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Is that all thats left in this corrupt company.Most of my relatives are jws and are practicing alcoholics,drug abusers,liars,thieves,hypocrites,practice incest,get new tattoos and piercings to the point they look like a freak show yet Im the bad guy for exposing a few child molestors and hypocrites!Ellijay Georgia,Blairsville Georgia,Franklin NC (spanish) and Davie Florida are their congregations.I thought it was against state law and Gods law for an aunt to marry her sisters son(nephew)?I guess if your an elders daughter or wife you can get tattoos and piercings or stay out all night with your lover even though you are married?I guess if you sell enough magazines you can force oral sex on a 5 year old boy and still remain in the fold!Filthy scum!Im so glad you scumbags showed your true colors so my kids and grandkids wont suffer under your cult!

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Nah.

You sound like you've got some pretty bad experiences, but no. There are people who are blind, misled, afraid, inside for family, etc. Loving people, despite the organization; as well as not so loving. As well as people and family members who ARE loved. All sorts. Same with any other religious organization.

Now, if you want to describe the organization itself... well, then she is part of Babylon the Great.



I wouldn't care so much about tattoos or piercings... it is what is on the inside that counts... but I understand your frustration with the rest of it. The injustice of it. I am sorry for it, and the pain that it has caused you, and others, including children. As well as your family. This religion and the fear it causes, or the lie that it forces people to live, does help people along into the alcohol, drugs, depression, etc.

Unhappy and miserable people CAUSE unhappiness and misery. Because that is what is in them.

But it doesn't have to be what is in YOU, or YOUR loved ones... because YOU are out, and so are your children.



It might be... I'm not American.

In either case, no need to let what they are doing other you or take your peace. As long as it is consensual, then it is between them and God.



Yes, I've heard lots of accounts about favoritism and such. More injustice.



Thank God people have come forward, so that other parents and householders can be more aware, and better able to protect their children. I know that when I studied with them, I would have felt safe leaving my kids with anyone in the organization (in theory; in reality, confronted with it, I might not have), because who among them would ever do such a thing, right?

So if I could think that, just being a bible study... imagine the blinders that some/many witnesses are wearing. So thank God people are brave enough to come forward, and that this is now being taken seriously. I believe it started out the same with the Catholic church, until such a time as they were forced to admit that there was a problem, in the church and with their policies. It is happening with the wts also.


And there are people aware now, who weren't aware before, whose children are safer because of it.


Peace to you!

tammy

I would second all that dear tec shared with you, dear Taze (mornin' and peace to you, both!). I would add, however, that given that you now know what this organization is, who it's true "leader" is, and so what it foments... moving past your surprise (if not your anger) and toward love, such as necessary to perhaps help those still IN "her" WAKE UP... and do, as we have been warned and GET OUT OF HER... might be something to consider. Your anger and disgust, while rightly placed and righteous... isn't going to help anyone see the "filth." We both know that those poor people are CONDITIONED and trained to ignore what's right in front of their own noses... so as to be able to point the finger at others (who may also be filthy but perhaps not quite as much).

I'm not necessarily saying one draws more flies with honey (although that may be true) but more than when one better controls one's... emotions... including anger... one usually finds that there are better ways to reason with others. For those in the WTBTS, showing them where the DOCTRINES are completely wrong... particularly as those related to God and Christ... seem to carry more weight than pointing fingers are their dirt. Because they have that "the organization is PERFECT; the people in it are imperfect" retort, yes? Which is subjective.

When you show them OBJECTIVELY, however, where the very teachings they base their faith on is not only WRONG, but not even in the BIBLE... well, THEN, you have a better chance of making a difference. Not for all, of course. Not even for many, perhaps. But for some. A few. And some/a few is better than none, yes?

So, g'head... get it out. Scream from the mountain tops (but keep it decent if you do so here)... and then move on toward Christ. For YOUR sake... and peace of mind/heart.

Again, peace to you!

