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PostPosted: Sat Oct 04, 2014 9:13 am 
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Armageddon countdown card from October 1913 to October 1914. Charles Russell insisted the Gentile time would end then. How is it people are still following a religion that has it all wrong every time. They actually have this in their yearbook about the history of the Watchtower. To me it proves their failure.

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October 2, 1914
On the morning of October 2, 1914, Brother Russell entered the Bethel dining room and announced to the Bethel family: “The Gentile Times have ended; their kings have had their day.”

http://www.jw.org/en/publications/books/2014-yearbook/one-hundred-years-ago-1914/


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 04, 2014 11:18 am 
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How is it people are still following a religion that has it all wrong every time.....Zoe

Good morning Zoe!..

That is an excellent question..
In order to answer it you must do something that is forbidden in WBT$ World..
"THINK"..

The WBT$ keeps JW`s busy,every minute of every day..
JW`s days are consumed with..
Providing the WBT$ free labour,reading WBT$ Propaganda,attending WBT$ Sales Meetings..
And..
Surrounding themselves with fellow WBT$ JW Slaves of the same mind set..
WBT$ Propaganda is promoted,freedom of thought/speech is squashed..
Anyone who doesn`t follow the WBT$ Program is discarded..

Because of that..
The WBT$ has been right every time..
WBT$ Failure is Success..
Wrong is Right if you would only look at things from a WBT$ point of view..
MORE IMPORTANTLY..


.............Would You Like To Buy a..
WBT$ JW.ORG Umbrella??!!..
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..............................................................Image...OUTLAW

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 04, 2014 11:26 am 
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Because of this dear ZOE
Love and Peace to you this morning...



Jer 5:31
The prophets prophesy lies, the priests rule by their own authority, and my people love it this way. But what will you do in the end?


And as long as this IS what they truly want versus knowing The TRUTH which is CHRIST, they as a religion/ corporation will continue!

Love your sister and fellow servant of CHRIST, Kim


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2014 7:57 am 
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It is amazing that people love lies, just unbelievable. Yet they call it "the Truth" when its the opposite.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2014 9:13 am 
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It is amazing that people love lies,


I came to learn just a couple of years ago, dear Zoe (mornin' and peace to you, dear lady!)... that it isn't just JWs. I can't speak for the non-western world but in the western world I am coming to understand that MOST people love lies. That's how the top billion dollar industries in our society (i.e., advertising, beauty/fashion, cosmetic surgery, pharmaceuticals, alcohol, drugs, legal/litigation... and especially religion in general) can even exist: because MOST folks don't WANT the truth, let alone can handle it.

Truth is considered anathema in the western society. It's better to "get along"... even if that means LIVING a lie, let alone accepting them. "We" want to exist in "the Matrix" where everything... and everybody... APPEARS "perfect." Sure, we applaud those folks who come forward and say, "Hey, I'm not perfect; my life wasn't/isn't perfect." We call them... brave. Think about that: for someone to tell the TRUTH about certain things... drug/alcohol addiction, child/domestic abuse... and other issues that are PREVALENT in our society... it's considered BRAVE. THAT's because MOST folks don't/can't/won't do that, tell the truth. Because SOCIETY won't LET them - it won't ACCEPT the truth. Because it loves the lie.

And so, in our society, we COVER the truth at every chance. Why? Because TRUTH... isn't PRETTY. It isn't necessarily ugly, but it's ugly more often than it isn't. And so we close our eyes... AND our ears. Which renders us blind... and deaf.

Imagine, though, if we all DID speak truth (to one another). Or, as my Lord said to me, "If you can't say what is TRUE, say nothing at all." There'd be a whole lot LESS of confusion and "misunderstanding"... and conflict/war... and a whole lot more silence. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing.

Something to consider: in the spirit realm, there is almost never silence. The one time I know of... it was a pretty big deal. Big enough for John to be told to record it. Revelation 8:1

There is no silence THERE... because NOTHING is hidden. Nothing is hidden even in the world of the dead. Only HERE, in THIS realm, can things be hidden. And they are hidden, all the time. WE hide them... not just from others, but even from ourselves. Our vessels allow it; they can hide what is INSIDE (of us) and thus what comes OUT may not be TRUE.

