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PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2014 2:02 pm 
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So Loesch is trying to pull a fast one. No surprise, yes I know. However, it is so amusing to WITNESS these klowns act AS IF! LOL!!

It's friday and I haven't made a call all week to the WTBTS. Seems in order today, in NEW LIGHT of LOESCH'S revea-lations on just what he DOES AND DOES NOT DO at the WTBTS.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchto ... ts#5128926

I wonder too, how many "no comment" they are up to with phone calls from others wanting to get such. Guess I'll see if I can get through.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2014 2:38 pm 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7UD6wMteYI

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2014 3:05 pm 
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Why are YOU surprised, dear Skals (peace to you, girl!)?????? They don't know how to speak TRUTH. So... what's LEFT... BUT lies??

Why do you dear folks keeping thinking that these people... the leaders... no, figureheads... of the WTBTS will EVER tell the truth?? They don't KNOW truth! They don't SPEAK truth! If they DID... they wouldn't BE "GB" members, girl!

C'MON, girl! You and other keeps trying to make SENSE... out of WTBTS/GB NONSENSE. It's IMPOSSIBLE.

What's up with THAT?

I'd truly like to know: why in the WORLD do you keep looking for them to own up, 'fess up, tell/speak the TRUTH? It's FUTILE, m'luv! It AIN'T gonna HAPPEN.

Someone said the definition of insanity is to keep doing the same thing over and over... and expecting a different outcome. You might wanna take note of that, luv. Absolutely NO offense intended. Just some "light."

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No surprise, yes I know


Guess you missed that part.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2014 3:26 pm 
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good grief, calm the hell down. if you had listened or looked at any of my tapes "description" boxes, you'd SEE why i'm making these tapes and that I AM WELL AWARE I'M NOT EVER GOING TO GET THE TRUTH FROM ANY OF THEM. DUH!!!

however, if you have not read those or viewed them, OH WELL, I guess you will still be in the state you are now: THINKING YOU KNOW SOMETHING, THAT YOU CLEARLY DO NOT. YET COULD HAVE MADE YOURSELF AWARE OF, IF YOU CHOSE.

It's clear you've not even viewed my channel there to read WHY I'M DOING THE TAPES.

Ok, now, your turn...............

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2014 11:40 pm 
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I well made my point, girl (peace to you!): you SAY "no surprise," but...

That you don't get that point doesn't mean I didn't make it.

Peace... truly!

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2014 9:39 am 
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Almost everyday we are seeing first hand what Charletons these men from the Watchtower are. Posting it and telling others and announcing it to the world is Helping a lot. They can't hide anymore YAY!!

The court documents are shown below where he declares he doesn't answer to the The Watchtower Society. Great!!
http://jwsurvey.org/cedars-blog/i-do-not-answer-to-watchtower-stunning-gerrit-losch-declaration-revealed


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Boy oh boy, what to do? So i called the local kh, the one the elder who came to my door while back, and it rings and rings, per usual. I just about push "end call" and some ELDER answers (sounded younger than the other one; and it wasn't til near end of 20 min call that he told me this).

I ask: if/when i come to your public meeting 2mrow or another time, may i please bring some material with me to discuss, since there is no where on the website to do such and i'd like to be able to talk to an elder and/or the entire BOE? He said, actually the meeting 4 2morow is today at noon and it is a televised branch 'visit'; a special meeting he called it. i asked if it was perhaps the new 1914 video talked about on jw.org. he did not know.

I told him what my material would be so he could be prepared. He says he has not about ANY OF THESE CASES OR ANY INVOLVING JWS. I said, and you are an elder and do not even know of CANDACE CONTI CASE? He said no. I said, interesting. Well, I may attend your meeting to day to see what the vid is about and to ask about one of your gb members and all these lawsuits going on.. He said okay. But assured me that they may have no answers!! duhhhhhhhhhhhhhh WAIT TIL THE ELDER THAT WAS AT MY DOOR NOTICES ME IN THE 'GREAT CROWD'. LOL!

Wonder if he will let me use his ipad to show him the articles of news and the documents where gb lies to court.