Your servant and a slave of Christ,

Shellamar

So, g'head... get it out. Scream from the mountain tops (but keep it decent if you do so here)... and then move on toward Christ. For YOUR sake... and peace of mind/heart.



Yes to this Dear Taze...

We all hear ya and agree with you. And know how evil they truly are as they blaspheme and call themselves " the truth". There is only ONE TRUTH and he is CHRIST and he is calling us out of that structure to belong to and follow HIM. Remember Peters own words " ...Lord, whom shall we turn away to? You have the sayings of everlasting life!"

So although we have come through that organization with you. We by means of CHRIST have been freed from her by not only knowing that she is not who or what she says she is.... But because we can take on CHRIST's yoke and load, following his lead as our fine shepherd and belong to him by partaking of his body and blood and listening to Holy Spirit as our teacher and leader instead of MAN!

So we are here for you
Love and peace to you and your family
Justmom

Thanks for the kind words!I dont get them from my JW relatives.I joined the Masons to see what they were about knowing the founder was a Mason.Elders told me I had to write a letter to the lodge stating I no longer wished to be a Mason when they saw the compass and square on my truck or I would be in an elders(usefull idiots)meeting.They say its a religion and I say its not.So after all their backstabbing,molesting,drunkedness,swapping,and carrying on antics I wrote a letter denouncing the corporation instead.I dont go to lodge much but its nice to sit next to people to eat and know they dont have a felony conviction!They arent perfect by a long shot but they dont claim to be either!Relatives are now telling me there is new light and the society is handling things differently.I have two weddings to go to this winter at kingdom halls and Im not looking forward to rubbing elbows with far left idiots medicated out of their minds.Watchtower corporation has blood on its hands in the name of money and power.I dont want any part of that scam.

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Tec,My issue with the Tattoos and piercings is that the ones getting them are elders wives and daughters and they are in good standing.I had a beard that was well groomed yet I couldnt give a talk and neither could my oldest son!Bible says no tattoos and yes to beards!Sad thing is they have no problem letting a serial pedophile go on stage or be an elder!I choose not to be part of that stupidity anymore.If I had Harley Davidson Tattooed on my chest they would have disfellowshipped me.Jehovahs rules NEVER change only mans!I dont need a religion or cult to interpret "thou shall not" or those who dont inherit the kingdom.

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All I got for pointing out false teachings was being called Apostate!So then I sent Silent Lambs articles and news clips for proof of the scandals.Same bleating of Apostate or there is new light!Liberals truly are diseased in the head!

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Ah, gotcha! Sorry I misunderstood. Thanks for clarifying. The hypocrisy... not the tattoos... is the problem.


Peace to you,
tammy

That and the attitude they could do as they please because of their "position"in the social circle they were in.We call them the untouchables because of their political connections.Do as we say not as we do serf or you will get no bread!Im ashamed they are related to me!I have relatives in Ohio that arent JWs and they were repulsed by the attitude and activities.Sooner or later STDs or a drug overdose will slow them down and they will be on stage a few years later at a convention tearfully telling their story and how happy they are now serving where the need is great.

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Then am I right in concluding that while you're anti-WTBTS (as most here are), you're not necessarily FOR Christ, dear Taze (morning and peace to you!). Because a slave is not greater than his master and Christ SAID they would do such, even expel us from their synagogues (public places where they gather the "discuss" the Law, etc., which is what a KH is). I mean, you seem to now recognize them as the hypocrites they are. Why the surprise when they reject your revelation of their false teachings? What hypocrite WANTS their error to be exposed? What hypocrite SEES their own error? Christ called them "blind guides" for a reason, luv.

I get that you're hurt, even angry... but shouldn't that be expected from THEM?



Again, what did you expect? For them listen? To say, "Oh, WOW, Taze, look at that! You're RIGHT, man!"? Really? Do you truly think you are the first person to try and bring such things to light and their attention? If so, please let me assure you, you are not. The Internet is RIFE with accounts of folks who've tried to expose that harlot's filth. To take PERSONAL offense is not very smart, then. More like a waste of valuable time. It's like a Jew going to a Muslim (or vice versa) and saying, "Hey, YOU folks are WRONG!" Should either truly expect the other to agree? And this is actually worse, if you are going to leaders. I mean, perhaps a R&F Jew or Muslim might be amenable to hearing why the other thinks he/she is wrong, but a leader among them? Not likely. More like to get one in serious "trouble," including being thought of as "crazy", etc.

