if CHRIST wouldn't do that, then we can KNOW that JAH Himself would not.

So, from where did the Adversary get HIS "rulership"? As dear Armand and FinalCall (peace to you both!) have shown us, he received it... from Adham!

How so?

Adham, being the ONLY son of God having come into THIS world, would be the HEIR. At least, until "Shiloh" (his younger brother) came. As it was with Ishmael and Isaac. Ishmael, although the son of a slave woman, Hagar, was loved. However, the TRUE heir... would be the son of SARAH, the FREE wife. Adham... and Christ.

For a time, though, Adham... HAD DOMINION. Or "rulership." Over the earth and ALL that was in it. It was HIS... and so his... to sell/give away. And that's exactly what he did. He didn't just sell his progeny.




What... EXACTLY... is MEANT... by "kingdom"??

For me, I always thought (because I was taught by the WTBTS, and I can understand how others would think this) that by "kingdoms," we think our dear Lord was shown GOVERNMENTS. "The Kingdom of" Egypt. The "Kingdom" of Ethiopia. Tyre. Sidon. Rome. Greece. Human political institutions, etc.

But due to the WONDERFUL truths are our dear, dear brothers shared above, I NOW understand... KNOW... that what our dear Lord was shown was much... MUCH... more!!

He was shown ALL physical life! Human, beast, flying creature, crawling/creeping thing, insect... PLANT...

On land, in the sea, in the air. ALL living... breathing...things in THIS world. From the various "kingdoms"... of LIFE... in THIS world. NOT political governments, but the LIFE that makes up THIS world.

We have been so misled. SO misled. SO... asleep. PRAISE JAH... that the Bridegroom is near at the door! How do we know? Surely, NO one HERE can say we are NOT being woken UP.





Shel



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Check THIS out:

First...

"Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”

“I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the groundeverything that has the breath of life in it..."
Genesis 1:28-30

Then...

"The Devil led him up to a high place and showed him in an instant all the kingdoms of the world."


And now, for the pièce de résistance... well, at least for THIS matter:

http://www.ric.edu/faculty/ptiskus/six_kingdoms/

Talk about doin' a happy dance...

PEACE... and LOVE (okay, and SOUUULLLL!)... chikkens!

YSSFS of Christ,

Shel, grabbing dear At (peace, luv!) by the hand and swingin' her 'round... then doin' a do-see-do wit 'er!!


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Wow. Just... wow. Peace to you all!

I keep thinking, "What more IS there, Lord? What more can there BE? Surely that [last truth] you shared with us can't be topped! That was FANTABULOUS and so that MUST be the end of these wonders! There surely can't be anything as fantastic as what you JUST shared with us. That last bit of manna HAS to be the icing on the cake!"

And then... we get more. Each time. This time... this.

My oh my oh my. And guess what? We're not even CLOSE to the end!

Spirit is all abuzz in ME today. I am sure it is in your dear ones, as well.

Peace... and ears to hear/eyes to see... to you ALL!

YSSFS of Christ,

Shel


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