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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 10:51 pm 
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Hi everyone,

This is literally hot off the press as in from about half an hour ago.

We have a friend from NZ (who is wavering and knows our situation) and he is on holiday in Japan at the moment. Today there was a Zone Overseer talk that he went to in Nagoya (southern Japan) and it has just finished up. Straight after the song and still in the stadium he emailed us the info below. Anthony Morris and Christopher Mavor were the speakers:

- A publication was released, well not really a publication, it is the book of Matthew. Not a book about Matthew, but the book of Matthew all on its own. It is called The New World Translation of the Gospel of Matthew and is 128 pages long. It is to be offered on its own in the door to door work because "the Japanese people need to read the bible more." There was a copy for everyone there, and they will be available through the congregations.

- The lack of increase recently in Japan has been a concern of the Governing Body. The numbers have dropped off over the last 10 years. The new release book has been specially provided for the needs of the Japanese brothers.

- Luke 10:16 was read and the follow up statement was "Jesus sent these ones out in the work and if the householder rejected them, they were in fact rejecting Jesus and Jehovah. The same is true today. When people at the doors reject us and the food from the Faithful and Discreet Slave, they are rejecting Jesus and Jehovah."

He shot the email off because it was the first time he had ever heard of one book of the bible being released. Also, as he has some doubts, he got a chuckle from the comparison made between rejecting Jesus and rejecting the FDS. He's heading out with some friends now so I'm hoping he'll give some more info when he gets back!

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 11:19 pm 
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I've never heard of one book of the Bible being released alone, but if I recall correctly, the green NWT was released in sections back in the 1960's. No, I wasn't a JW at the time! I remember hearing about it because the full NWT with the green cover hadn't been out too long when I met the Witnesses and some of them were talking about it.

I guess if the Japanese people aren't interested, it's more cost effective to lose money printing one book than the whole 66! :lol:


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 6:58 am 
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I wonder why the book of Matthew? More cherry picking the bible to suit there ideas?


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 9:57 am 
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Zoe wrote:
I wonder why the book of Matthew? More cherry picking the bible to suit there ideas?



My thoughts as well, ZOE! Why Matthew?
I can see why they would not want the book of JOHN out there, because of chapter 6, but I wonder why only Matthew? We will seeeee... :shock:

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 11:22 am 
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They're just fulfilling prophecy, dear WS (peace to you!). And we really shouldn't be surprised... or expect it to end as long as they exist... since they really are nothing more than a publishing company (masquerading as a religion). As the wise Congregator wrote:

"Remember your Creator
in the days of your youth,
before the days of trouble come
and the years approach when you will say,
“I find no pleasure in them”—
before the sun and the light
and the moon and the stars grow dark,
and the clouds return after the rain;
when the keepers of the house tremble,
and the strong men stoop,
when the grinders cease because they are few,
and those looking through the windows grow dim;
when the doors to the street are closed
and the sound of grinding fades;
when people rise up at the sound of birds,
but all their songs grow faint;
when people are afraid of heights
and of dangers in the streets;
when the almond tree blossoms
and the grasshopper drags itself along
and desire no longer is stirred.
Then people go to their eternal home
and mourners go about the streets.

"Remember him—before the silver cord is severed,
and the golden bowl is broken;
before the pitcher is shattered at the spring,
and the wheel broken at the well,
and the dust returns to the ground it came from,
and the spirit returns to God who gave it.

“Meaningless! Meaningless!” says the Teacher.
“Everything is meaningless!”

Not only was the Teacher wise, but he also imparted knowledge to the people. He pondered and searched out and set in order many proverbs. The Teacher searched to find just the right words, and what he wrote was upright and true.
The words of the wise are like goads, their collected sayings like firmly embedded nails—given by one Shepherd. [b]Be warned, my son, of anything in addition to them
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Of making many books there is no end, and much study wearies the body.

"Now all has been heard;
here is the conclusion of the matter:
Fear God and keep his commandments,
for this is the duty of all mankind.
For God will bring every deed into judgment,
including every hidden thing,
whether it is good or evil."
Ecclesiastes 12:1-14


They make THEIR books so as to lead people AWAY from the MOST HOLY One of Israel, JAH of Armies, and toward THEMSELVES. Unlike the Teacher (Matthew 23:8; John 13:13:13

And so, what, they've run out of useful (i.e., so as to mislead) topics. BUT... they are a publishing company and so need to publish "something" - hey, why not break the bible into many books and start publishing it that way? So long as folks donate for such (and they will, won't they, out of guilt if nothing else)?

Really, what else should a publishing conglomerate be doing other than the "making many books," dear one? Telling folks the TRUTH? Surely, you jest.

Nothing they do... or say... is truly "marvelous." Nothing. It's all striving after the wind. Hopefully, the dear ones in Japan will continue to see this and more will GET OUT OF HER.

Again, peace to you!

YOUR servant and a slave of Christ,

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I am surprised they are distributing all of Matthew as one book. That way, people might read Matthew 24:45-51 in context, along with verses 1-44, and continuing into chapter 25. "Hey, that's one of many related parables with a common topic--not a literal prophecy!"

Perhaps their "exegetical explanation" of that passage is what balloons their version of Matthew's gospel up to 128 pages? That's more than twice as long as in any of the Bibles I have!


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Why Matthew? My guess is that the phrase "Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John" is so ubiquitous that even the Japanese culture is familiar with it. Thus, to print one of the other three would give rise to a similar question, "why <Mark, Luke, John>?". To print the book of Matthew "first" forestalls the questions, and if it doesn't meet publishers expectations, they can stop, then say they chose Matthew because of it's <reason>.