C'mon, dear Taze: don't allow yourself act like the very people you're having a problem with. THINK!! You can rant and rave all day long; ain't gonna change a thing. If, you thought about it, you would know this. If, however, you managed to explain to one who might WANT to know, so as to help them open THEIR eyes... then perhaps you are doing something productive. One sheep at a time.

But you are "singing to the choir" to us here. For the most part, we are EX-JWs, luv. We KNOW what they're about and are not surprised at ALL at what is revealed. We KNOW the hypocrisy and double standards, and twisting of scripture/misapplication of verses to suit their needs. Heck, we KNOW how they raise "Paul" over Christ and misuse his teachings to not only overstep the Law but overstep CHRIST. Why? So that they can push people further into fear so as to mislead them AWAY from God and Christ... by leading them TO themselves.

They call themselves the "truth' - yet, Christ said HE is the truth (John 14:6. They seat themselves in the seat of Moses, making themselves a mediator between man and "Jehovah" (Matthew 23:2). They shut up the kingdom of the heavens before men by teaching them NOT to eat of the Tree of Life that is Christ and drink from the rock-mass that HE is, by partaking of his flesh and blood (Matthew 23:13; John 6:48-58; 15:1-6). They teach their members to practice corban and/or devour widow's houses for a pretense, using fear of "Armageddon" to trick them into giving away their childrens' inheritances ([b]Matthew 23:14; Mark 7:9-13; Revelation 13:13-16[/b]). They traverse sea and dry land to make ONE convert, which they make a greater candidate for the pit than themselves (Matthew 23:15). Along with others, they have literally breathed life back into and so resurrected the Law, which Christ replaced with a NEW law... then FULFILLED so that it was nailed to the stake and PUT TO DEATH... WITH him ([b]Revelation 13:14-17).

And so on and so on. We here, though, KNOW this. So ranting against their atrocities to US isn't probably going to get you the attention you need and seek. To the contrary, most of us have moved on from that, left that harlot back on the path, while trying to move FORWARD... and closer to the Light that is Christ. And, again, in doing so, we not only SEE what that harlot is and does... but in so seeing realize that there's no telling HER... her agents, minions, or adherents and adorants... about it. She's naked and exposed to US, yes... and has absolutely NO clothes on... but to them... well, that "empress" is dressed in all manner of finery.

I share all of this with you in the hopes that you are not discouraged when we don't all jump on this particular bandwagon with you. It's not because we disagree but because we've moved on from that mode of transportation, for the most part, to riding the rail. Some of us are even be on a bullet train compared to where you are, right now, but it IS a train that makes stops for new passengers all the time. Its passengers are a bit more about being FOR Christ than "against" anything else, including the WTBTS, although we don't shy away from that topic and exposing her filth when the matter comes up by any means. It's just not a major focus for us any more.

I hope with all of my heart that you will find yourself able to cash in your wagon pass for a train ticket one day and come ride with us. If and when you do, you can be sure that we will roll out the red carpet for you. Until then...

Peace... and may JAH bless!

YOUR servant and a slave of Christ,

Shellamar

I am in agreement with the Bible and try my best to live by it.I just wont tolerate a pedophile or anyone that will.When they make excuses or attack me I get hot.It takes a long time and a lot of garbage to get me hot.Problem is once I get hot I stay that way for a while.People that dont claim to be christian dont tolerate pedophiles so I expected decency to prevail with people that claim to be christians.I was raised in the cult so I guess I didnt catch on to the crap till it was up to my nose.

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I see, dear Taze (again, peace to you!). May I ask: have you read John 5:39, 40? If so, would you share with me your thoughts about what Christ meant there? Thanks!