The "white robe," however, which is the spirit body, doesn't do that. Can't do it. Which is why it is CRITICAL that those who are chosen to "wear" them will have worked OUT cleansing the INSIDE... BEFORE they are given such "garments." Because if the lie is still IN them, it WILL be revealed (unlike now/here, where the "soiled garment" that is OUR flesh... flesh with ITS blood... hides things). And if such is revealed "in" us... we would have to be cast OUT (of the spirit realm).

And that's why SO much time has been and is being ALLOWED: to give the "chosen" ones TIME... to learn TRUTH. To cleanse the INSIDE of their "cups" (bodies/vessels). Of course, we can't completely do that. And so a ransom has been given: Christ, whose BLOOD cleanses... what we ourselves CANNOT.

Since we are ALL in that same "boat"... with uncleanness on the INSIDE... we ALL need a kind of "water" that can CLEANSE us. The "water" that can do that is that same blood... given as a sacrifice... but now available in the form of SPIRIT blood... HOLY SPIRIT... the breath, seed, and BLOOD of the MOST HOLY One of Israel, JAH of Armies, which blood courses through the "veins" of His Son, Who is the Tree of Life, the HOLY One of Israel, JAHESHUA, the Chosen One of JAH (MischaJah).

By drinking from HIM, taking into ourselves the "sap" of the Tree (of Life)... his BLOOD... we are CLEANSED... on the INSIDE (and, for some, on the outside as well)... and our "errors"... "covered". Even blotted out. And that is the GOOD news [of the kingdom]. That by means of HIM, we CAN be clean... INSIDE... and so nothing INSIDE of us hidden from GOD... so that we CAN stand before Him and before His throne.

For me... that is the greatest blessing! Because if I CAN stand before God... then perhaps I can plead, or at least ask Christ to plead... NOT just for myself, but for my entire HOUSEHOLD. That they, too, can have a standing (before God). To me, this is SUCH a blessing that I MUST tell others about it! About HIM. And how much I love him, Christ, for making this possible for ME (and my household). In return, the only thing I can give HIM... IS my love. Which love FORCES me... to speak the truth. About him... about the Father... and about anything and everything else he tells me to. Even if others don't want to/can't receive it.

As a result I have learned that the Truth that is Christ... and the truth one comes to know because of the Christ... AND the truth one comes to SPEAK... BECAUSE of the Christ... truly DOES set one FREE. At least, to the extent one can BE free while still existing in a vessel of flesh with ITS blood. But the truth I have learned from him also has shown me, so that I am CERTAIN, that one day that vessel won't be able to contain "me" any longer. Rather, I will have a NEW vessel... "robe"... to "wear"... and by means of THAT, I will be TRULY free. Because I won't be confined to THIS world, but have access to ALL realms. Me, and ALL those who possess such robes.

And so, out of my gratitude for that, for knowing that, being told that... and looking FORWARD to that, for myself AND my household, I join him and his bride, the NEW Jerusalem in saying:

"Come!"

To ALL those wishing and thirsting:

"COME! Take Life's (Christ's) water... the holy spirit of GOD, the MOST HOLY One of Israel, JAH of Armies, which water/spirit is HIS breath, blood, and seed... and is poured out ONLY from the innermost parts of His Son and Christ, my Lord, Master, Savior, and King, JAHESHUA, the Chosen One of JAH (MischaJah), who is the HOLY One of Israel and HOLY Spirit... FREE!"

Sorry for the... ummmmm... well, I'm gonna call it a "witness", dear lady, if you don't mind, in which case, I'm NOT sorry, but you know what I mean...

And peace to you, ALWAYS!

YOUR servant and a slave of Christ,

Shel


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2014 9:13 am 
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I don't know what happened to the photo of the countdown card I posted here yesterday??

Here it is again.

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I was wonderin' about that, luv (peace to you!) - LOLOL! Thank for re-posting it!

Peace!

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2014 9:20 am 
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Thank you Shelby, what you say certainly rings of truth.