Any bets on how long i last? ::))

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Zone visit seems the appropriate place and time to bring awareness to the recent lawsuits, settlements and more cases on file to the local jws. This way, as I told the elder on the phone, they will know what we, the public, have been aware of for sometime now; since back when Dateline aired. [sure wish i'd have taped this call] And they will be better prepared when they encounter 'researchers' like me. We don't want to discuss the bible, we have more pressing issues regarding your org that we feel MUST BE ADDRESSED. Would you not agree child abuse and covering it up, as a group, is abhorrent? If so, why is that most jws and the elders do not know about any of these cases that are now in the courts and have been so in the past? Would you not classify THAT as covering up? Not even knowing, although there are documents proving such that comes straight from the gb themselves; especially losch??

Simply, I am here to BRING AWARENESS. It seems odd that even the BOE here, locally, are not Aware of all that is NOW ONGOING and has been so for years and years to come, brothers. Care to comment?

That is my plan of action.

Incidently, years ago i canvassed that kh hood with fliers about JESUS CANO. I did it in April which is child abuse awareness month.

Seriously, i cannot pass up this prime opportunity to see the zone video and to bring awareness. I shall reward myself with sun and sand tomorrow!

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Good morning to you dear Skally and peace to you this day...

How long will you last???...

Well if you mind yo manners LOL, you'll last a minute or two until you ask too many questions they either can't answer or put 2 & 2 together and figure your just a disgruntled disfellowshipped xJW and then the red flag " Apostate" comes up and they will have two brothers escort you out and tell you you are not welcome here.

That's my bet. Hope I'm wrong. My wish is for somebody somewhere inside to see through it but....

Prolly not! Might all depend on how you present your truth!

Best wishes with this,
Love your sister in CHRIST, Kim


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Personally I think confronting elders and shoving all this in there face does no good. Like JustMom said they just think you are a disgruntled exjw. They don't get it. Posting facts to the general public on the internet and letting people know theFacts of the lies and cover-ups is I think a better way to expose them.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2014 9:33 pm 
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The RCC has done what the WTBTS has done... and worse... and for a lot... LOT... longer time (peace to you all!). HER dirt has been exposed and been made public for CENTURIES. Folks have given their lives exposing HER... and yet, there she is. Her penultimate Pope has been hidden away and her current one more adored than many before him.

To think that chiding the leaders of the WTBTS... or their minions... is going to change ANYTHING... is insanity. Those who try today are NO different than those who came before.

Similar to what dear Zoe (peace to you, dear lady! ) shared, trying to reach those who have questions/are questioning/can see-tell something's not quite right/want REAL TRUTH... has merit. Chiding/harassing people WHO DON'T CARE... don't WANT to know... because they BELIEVE, for whatever reason, that they already HAVE [the] truth... and/or are "happy"... is not only futile, but damaging. It defeats the PURPOSE.

Why?? Because it says to such people that "they" ARE "right about" you... and ALL who leave. It says you're that unhappy, disgruntled, angry, childish "apostate" that "they" SAY you are.

It doesn't help anyone... except maybe the unhappy, disgruntled, and angry to "vent." But it does more harm than good. Because it causes those who MIGHT otherwise BE reached to shut their eyes... and ears... even more. People who already LOVE the blind slavery they exist in.

BUT... it's not MY work and to each his/her own, so...

Just sayin'. Nohmsayin'?

Peace!

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Chiding/harassing people WHO DON'T CARE... don't WANT to know... because they BELIEVE, for whatever reason, that they already HAVE [the] truth... and/or are "happy"... is not only futile, but damaging. It defeats the PURPOSE.

Why?? Because it says to such people that "they" ARE "right about" you... and ALL who leave. It says you're that unhappy, disgruntled, angry, childish "apostate" that "they" SAY you are.

It doesn't help anyone... except maybe the unhappy, disgruntled, and angry to "vent." But it does more harm than good. Because it causes those who MIGHT otherwise BE reached to shut their eyes... and ears... even more. People who already LOVE the blind slavery they exist in.


Shelby, You got that right!!


