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PostPosted: Sun Aug 10, 2014 11:42 pm 
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Jewish survivors and descendents of survivors of Nazi genocide unequivocally condemn the massacre of Palestinians in Gaza
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As Jewish survivors and descendents of survivors of the Nazi genocide we unequivocally condemn the massacre of Palestinians in Gaza and the ongoing occupation and colonization of historic Palestine. We further condemn the United States for providing Israel with the funding to carry out the attack, and Western states more generally for using their diplomatic muscle to protect Israel from condemnation. Genocide begins with the silence of the world.

We are alarmed by the extreme, racist dehumanization of Palestinians in Israeli society, which has reached a fever-pitch. In Israel, politicians and pundits in The Times of Israel and The Jerusalem Post have called openly for genocide of Palestinians and right-wing Israelis are adopting Neo-Nazi insignia.

Furthermore, we are disgusted and outraged by Elie Wiesel’s abuse of our history in these pages to promote blatant falsehoods used to justify the unjustifiable: Israel’s wholesale effort to destroy Gaza and the murder of nearly 2,000 Palestinians, including many hundreds of children. Nothing can justify bombing UN shelters, homes, hospitals and universities. Nothing can justify depriving people of electricity and water.

We must raise our collective voices and use our collective power to bring about an end to all forms of racism, including the ongoing genocide of Palestinian people. We call for an immediate end to the siege against and blockade of Gaza. We call for the full economic, cultural and academic boycott of Israel. "Never again" must mean NEVER AGAIN FOR ANYONE!

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Hajo Meyer, survivor of Auschwitz, The Netherlands.

Henri Wajnblum, survivor and son of victim of Nazi genocide, France.

Renate Bridenthal, child refugee from Hitler, granddaughter of Auschwitz victim, United States.

Marianka Ehrlich Ross, survivor of Nazi ethnic cleansing in Vienna, Austria. Now lives in United States.

Annette Herskovits, survived in hiding in France and daughter of parents who were murdered in Auschwitz, United States.

Irena Klepfisz, child survivor of the Warsaw Ghetto. Now lives in United States.

Karen Pomer, granddaughter of member of Dutch resistance and survivor of Bergen Belsen. Now lives in the United States.

Hedy Epstein, survivor sent to England on kindertransport, both parents and family members died in Auschwitz, only her grandfather survived. Now lives in United States.

Lillian Rosengarten, survivor of the Nazi Holocaust, United States.

Suzanne Weiss, child survivor on Kindertransport, France. Now lives in Canada.

H. Richard Leuchtag, survivor, United States.

Ervin Somogyi, survivor and daughter of survivors, United States.

Liliana Kaczerginski, daughter of Vilna ghetto resistance fighter, France.

Jean-Claude Meyer, son of Marcel, shot as a hostage by the Nazis, whose sister and parents died in Auschwitz. Now lives in France.

Chava Finkler, daughter of survivor of Starachovice labour camp, Poland. Now lives in Canada.

Micah Bazant, child of a survivor of the Nazi genocide, United States.

Sylvia Schwartz, daughter and granddaughter of survivors of the Nazi genocide, United States.

Margot Goldstein, daughter and granddaughter of survivors of the Nazi genocide, United States.

Ellen Schwarz Wasfi, daughter of survivors from Vienna, Austria. Now lives in United States.

Lisa Kosowski, daughter of survivor and granddaughter of Auschwitz victims, United States.

Daniel Strum, son of a refugee from Vienna, who, with his parents were forced to flee in 1939, his maternal grand-parents were lost, United States.

Bruce Ballin, son of survivors, some relatives of parents died in camps, one relative beheaded for being in the Baum Resistance Group, United States.

Rachel Duell, daughter of survivors from Germany and Poland, United States.

Raphael Cohen, grandson of Jewish survivors of the Nazi genocide, United States.

Emma Rubin, granddaughter of a survivor of the Nazi genocide, United States.

Alex Safron, grandson of a survivor of the Nazi genocide, United States.

Danielle Feris, grandchild of a Polish grandmother whose whole family died in the Nazi Holocaust, United States.

Jesse Strauss, grandson of Polish survivors of the Nazi genocide, United States.

Anna Baltzer, granddaughter of survivors of Nazi genocide, family members perished in Auschwitz (grand-niece of members of Belgian Resistance), United States.

Abigail Harms, granddaughter of Holocaust survivor, Austria. Lives in United States.

Tessa Strauss, granddaughter of Jewish survivors of the Nazi genocide, United States.

Caroline Picker, granddaughter of survivors of the Nazi genocide, United States.

Amalle Dublon, grandchild and great-grandchild of survivors of the Nazi holocaust, United States.

Antonie Kaufmann Churg, 3rd cousin of Ann Frank and grand-daughter of survivors, United States.

Aliza Shvarts, granddaughter of survivors, United States.

Linda Mamoun, granddaughter of survivors, United States.

