xjwsforChrist

Hello XJWsForChrist. I was reading JWN and came across a thread written by Don Cameron the author of "Captives of a Concept." He brings up an interesting point regarding the Watchtower's new teaching about their appointment over "all the Master's belongings."



The Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses have created a truly diabolical doctrine. They are essentially demanding of all their adherents that they fully accept the entire range of Watchtower teachings in the past present and the future. Not as 100% truth, but as requisite for the eventual appointment of the Master's belongings which, allegedly, is to occur in the very near future. They are claiming that it's so obvious that the Watchtower is, and always was, God's only channel of communication that it would have always been stupid for anyone to reject their message. This means accepting the need for ALL of the Watchtower's doctrine as a sole means for salvation. This means accepting ALL sacrifice that was given in the name of Jehovah by the Watchtower society. The question is does God want all that sacrifice? Or would he have preferred mercy? Would he want a blood doctrine that killed children in droves?

What researching Watchtower history will tell you is that they are in the business of boiling frogs. Their organization started out giving the proper divine authority and praise to Christ, The Son of God. Yet, slowly but surely they introduced to their unsuspecting flocks destructive doctrines and eventually removed Christ from the position of Chief Deity who was then replaced with an organization.

The final nail in the Watchtower coffin was the creation of their New World Translation. They gave up their eternal salvation by changing the grammatical text of Genesis 1:2:



The Apostolic rendering of Genesis 1:2 is grammatically accurate, yet the New World Translation committee consciously decided to translate "spirit of God" as "God's active force." This was a blaspheming of the Spirit of God because it turned the Person of the Spirit into an object. In the same way that prostitution objectifies human sexuality the Watchtower objectifies the Spirit by transforming it into a spiritual "substance." This is a cardinal offense committed by the Watchtower because of their claim to be Bible translators and distributors. This does mean that people believing that the Spirit is some sort of "force" are engaging in high heresy. However, it is the architects of the idea that are the true blasphemers not the acolytes who are merely misled (it's up to them how far they take their heresy). It's no wonder that the Watchtower made a solid attempt to keep the translators of the NWT secret, but God sees the secret things we do (Matthew 6:4).

So, what the Watchtower is doing with their new teaching is giving their followers a choice. They can accept the FULL RANGE of Watchtower doctrine as a requisite for the salvation of mankind or they can choose the Kingdom of Christ (Christendom). They are asking their followers now and in the future to forgive them when even God will not. They have denied his Son and solidified their own doom by their brazen disregard for the sanctity of the Spirit. Their time left is reduced (Matthew 24:22).

-Sab

Welcome back Sab

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Do you have the actual article of what the wts has said, Sab? Or a link to it? I missed what the wts has said about them being 'appointed over all the master's belongings'.

Peace,
tammy

I am directed to share with you that, unfortunately, this is not accurate, dear Sab (greetings and peace to you!). The WTBTS only took their interpretation from the many transliterations of the Hebrew word for "spirit"... which is shown as "ruwach" (Strong's G7307)... and means, basically, "wind," "breath," "mind," or "spirit". They didn't contrive the understanding; they simply took one of the primary literations of the word. Even so, if the spirit WAS a person, then, as you (and others) opine, when JAH blew into Adham's nostrils, He blew a PERSON into Adham. Not only Adham, but... according to the accounts, such "person" was inside of every piece of flesh under the heavens that was destroyed in the Flood:

"And, behold I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein [is] the breath (ruwach) of life, from under heaven; every thing in the earth shall die." Gen 6:17

"And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein the breath (ruwach) of life." Gen 7:15

"All in whose nostrils the breath (ruwach) of life, of all that in the dry [land], died." Gen 7:22

So, basically, if what you (and some others) believe is true, then everything that had God's BREATH (He, the LIFE, and so the breath OF LIFE)... had a "person" in them.

IF, though, they DID... have in them a "person" that was "The Holy Spirit"... then they COULD NOT HAVE SINNED such that JAH would bring destruction upon them. Could NOT. But what YOU are saying, by your assertion as to JAH's spirit... is that some "person" that is "The Holy Spirit" CAUSED them to sin. As the "bad" spirits, given to Pharaoh and King Saul, and those cast OUT by Christ and others caused THEIR "hosts" to sin (and hence, it was the spirits that were blamed, NOT their hosts, who were set FREE from possession and occupation BY such bad spirits!).

So, I am directed, by my Lord, the HOLY One of Israel, JAHESHUA, the Chosen One of JAH (MischaJah)... Who IS that Spirit (2 Corinthians 3:17)... to caution you... as to those (spirits) who are pushing you to this "poisonous" line of thinking (and I do so caution you in the spirit of love): take care. You are passing judgment on the WTBTS here... and you are correct - her days are numbered; indeed, the days of the Harlot and ALL of her "daughters," including the WTBTS... are numbered. BUT... you are also blaspheming. Against the Holy Spirit that is Christ (and not some "third" person).