I totally understand. Hard for me, too. I do try to keep it in perspective by remembering what all God tolerates from me/mankind but, like you, I can't/won't/don't condone certain conduct and never will, either. I also remember, though, that JWs don't tolerate people who don't agree with them... and even consider such worse (than pedophiles). So, NOT saying you SHOULD tolerate pedophiles... or anyone who does... not at all. Just trying to help you see that you're singing to the choir HERE... and to deaf ears THERE. That's all, luv.



Of course. But let me ask you: weren't you once "among" them and defending them? I was. Of course, I didn't know then what I know now... but I am sure I blew off someone who tried to tell me (although, perhaps not as to pedophilia but that could because I didn't actually let them get too far with their anti-WTBTS "rhetoric").

Look I "feel" you and your anger, really I do. Just saying... we HERE know what you mean and feel. But ranting HERE isn't going to get THEM to listen to/hear you, not at all.



Yes, I think I get that. And so I'm just trying to help you get some perspective so that you can use that energy to actually make a difference, rather than just filling the air, if you get my drift. In your own time and when you're ready, of course, but I couldn't let the opportunity to give YOU some things to think about pass. Nohmsayin'?



Ooh, you "expect." Forgive me for pointing it out, but you seem to have a bit of WTBTS garbage... uh, "baggage" on your shoe. Probably followed you out of that Latrine...



And you're not alone. But now that you can not only smell the crap, but SEE it... you should consider checking your shoes before you enter elsewhere, y'know? Else you MIGHT bring a little of that [judgmental] e.coli in with you. Sully up the place - LOLOLOL!

No, seriously, I HEAR you: your hurt, angry, mad, etc., etc. Most of us have been there so I get it. I just don't want you to let that anger cause YOU to "sin" (with your heart/lips), so I am just trying to help you put that hurt and anger in perspective so as to perhaps get the master over it. I realize that it can be VERY maddening to one day wake and up and realize the thing you put your entire life into was a lie. Not just a lie, but a HUGE, dirty, ungodly lie. Of COURSE that's gonna hurt. And possibly make one (very) mad. I get it. I'm sure everyone hear gets it, please don't think otherwise.

But we're trying to NOT be a WTBTS-bashing site, as much as a FOR Christ site, because that truly is the purpose. And there a difference. Again, if issues come up as to the WTBTS... or any other religion... we won't shy off from addressing them, but are kind of hoping we don't make such the FOCUS. Which it has, at times.

So, please, take no offense - I mean none. Just trying to kinda help keep this site on purpose. We tend to deviate from that when we get on the anti-something wagon, focusing more on the anti-something than on Christ. It's happened before and I'm sure will happen again, but if we can avoid/delay it, then, well...

So, that's it. Nothing personal toward YOU, not at all.

Again, peace to you!

Your servant and a slave of Christ,

Shellamar

Dear Taze...

I do hear you!


Although you are right in what you see as to them, holding on to the anger for a long time can be a dangerous situation for anyone. We can see the outcome of Cains anger towards his brother and where it got him.

And you mentioned you thought just because they claim to be christian, you should be able to expect some decency from them.

Well, what has been the track record in religion that calls itself Christian?

CHRIST has never been impressed with this and the outcome of their claim is where we read at
Matthew 25: 41-46.

So, now that you can see who and what they truly ARE, and yet what they PROFESS to be,
What you read should make more sense in the bible when it talks about " apostate Israel" and what they did and are doing as to Jah and not following nor listening to ...

" THE TRUTH" which is his son as our only mediator, leader, fine shepherd. The one who dispenses Holy Spirit to those that are asking. The one that offers to ANYONE to be and remain in union with him by partaking of his flesh and blood. John 6:48-59


So, we do hear ya, feel ya, agree with ya, but as Shelby mentioned are moving past them and trying to listen to and live by what CHRIST tells us, not man.
Ask him to help you with your anger towards them, and then give it over to him knowing that there is nothing they have not done or said to or about us that they did not already do or say about our lord.

Just wanted to share
Love Justmom