What are the talking/selling points of Matthew? The genealogies, perhaps? Whatever it was that WTBTS taught JW's in the "All Scripture Inspired" book or its successor will probably be the reasons given for choosing Matthew.

Why did WT switch to softcovers? Why did they shrink the magazines? Why brochures instead of books? Why tracts instead of brochures? Why 3-day conventions instead of 4-, 5- and 8-day? Why no more 50-60,000 seat venues for conventions? Why dismiss thousands of Bethelites from work/service?

It's all about the money.


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Not only was the Teacher wise, but he also imparted knowledge to the people. He pondered and searched out and set in order many proverbs. The Teacher searched to find just the right words, and what he wrote was upright and true.
The words of the wise are like goads, their collected sayings like firmly embedded nails—given by one Shepherd. [b]Be warned, my son, of anything in addition to them.


Wow never noticed that line before. Thanks Shelby.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 4:26 am 
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Hello everyone,

Sorry to copy and paste, but our wifi is dropping out something chronic tonight, and I don't want to lose a big post....

We heard from our friend again today and he emailed a photo of the book. It is light pink with a marble-esque pattern and is pretty much the same dimensions as a Daily Text book. It is written in normal size font and in the vertical Japanese style. He asked me not to post the photo because he doesn't know how to remove "EXIF data". I don't even know what that is but will respect his wishes.

The only reason we can think as to why they went with the book of Matthew is that perhaps it contains the most JW friendly synopsis of Jesus life and ministry? I think Japan would be mostly Buddhist wouldn't it? Maybe Shinto? Not sure of the reasoning. My mate has recorded about 30 mins of the talk but is having trouble sending it on the hotel wifi. If it comes through I'll see if I can upload it. The talk was broken up with the speaker saying a few sentences, then a translator repeating what was said in Japanese.

With regards to the possible reasons for decline, one thing my mate has noticed there is that there are lots of sisters in the congregations and there were visibly more at the stadium for the talk. He was pretty happy about that LOL! It seems that there are lots of unbelieving husbands. So maybe what is happening is the kids of these families are now getting to an age where they can make a decision, and choose not to go down the JW path. There is huge pressure for kids to go to University in Japan, and my mate said that there is huge pressure, especially for the brothers to be pioneers, MSs, and elders. Pretty much if you aren't a pioneer, you aren't considered marriage material.

These might be contributing factors? Surely the internet mustbe playing a role.

As for the part about rejecting them is the same as rejecting Jesus, well dang their egos are unstoppable aren't thhy? Reminds me of that video of Ray Franz where he mimics the WTS and says "Yes Jesus is the way and the truth, and we are the way to him!"

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Just a note about those who reject the JW at the door; this was common parlance in my local congregation. So, I was told that once I knew "the Truth", if I argued with it I would be rejecting Jehovah and Jesus.

This is so wrong, wicked, even, and is part of the whole process of brainwashing. Love-bombing combined with threat and warnings, a classic cult manipulative technique to which the unwary may succumb all too easily.

I know. I did. Even though my mind knew this was all totally illogical and controlling, to my utter shame I did succumb. Till they went too far and it hit me so very hard that I was making the most terrible mistake of my life. Up tp then, I'd been told that once I'd learned it all (scarcely difficult!) then I knew, if I knew, and then turned away from the FDS, then I was even more wicked than an innocent householder who hadn't heard "the Truth".

Daily, every single day, I thank God that I am out of The Lie.


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Well, you wanna hear some cult speak, right from the horses mouth?

Today my friend forwarded me this little gem. It is an edit of a minute and a half of Anthony Morris' talk there. In it you will hear such wonderful Christian encouragement along the lines of "if you aren't unconscious for two months in hospital you have no excuse for not preaching"

Grab your vomit bucket, strap on your tinfoil hat, and prepare for the worst:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... AeysDQeqCw

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They all have the same tone of voice, never changes. Totally nauseating lol and he thinks even if in a nursing home they should preach. Dementia won't even be a problem since the preaching is demented anyway.
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Zoe....

I love your post!!!
It is truly a sad thing when 15 minute increments of preaching their vomit is hard to find in individuals.
This was something that was put in place after I left. We were still doing 1 hour increments.
But how embarrassing to put on a time card " I found 15 minutes this month to talk about Jehovah,"
And they actually expect you to turn this IN.
People that claim to have " the truth" and they are struggling to find individuals to even preach 15 minutes or more a month.
Just shows YA.....No truth exists to be proud of inside.

As Isaiah 59: 9-15 reminds us " Justice has come to be far away from us, and righteousness does not catch up with us. We keep hoping for light, but darkness and in gloom we kept walking...
We keep hoping for justice but there was none, for salvation has stayed far away from us. For our revolts have become many in front of Jah. Our revolts are with us, and as for our errors, we well know them. The has been transgressing and a denying of Jah, and there was a moving back from our god.
A conceiving and a muttering of words of falsehood from the very heart. And justice was forced to move back, and righteousness itself kept standing simply far off. FOR TRUTH HAS STUMBLED EVEN IN THE PUBLIC SQUARE, and what is straightforward is unable to enter.
AND THE TRUTH PROVES TO BE MISSING, and anyone turning away from badness is being despoiled."

It is NO wonder they can't find 15 minutes to preach truth! It truly does NOT exist.

Just wanted to share what I heard this morning
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