For HE would have NEVER led the flesh... of man AND beast... to sin against his Father, the MOST HOLY One of Israel, JAH of Armies, such that they all were destroyed. Which is what you (and those spirit who are leading you) are saying. What those had IN them was NOT him... nor some "third" person... but God's lifeforce... in the form of His breath... by means of which ALL things "come to life", whether of this world or the spirit realm... temporarily in the flesh (starting with Adham), or for purposes of resurrection (whether to ETERNAL life... or to judgment). Ezekiel 37:5, 14; John 5:29; 11:25; Revelation 20:11-15

Please, dear Sab. I realize you want to be heard, indeed will all but scream whatever it takes to BE heard... perhaps because you have not felt heard ever before. But this is NOT how you want to do it, blaspheming against the Holy Spirit. Please... STOP listening to the spirits of those who claim the "know" based on the teachings and doctrines of men. Rather... TURN AROUND... so as to turn your face... AND EAR... to the One who speaks from the heavens, the HOLY One of Israel and HOLY SPIRIT, JAHESHUA, the Chosen One of JAH (MischaJah).

Please. I do not know how many more times I am going to be permitted to appeal to you... and caution you. Turn AROUND, dear Sab. Please. Because you are walking IN the wrong way... AWAY from the Way.... and so headed in the direction of the pit. Which blasphemy against the (Holy) Spirit leads to.

I bid you... be careful, dear one. Truly. Do not let your anger... and desire to have YOUR words "heeded" lead you. Let Christ, the Holy Spirit, lead you.

I hope this helps. Truly.

Again, peace to you!

Your servant and a slave of Christ,

Shellama

Who wrote the Book of Genesis?

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The word of my Lord to me, dear Pup (peace to you!)... is that the Genesis account was written by JAH's servant, Jah'Seph (which some state as "Yowceph," "YahSeph," "Yusef"... or "Joseph"), the son of Jah'esRa'El (which some state as "Yisrael" or "Israel") aka Jah'aKov (which some state as "Yahacov," "Yacov," "Yacob"... or "Jacob") by his beloved wife, Rach'El (or... "Rachel").

Not trying to postulate - that's exactly how he said it to me: Jah'Seph, son of Jah'esRa'El, by his wife, Rach'El. That is how many folks are identified: as "son of" and by which wife, if there were more than one.

He said Joseph was first given it to write when he was imprisoned in Egypt (he thought his life was going to be put to an end and so gave it to JAH... who, in turn, gave HIM the information and promised to make him "mighty" in the land if he did "just so" as to what he heard and saw) and (in gratitude to JAH for fulfilling His promise and raising him up... finished it while ruling under Pharaoh (hence, some of it was dictated to and written down by secretaries).

Hence, the belief that the Genesis account was NOT written by Moses, but by someone whose name started with "J" (or the yodh). Some believe the "J" person to be Joshua, son of Nun, but that is incorrect.

I hope this helps!

Again, peace to you!

Your servant and a slave of Christ,

Shellama

Did "J" use Greek to write it?

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No, dear one (peace to you!). A combination of cuneiform and hieroglyph was used. First, on clay vessels with a sharp piece of reed (in HIS language, depicted in cuneiform, while in prison and a bit later). Once he was established in Pharaoh's house he initially dictated to secretaries who wrote in cuneiform, then, as he learned the language of the "educated" better (which he did for his position), in hieroglyph. Then, on clay and/or papyrus using inks.

There was no "J", but a symbol that represented the sound "ya" or "yu"... (a jot, jud, or later, yud)... literally referring to "JAH" and later evolving into the Hebrew "yodh" (which is not a "y" but a "j", although making the "y" SOUND). The symbol, however, represented more than a sound... but God. Many names... and things... then, included that particular symbol and its corresponding sound.

The current Hebrew scriptures are translations TO Hebrew (and so more modern version than the original Hebrew/Phoenecian/Aramaic, etc.) FROM Greek (the Septuagint).

I hope that helps!

Again, peace to you!

Your servant and a slave of Christ,

Shellama

Then I wonder how good of a translation it was from the original to Greek?

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Well, my Lord DID say, "Woe to you... scribes, hypocrites!" And Jeremiah prophesied about the "false stylus" of the "secretaries" (copyists/scribes). So...

Which is why I tend to listen to my Lord first and foremost.

Peace, luv!

YSS of Christ,

Shellama

And there's the thing, isn't it? Relying solely upon the written word, AS IS... and not the Spirit, who IS Truth... is one way that so many false teachings and teachers get a foothold and dilute the Truth, or change it altogether.