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When I post things that expose the Watchtower it is not for revenge, it is because it reinforces my knowledge that I was right to leave them. I am so happy to be out and be so fortunate as to have seen the truth about the lie that religion is. I was one of the lucky ones, I feel bad for those still in there wasting their time and life.

Religion is a snare and a Racket but some people can't live without it.


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I totally understand posting about their dirt, dear Zoe ( mornin ' and peace to you, dear lady! ). People who WANT to know NEED to know. And posting on the Internet is currently one of the best way to facilitate that.

Harassing people... including those who don't have a clue... or WANT to have a clue... is counter-productive. Does more harm than good because THOSE people (i.e., phone receptionists who don't know/aren't GIVEN any information but are to always respond "No comment" or similar to seemingly provocative questions - and remember, we're dealing with a LOT of people who barely have a high school education... IF that... and/or were RAISED by uber-JWs... and so although THINKING they art "smart" and "know"... well, pretty much "everything"... because they have a WTBTS "education"... don't really know HOW to FOR THEMSELVES. Or even WANT to. And so they turn the RESPONSIBILITY for thinking... for even trying to DISCERN whether what they "know"... are being TOLD... IS true or not... over to others. To those with "authority" because they've been TAUGHT... to DO that. And NOT to ever question "authority"... ( the WTBTS/"Society" BEING such authority)... and so to chide THEM is almost cruel.

Because in some ways they really are mentally handicapped. Like the lead character in the movie "Nell." She spoke as she was TAUGHT... from BIRTH... by someone with a severe speech impediment. SHE didn't KNOW her speech was wrong.... and never WOULD have, having been isolated from REAL society all her life... until Liam Neeson's character came along. Imagine, though, if he came and said, "What? You don't KNOW your speech is impeded, that folks don't REALLY talk like that?! What's WRONG with you?? You SHOULD know - all you gotta DO is read the paper!"

Thing is, she didn't have ACCESS to a paper, living where and HOW she had been RAISED to live! Had she even come across a paper she probably would have been told it was "evil." Because her mother, who raised her and had a severe speech impediment, such that she went off to hide from a world that viewed HER unkindly and unlovingly, TAUGHT her that the world was so.

SAME thing with MANY JWs: they are kept isolated, sometimes literally, but CERTAINLY mentally, from the "world." Even believing they are no PART of it. Sadly, they show themselves to be MORE a part of it than even some THEY disdain by their WORKS, particularly their treatment of others... including their so - called brothers.

But even if we were to say "Well, their ignorance is their OWN fault"... and to be sure, some of it is... "and so why SHOULD I feel sorry for them??"... the answer would be "Because feeling pity for the BLIND"... and if nothing else they ARE blind... "SHOULD be a NATURAL emotion." Not pity that patronizes or condescends, but pity that says "MAY I help you?" And if the answer is "Yes!", then "Here, take my arm and I'll.guide you." Not, "Okay, I'm gonna grab you and PULL you and make you go THIS way!"). And if the response is "No, thanks, I'm good," then one RESPECTS and gracefully ACCEPTS that declination.... and goes HIS/HER way. To do otherwise is the WTBTS "way"! And so how can one take IS SUE with them if one is doing the SAME thing???

At the very least, one doesn't chide folks for FORCING their beliefs on others... while doing the same. Regardless of the "intent." Because BOTH... BELIEVE... their intentions are "right."

If a certain JW... KEPT coming to ANY of our doorways, after we've made it known we're NOT interested... or if, for whatever reason we'd just like them to STOP... we wouldn't only think I'll of them.... think that perhaps what we've heard "about" Jehovah's Witnesses being "pushy" is TRUE, but probably put out a "No Solicitating" sign, if not take out a restraining order.

Posting what they DO... what they ARE... WHO they are... and who they are NOT... for anyone who WANTS to know, or even those who don't KNOW they want to know but might for some reason stumble upon, is one thing. A FABULOUS thing. Know something? By ALL means, put it out there! Information is a GOOD thing!

Literally harassing folks, however, is another. Again, it's counter-productive and just gives them MORE fodder [to give a talk/write a negative article about]. Which makes it all the MORE difficult for ALL of us.

Again, just sayin'.

Peace to you ALL!

A slave of Christ,

Shellamar


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