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You are quite welcome, dear Zoe (again, peace to you, dear lady!). I must correct something, though. I stated:

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and so nothing INSIDE of us hidden from GOD... so that we CAN stand before Him and before His throne.


My dear Lord has reminded that nothing is hidden from the MOST HOLY One of Israel, JAH of Armies, no matter WHAT "garment" we have one (one of flesh OR one of spirit), and no matter where we ARE (the spirit realm, world of the dead, OR here). He said it is not about what we [try to] hide from JAH... but what we try to hide from ONE ANOTHER and ourselves. In the spirit realm, that means what we [would] try to hide from our fellow "citizens" (of the New Jerusalem). Such hiding will be impossible.

And that reminds me of the vision I had (which I have shared, but quite some time ago), where I was taken into the spirit realm. When I entered, there was a group of spirit beings that immediately came to "minister" to me. As they approached, however, I had a thought (as to their appearance - it was NOT attractive, by THIS world's standards) and although I didn't SAY anything, they all saw/FELT my "thought"... and immediately recoiled. They could NOT touch me... because I had brought something "unclean" into their midst. I knew right away that I was the one who'd brought the "filth" in - that THEY were incapable of doing so, and that just with my THOUGHT, which I didn't even VOICE... I had "soiled" MYSELF, become FILTHY... and they COULDN'T touch me!

I immediately felt shame and remorse: their appearance was ugly, but I am the one who had brought "ugliness" into the area. How could I have done that?? They wanted nothing from ME, but only to give TO me. And I responded to that with "ugliness" by judging their appearance! I felt HORRIBLE and immediately wished I could take my thought back, even turn back time and reenter again WITHOUT such filth (in MY heart).

As soon as I FELT shame, though, WAS remorseful... THEY CAME BACK! They "forgave" me... and began their "ministering" as if I had never had the awful thought in the first place. It was like my "shame" is what "cleansed" me - that I truly felt BAD about what I had done, and would not have done it had I known better, and certainly would not do it AGAIN... and they KNEW this (about me). And so, they were ABLE to now touch me, minister to me.

That event, that vision, taught me that I MUST "check" even my THOUGHTS... to the extent I can do so... in THIS realm, but most CERTAINLY when in the spirit realm! While I might be able to hide them HERE (although I SHOULDN'T [even try to])... I cannot there. No one can... and the shame one feels when one's thoughts are "unclean"... well, I wouldn't wish such a feeling on even my worst enemy. Well, now, that's not true - maybe on my WORST enemy - LOLOLOL! Okay, not even the WORST - LOLOLOL! See? I can't even lie about about THAT! LOLOLOL!

Sorry, just wanted to share (all of) that, as I thought of it in light of the correction my Lord directed me to make.

As always, peace to you, dear lady! Peace to you ALL!

Your servant and a slave of Christ,

Shel


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2014 10:39 am 
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Heya zoe,

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How is it people are still following a religion that has it all wrong every time.....


I'd be most happy to call to ask and go over the points in this thread, especially the card, get it on utube and you can hear an answer/ reply to the question.

Or at least I will try to get an answer or reply to it. You hear it straight from them. Not some active online elder or jw.

Sample call:

"Going straight to bethel with these questions, over the phone, is MY only option now brother, until of course, you book me on your tv show OR install a forum or feedback section! You forgot to mention this little secret tv programming during all other calls, BROTHER BETHEL. Why is that exactly?"

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Yes, I'd really like to hear from somebody in the industry how long it would take to set up a TV news studio from scratch with unlimited free labor around the clock.


That commenter should ask Fearon and his suxers.

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At the start of the video, and throughout the first 7 minutes, they bang on about it was made clear to them by Jehovah that this new video project had his blessing.

How exactly does he doe that? I'd love to hear a more detailed explanation from them.


Yes, yes I'd like to hear an answer to this too. I will add the question/subject on a call and get it on tape so as to hear, FROM THEM, a reply.

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{Moved to related topic}

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I cannot seem to bring the other two posts above the already moved one, over to OUTLAWS thread. They are off topic in zoe's thread. Help please. Thx.

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Wow now you have Lots of material for you to use to ask questions Skally. I haven't seen that they ever give you a straight answer though??


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