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Hello...


So many of us that were born and raised inside the WTBS remember either reading or studying about the history of the organization in the Proclaimers book.

And how in 1935 this so- called new light they announced when they taught about a " a great multitude" coming in, it was then they separated the two classes of sheep that prior to this were ONE.

Because many were coming in and partaking and the number was growing beyond what they had tried to teach as to the remnant and the number decreasing....

They did not know what to do with the INCREASE!

So, instead of following CHRISTs command that " Anyone can eat of his body, the true manna and bread from heaven and drink his blood, the true drink and have life within themselves ( Holy Spirit to ANYONE not just 144,000) John 6: 48-59...

and that this great crowd can also be in this covenant and benefit from it all... Ephesians 2:11-22 1 Corinthians 10:1-4 Revelation 7:9 &19:1, including YES...the PRIESTHOOD Revelation 5:9&10...

INSTEAD....

" They shut up the kingdom of the heavens before men, they themselves do not go in ( or even want to) and do not permit those on their way in to go either." Matthew 23:13



These are the ones that our Lord was referring to. As well as anyone else who does the same.

It is an open invitation. And Holy Spirit, It's called the " free gift" for a reason. It truly is FREE! To anyone who is hungering and thirsting. The invitation to "COME! Take life's water free!!!!" Revelation 22:17

Just wanted to share with anyone that has left or is leaving the organization and does not understand where or to whom to turn.

it is to CHRIST, our lord, our savior, our redeemer, the one that gave his body and blood on all of our behalf .

Remember HIS sheep know his voice John 10 and they hear him and will come out. They will come to him and him only. Never needing men to teach and mislead us again.



just a wanted to share

Enjoy your day love Justmom

I was urged to read the Proclaimers book as soon as I had failed to argue effectively against some of the major doctrinal beliefs of the Jehovah's Witnesses.

It was held up to me as something wonderful, and as my brainwashing was by that time well under way, I swallowed it all, hook, line and sinker for many long months. To my great shame. I am still very ashamed of that period of my life.

The Proclaimers book presents individual after individual as ideal examples of courage, endurance and dedication to Jehovah, and the false prophecies are intended to be eagerly absorbed by the already-brainwashed.

I am fortunate in that my brainwashing was not complete, and eventually the strong knowledge of God, of Christ,which had been with me all my life, prevailed and showed me how very false was the sham within the Watchtower.

In another thread, a poster asserted that I had said several months ago that the behaviour of some elders had revealed the sham to me. In fact that was a misunderstanding of what I originally said, but it is very likely that I did not express myself sufficiently clearly. I remember the incident very well indeed. It's etched on my memory. It was not their behaviour that enabled the light of truth to break through the murk of deception, (though maybe the arrogance and ignorance they displayed did help,) but the falseness of the Watchtower picture of God. They believe in a Jehovah who judges and discriminates based on what are essential peripherals, as if God judges a person's worth by outward appearances. Their book "Keep yourselves in God's love" contains within it's title a very great blasphemy and misrepresentation og God's love for us, so great that He sent His Son to show us the very Way, Truth and Life that he is. The words of those elders suddenly in a flash enabled the light of my lifelong knowledge of Christ, and thus God whom he shows us, to break through.

So, the behaviour of those elders, while telling in itself, did not show me their falseness. Their words, their attempts to define and restrict the very God they professed to proclaim, showed me what I was doing by going along their path all that time. I remember very clearly. I said, almost to myself, but out loud, "I've just realised I've made a terrible mistake." They thought I was confessing to an error in my own reasoning...for they base their beliefs on reasoning. They have no concept of Christ's love, and reveal no knowledge of him.

This judging by outward appearance runs through all they do, all their rules about skirts over trousers, head coverings, who may pray! For goodness sake!! They are the cups clean on the outside but filthy within. They are the whited sepulchres Christ spoke of.

Sorry, Justmom, I do apologise for digressing so much into my personal experience. Your mention of the Proclaimers book awakened a very strong train of thought within me. I'm sorry if I've derailed your thread.

I have no further light to throw on what happened in 1935. Perhaps coincidentally, earlier this evening I was watching a programme where a woman was researching her ancestry and especially her mother's partly Jewish Austrian history. You can imagine what was happening at that time in that country. When I saw Justmom's mention of 1935, that was what came into my mind.

Perhaps much evil was abroad in the world then?

God's people are not perfect so inevitably they will make mistakes. But God's people will humbly recognize their error, repent, and adjust their course.
Satan's people, the hypocrites of the GB, never recognize their error, never repent, but they 'adjust' their error calling it 'new light'.