Peace,
tammy

Well we don't know what was false and what was true.
But it's a good wager that most is a good approximation

It's possible that the only thing false was that Jesus mentioned "false scribes" at all

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What you are being directed by is, as you admit, an impersonal force which you believe to be working in accordance with the will of God. While your belief is sincere, it doesn't present any type of authority even though you present it as such. In a hostage situation the captured can be coerced into action using fear of death or bodily harm. Just because someone is being directed by a force by no means gives them authority. There really is no reason to bring up the idea that you are being "directed" or not. Such an idea could be used as a means of artificially inflating an opinion, however. In your case this is most certainly true.



You, and the Watchtower, propagate the destructive doctrine of original sin which hinges on a literal interpretation of Genesis. Once this error is realized and corrected your argument becomes erroneous. Adam and Eve suddenly become symbols with many meanings (Positive/Negative; Masculine/Feminine etc). As a collection of symbols "God's breath" becomes a symbol in of itself. God in the context of the Adam and Eve Fable doesn't have lungs. Why doesn't Genesis 1:2 say "God breathed over the waters"? Because there was nothing to breath life into. It was nothing but desolation. Only after the body of Adam was created was the Spirit able to make him come alive. Packing all of this into the imagery of the human respiratory system is a work of genius. It shows that the Father and the Spirit work as one in the process of changing things from inanimate to animate. That is a fundamental question of Science (when we went from inorganic to organic) answered with spiritual philosophy. It's beautiful when interpreted correctly and poison when not.



Yes, there IS a person in all of us. That person also inhabits the volcanoes, the lakes, the clouds and everything that is living. Including mankind.



The breath of life is what keeps us alive and breathing. Without it we'd just fall to the ground like stones. We die because if the Spirit held on forever the Spirit would die along WITH us. That's why Genesis 6 says:



...in the story the world was so full of sin that the Spirit had to give us a limited life span. Because an eternity of sin is enough to destroy the Spirit. That's essentially what the Watchtower and outfits like them are trying to do. They are trying to kill the Spirit of God because he/she is faithful to mankind even to our own error. They use love against us. The Spirit is so full of love that it WOULD die for us, but the Father will not allow it. That's why translating a Bible such as the NWT is an unforgivable sin. Because it's turning the world's uncredited facilitator into a tool. Just because someone isn't generally credited doesn't mean they don't exist. He/she is NOT a tool, he/she is a person who is very old and I would imagine very tired and possibly ill.



It is you who are incorrect, my friend. You are objectifying the Holy Spirit which is blaspheming him/her. This is a destructive heresy that had been propagated for thousands of years by countless cultures. Turning the Holy Spirit into an "active force" and making Christ into a created deity are the foundations of Arianism. In your case I must conclude you to be an Arian willing to die for that cause.





-Sab

We CAN know, though, by asking and by testing, against Christ, and against love, and against what else is written.

But most important, if we simply listen to Christ, first and foremost, and test all against Him and love, then we can better recognize something false. (the voice of a stranger) We don't need to go searching for what was false... we can just follow Him, who is true.



*shrugs*

Maybe, maybe not. A lot of the problem also comes down to interpretation, which also leaked into how something was written/translated/etc.



Now this we can know is untrue... because we KNOW that there are 'scribes' out there, changing things according to the meaning that best suits their understanding. We can know this simply by the NWT, and that scribes did alter what was written, in adding things (like "jehovah").

We know that there have been mistranslations otherwise (doesn't have to mean maliciously so), else we would not have 'updated' versions, or so many various possibilities of the meaning of a phrase or word. For example, before people started looking into the greek or hebrew word for 'hell', how many people simply believed that hell was other than the 'world of the dead'?

Peace,
tammy

You give the NWT translation committee FAR too much credit. They were NOT scribes, they were wanna be scribes. No mysticism is required in interpreting the written word. If there were scribes who made alterations God would make sure they were exposed using other parts of the written word. This would mean periods of darkness where a wrong teaching was propagated. However, it wouldn't be brought to light by mysticism, it would be a matter logic and reason. Which would mean that STUDY of the SCRIPTURES is an incredibly important task. You are not studying if you are just mixing and matching ideas that "come to you" in some mysterious way. The first task is discovering what ISN'T Scripture so that you can know what actual Scripture looks like. Then you use THAT as the framework.

It would be like if trigonometry was being taught wrongly by a educational system. Eventually there would be something that just "didn't add up" which would require further investigation. Next you'd play the "one is not like the other" game and single out the culprit scriptures. At that point you have a crime scene where someone consciously tried to alter Scriptures. You have a lead and you follow it to the criminal. "The lying scribes did it" is a shameful scapegoat as it creates a stereotype against scribes. It basically says they were an obsolete force, which is another blaspheme. Scribes are hand chosen by God to safeguard truth. It is among the highest dishonors to disregard this responsibility. It was a very rare occurrence.

-Sab