Ted Auerbach, grandson of survivor whose whole family died in the Holocaust, United States.

Bob Wilson, grandson of a survivor, United States.

Abby Okrent, granddaughter of survivors of Aushwitz, Dachau, Stuttgart and the Lodz Ghetto

Natalie Rothman, great granddaughter of Holocaust victims in Warsaw. Now lives in Canada.

Yotam Amit, great-grandson of Polish Jew who fled Poland, United States.

Daniel Boyarin, great grandson of victims of the Nazi genocide, United States.

Terri Ginsberg, niece of a survivor of the Nazi genocide, United States.

Nathan Pollack, relative of Holocaust survivors and victims, United States.

Marcy Winograd and Jackie Hirtz, relatives of Holocaust victims, United States.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 8:03 am 
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Well, if anyone has a right to speak out... and grounds to condemn what's going on in Israel/Palestine, I would think these do, dear ANOMOS ( peace to you! ). Sadly, even though these suffered, some firsthand, AS JEWS, the atrocities on which much of today's conflict and further atrocities claim to be based (i.e., persecution of JEWS), they are considered "self-hating" Jews by their fellow tribesmen... and perhaps even some of our dear members. Most of whom have never experienced anything close to what these did.

Not sure how those who feel that way can sleep nights doing so, though. Then, again, there has ALWAYS been that hard-headed, hard-HEARTED, STIFF-necked tendency on the part of Israel... and particularly my brothers... the Jews...

I fear for them that the "cry of 'peace and security'" is imminent. I fear for ALL of mankind that it is. But it will come... followed by a GREAT tribulation. One mankind has NEVER seen before nor will see again. Sadly, she is leading her enemies to commence it. And make NO mistake: they will commence it.

Earthling man. Israel. Will they EVER listen???

Of course they will... but not before the cry of the children of Ra'cha'El are heard in the streets...

Peace... the way Christ gives it. 'Cause Lord knows it is lacking whenever man claims to be pursuing it.

A slave of Christ,

Shellamar


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 9:32 pm 
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Peace and security will come only from the revolution of the masses against capitalism.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 9:47 pm 
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However it comes, luv, however it comes.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2014 11:02 pm 
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2014 12:18 pm 
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ANOMOS wrote:
Peace and security will come only from the revolution of the masses against capitalism.


Anomos, this assumes that capitalism is responsible for the lack of 'peace and security', but then what is responsible for all the wars, suffering, poor, etc... in places and throughout time/history... where capitalism was not a factor?

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2014 11:53 pm 
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Capitalism! LOL!
Capitalism can come in different flavors. Today we are facing its most aggressive form.


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I think you did not answer the question Anomos, and if you did, well, that might help shed some clarity on what truly keeps people from 'peace and security'. (TRUE peace and security... not peace as man gives it, but peace as Christ gives it).

As well, could you explain to me what you mean by the different flavors of capitalism... and what form it is that we are facing today.


Because I truly don't know why you think Capitalism is the 'enemy' that man ought to be fighting; and that with capitalism gone... there would be peace and security. Could you explain?


Peace to you, as CHRIST gives peace, TRUE peace,
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2014 7:09 pm 
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I get the impression that, rather than the dictionary definition (see below), some folks think "capitalism" is just another word for "greed," dear tec (peace to you, luv!). Perhaps that's what dear ANOMOS (peace to you, as well!) means? If so, then I have to say... the "war" against it (capitalism) is futile. As futile against the war on drugs. Because you have supply and demand. No supply NEEDED, if no DEMAND. No drugs... if no drug USERS/ADDICTS. And just like there are those who are willing to SUPPLY drugs... BECAUSE of their greed (for money, yes, and the POWER that comes with it), so too capitalism. So long as there are people who want wealth (money) and power... there will be greed... and "capitalism."

Since you can't beat 'em... you have to join 'em. OR... not let "them" get to you or rue that they HAVE, while you have NOT. You also have to recognize (not accept; recognize) that those who ARE greedy... which usually means (most) capitalists... that they will do pretty much anything to GAIN wealth. Sell arms/weapons, drugs (illegal AND legal), wipe out villages (for oil, minerals, gems, or whatever else the villagers' land offers), kill... maim... commit genocide...

Product of HUMAN nature, part of THIS world, and so to be expected. Is what it is.

If, by capitalism, you DO mean, pretty much, greed. If not, even so... as they're really not too different.

Peace to you, both!

A slave of Christ,

Shellamar


Capitalism -

1. "An economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state." https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=c ... definition

2. "A way of organizing an economy so that the things that are used to make and transport products (such as land, oil, factories, ships, etc.) are owned by individual people and companies rather than by the government." http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/capitalism


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2014 7:45 pm 
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And who is 'moving the threads' behind a state controlled economy? Isn't it the ruling class, a few elite, aka a few greedy individuals again? Whatever they may call it (democracy, communism) a few exploit the many.


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