Yes dear Anomos you are right!

And it is that they truly do not care about the sheep as John 10 points out. They are just " the hired man" who lords it over them, abuses them and abandons them to the wolves.
And so it is no wonder they scatter.
But those sheep who truly belong to our lord and master WILL HEAR his voice when he calls out to them.

It is truly amazing how much darkness exists inside for how much so- called " light" they always come up with.

Love Justmom

To call even "the hypocrites of the GB" Satan's people sounds very absolute. Does God not allow each individual to repent? Surely, he does. That some will never repent may well be true, but God's love is infinite.

Not one of us can judge another, whoever that other might be. I abhor and reject all that the Watchtower stands for, and I firmly believe that this has become a belief system that gives every sign of coming from Satan, but each individual caught up in it, no matter who he or she may be, remains an individual, and no-one except God knows what goes on in each inner heart.

Each individual has become as they are because they have become totally brainwashed by a system that teaches them a false picture of God, instead of that shown by Christ, a system that sets mere organisation upon a pedestal, whereas Christ always focused on the individual, and a system that pretends to measure a person's faith by their door-knocking prowess and their ability to quote individual verse after individual Biblical verse, so often twisting the meanings to prove false teachings that are not the meanings that, in the context of the whole, they really have.

Such individuals , perhaps brought up all their life within that system, have so much going against them. Some do hear the words of Christ even through the fog of deception surrounding them, just as you did, Justmom! . But some may not hear them finally until their death bed, and I do not mean with literal physical ears, though it is not my place to exclude all possibilities. god moves in mysterious ways. We cannot judge to whom or to what is a person's allegiance.

Anomos, I just wanted to make it clear that there is always scope for repentance for an individual, even a member of the GB. Wasn't that so of Ray Franz? In principle, yes, I agree, they were doing the work of the Adversary, but only God knows what brought them to that point. Even those who came into the system later, who became beaten down by all the false reasoning and overcome by the brainwashing and then zealously adopted that whole philosophy, even they may yet discover their error and turn back. We are each on a journey to God. Only He knows the true path we Have before us. Who knows but that He may actually set us in a particular situation for His purposes?

We can't judge. My family tell me that while I was taken over by those shepherding me towards their false baptism, I was unreachable. Classic for anyone immersed within a cult! I would never have believed I could be so deceived. I prided myself on my intelligence. A very, very humbling lesson was learned. Everyone, each person can be pressured or misled, given the right individual trigger, and that's true even of the members of the GB.

Fortunately, God is always going to prevail. His will will surely prevail. From our perspective, we just may not realise it.

Yes Char,

It is NOT the individuals that we are judging as it is not our call and we do know that a persons heart may change. I hope this is not what you thought I was meaning. I apologize if I was not clear.

My comment personally was towards the system, organization, structure of worship that they belong to, giving their allegiance to instead of CHRIST.

The same kind of judgement call that was given to the " Jewish system of things and their form of worship."

They were denying the one Jah had sent! Their fruitages were of mans doctrines, hypocritical and not of Jah therefore our Lord pronouncing that their house had been ABANDONED to them.
And shortly after were told to FLEE from it (get out of her) so as not to go down with it.

This warning remains true today as it is still uttered in Revelation 18:4 written shortly after the destruction of the Jewish system in 70c.e.

Our Lord knew that man would do the same thing again and again. Develop a system or organization of worship, teach their own doctrine, and teach people/sheep to come through them as their mediator and the one who will forgive sins and give them life.

Even calling themselves " The TRUTH or true Church"... The way to CHRIST.
Since Jah does not dwell in hand made temples or buildings, but in people, ANY structure, organization, building that says it is The Truth is actually calling themselves " The CHRIST"( because he is the truth )
therefore is a clear indication to sheep that belong to CHRIST that that would not be a place they would flock to.
Sheep maybe...but NOT Christs sheep! John 10.

Hope this helps,
Love Justmom

Justmom, it's OK, I was really responding to Anomos's comment about Satan's people, because it's very important to differentiate between individuals and the belief system. But you've made it clear that in actual fact you pretty well see this matter as I do, and there is anyway absolutely no need whatsoever for you to apologise.



The only thing is, there wasn't actually a judgement call given to the Jewish system of things, was there? Christ made very sure that he not only observed and fulfilled the prophecies relating to him. Christ condemned the presumption and lack of reverence shown God in the temple, for instance, and he condemned the hypocrisy of the Pharisees who were hypocrites...whited sepulchres, as I mentioned above...and their insistence on observing the word of the law rather than the spirit that upheld it, as in their refusal to allow him to heal on the Sabbath, for instance. All part of the same kind of concern for outward appearance that the Watchtower shows at all times. Christ, showing us what God values, looked at the heart, for instance of the widow offering a mere mite but all she had.

Perhaps you would also agree with me there too, Justmom?

You (and others) and I often use different words, almost a different "lingo", but it springs from our different backgrounds. That's all.

The only thing is, there wasn't actually a judgement call given to the Jewish system of things, was there?




Matthew 23: 37-39
Lament over Jerusalem
37"Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling.38"Behold, your house is being left to you desolate!39"For I say to you, from now on you will not see Me until you say, 'BLESSED IS HE WHO COMES IN THE NAME OF THE LORD!'"



Hope this helps Char,

Love Justmom

Well, I wasn't exactly seeking help, Justmom, but thank you for the thought!

However, with great respect, I just don't think those purple words have the meaning you give them. Picking out individual phrases and sentences and interpreting them other than in context is fraught with possible hazard.

Yes, and thank you for showing the reason for the doctrine NOT to partake of our Lord: to protect their own original mistake. Which, instead of repenting and stating, 'we were mistaken'... they went even farther in their error and taught those seeking Christ and His Kingdom NOT to partake at all. (other than perhaps a very chosen few, and even those are frowned upon... other than the GB themselves now) Thereby, as you said, shutting up the Kingdom.



Peace to you!

tammy

Yes Char, I do understand the danger of taking a couple words and phrases out of context. But even if I undid the purple highlight, the verses still refer to Jeruselum and the judgement call against her and why.
As well as the warning given to his disciples that not only was the system of worship abandoned, they were forewarned also that when they " caught sight of the disgusting thing that was causing desolation ( or abomination) standing in the holy place....they were told to even FLEE the entire city as well!
That was the warning given starting around the early 60 c.e.mark I believe. Plenty of time before its actual destruction in 70c.e.

So I do see what you mean, but I see the understanding of it is the same.

Love to you
Justmom

May you all have peace! I only have a few minutes but was directed to share, as to the matter of judging, raised here, that while we are NOT to JUDGE, we have the exhortations from Christ himself... stated to the SPIRITS of his Body in various "congregations":

“To the angel[a] of the church in Ephesus write:

"These are the words of him who holds the seven stars in his right hand and walks among the seven golden lampstands. I know your deeds, your hard work and your perseverance. I know that you cannot tolerate wicked people, that you have tested those who claim to be apostles but are not, and have found them false. You have persevered and have endured hardships for my name, and have not grown weary."

“To the angel of the church in Smyrna write:

These are the words of him who is the First and the Last, who died and came to life again. I know your afflictions and your poverty—yet you are rich! I know about the slander of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan."

“To the angel of the church in Philadelphia write:

These are the words of him who is holy and true, who holds the key of David. What he opens no one can shut, and what he shuts no one can open. I know your deeds. See, I have placed before you an open door that no one can shut. I know that you have little strength, yet you have kept my word and have not denied my name. I will make [b]those who are of the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be Jews though they are not, but are liars—I will make them come and fall down at your feet and acknowledge that I have loved you[/b].

It isn't judging to DISCERN when one CLAIMS to be a "Jew"... but is NOT, dear ones. Or to DISCERN when a synagogue (public meeting place where God/scripture/Moses/Christ is discussed) belongs to Satan. It is DISCERNMENT. Which the Body of Christ is exhorted BY Christ to have.

It is our FAILURE to use discernment.... to grasp... and to listen when HE tells us who to flee FROM... that the "false christs" and "false prophets" are ABLE to mislead us. Matthew 24:24

I, SA, have shared this with you just as I received it from our dear Lord, the HOLY One of Israel, JAHESHUA, the Chosen One of JAH (MIschaJah), who is the Son and Christ of the MOST HOLY One of Israel, JAH of Armies.

I hope it helps.

Again, peace to you!

Your servant, as I am servant to ALL those of the Household of God, Israel, and those who go with, and a slave of Christ,

SA

Even Jesus called Peter Satan. So nothing wrong with my wording.

Of course we hope individuals will repent and change their ways. But 'judging' from their history it looks quite unlikely. I used the word 'looks' because we are neither perfect nor the Final Judges.

Μηδενί συμφοράν ονειδίσης. Κοινή γαρ η τύχη και το μέλλον αόρατον.
- Isocrates

Well, you interpret that passage as a judgement call. Fair enough. That's how you see it. It can also be seen as a prophecy of the destruction of Jerusalem that came about, as you rightly point out, so very soon afterwards.

Thank you for passing those words on, Shelby. Yes, discernment is vital.

Thank you.