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PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2014 7:34 am 
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I thought of you Skally when I saw these posts this morning over on Facebook. Food for thought :-)

A "friend" on Facebook is thinking of sending this letter to her JW parents that shun her:


For those who haven't seen it already, this is the letter I was thinking about sending my parents. It's not very nice, but then, they're not very nice to me.

Dear mom and dad,
just wanted to let you know, "you were right in everything!" Remember when I was 8 years old and we were all standing in the kitchen and dad was telling me I shouldn't complain about going to the meetings or out in service and how I should listen to the Society in everything? Remember that? Well, do you also remember him telling me that if I don't do all those things Jehovah is going to kill me at Armageddon? That you both will be in the new system but I won't be? But not to worry, 8 year old Autumn because "Jehovah will remove all memory of you from our heads", you said, " it will be like you never even existed.

So you see, you really *were* right in everything! I *am* dead to you. Your Jehovah (the Society) has removed me from your life.
The New System has come right on time! Because mom is still happy as ever as an alcoholic and dad is still happy as ever as the leader of a cult! A mother and a father of a child putting an organization ahead of their own children, equating the Watchtower with God! Shameful!

Thanks for everything, mom and dad, you really know how to raise a child. I hear you only speak to 1 out of the 6 children you have! What shining examples of "God's chosen people" you are! And you know what's funny is that you honestly believe that it is your children's fault that you don't have a relationship with them!
You always said when I was younger that you had to keep moving because your children "shamed your name". How delusional and utterly laughable! You had to move because you are both complete and absolute *failures* as parents. And deep down, I think you know that's true.

I thought long and hard about what kind of a letter to send you. A sweet, loving letter to try and touch your heart so that maybe you'll start talking to me again or one that speaks the truth. I went with the latter obviously because trying to touch the heart and talk sense into a couple of brainwashed cult members would be as futile as administering medicine to the dead.

The reason this letter is so angry is because I've realised that if you could treat me like I'm dead because I left the religion you raised me in, then you really never loved me in the first place. I know this now and have accepted it. The question is, can *you* sleep at night knowing the pain you've caused your own child? You should be ashamed of yourselves.

Mom, continue making Jehovah's heart happy by ignoring your daughter who's STILL ALIVE and by drowning in those Rusty Nails every night.

Dad, Jehovah doesn't even come into this when it comes to you. Continue wasting your life serving a group of rich, old men in Crooklyn New York named the almighty Watchtower, Bible and Tract Society and keep waiting for a day that will never. ever. come.
Autumn

Then there was this picture with posts by JW's in Mexico about how cute and wonderful it is that this little toddler is dressed so well with briefcase for going out in Service. UGH!!

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2014 9:33 am 
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Good thread Zoe..

The WBT$ turns People into Heartless,Mindless,Soulless,Walking Corpses..
Whose only purpose in life..
Is to Find Recruits and Serve the WBT$ Beast..

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2014 10:18 am 
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If only they could HEAR their daughter... and "see" what they are doing (mornin' dear Zoe and peace to you!). Sadly, since THEY are the dead ones... they can't and won't. Indeed, the tone of her letter will only push them further into their coma because they won't be able to stand looking at themselves such. Instead, they will turn their ears away... and harden their hearts even further. IF they even bother to read the letter (if Mom gets it first, she will; if Dad, he will toss it).

I wish I could have told dear Autumn that, before she wasted her words (on them). I wish I could have told her that rather than feeling hurt and pain she allowed herself to feel pity (because they are BLIND and in NEED of pity)... rather than feeling anger she could PRAY for them... that perhaps THEN, as a result of HER pity, compassion, and prayer, SHE could save them... have their eyes OPENED and them called OUT...

Then SHE could prove HER love for THEM... in SPITE of their LACK of love for HER.

If only... and I wish...

I wish I could help ALL who have such pain and anger see this.

I wish...

Ah, well... the MOST HOLY One of Israel, JAH of Armies, shows mercy to whomever HE wishes to show it.

Peace, dear lady, and thank you for sharing this!

Your servant and a slave of Christ,

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2014 11:19 am 
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Indeed, the tone of her letter will only push them further into their coma because they won't be able to stand looking at themselves such. Instead, they will turn their ears away... and harden their hearts even further. IF they even bother to read the letter (if Mom gets it first, she will; if Dad, he will toss it).....Shelby

Unfortunately,nothing but full submission to the WBT$ will get a JW Parents attention..
Until your willing to serve the WBT$ Beast,your worst abusers will be your own JW family..
From personal experience I can tell you..
Nothing will change until you agree to sacrifice your life to the WBT$ Beast..

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2014 12:29 pm 
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May you all have today,

And......

YES to, what Dear Shelby shared and YES as to what Dear Outlaw shared....

As long as they continue in their blindness because this what they WANT, it's like the saying, " Your damned if you DO, and your damned if you DONT!"

Sometimes it does not matter the approach we take nothing works.

But in the mean time if we can truly pity these people and pray for these people because of who they are truly worshiping, our prayers could be answered by Jahs mercy softening their hearts in order to heal the blindness. And if not, then WE the ones praying have learned to control and conquer the anger with Christs help, and in the future be able to stand up on their behalf to be able to save them.


It was a very sad but true letter that Many of us can truly relate to!

Love your sister and fellow slave of our Lord Jaheshua MischaJah, Kim


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2014 3:04 pm 
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She didn't send the letter yet, she wrote it and was asking people on Facebook whether they thought it was to harsh. I think it will fall on deaf ears myself.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2014 4:16 pm 
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If the truth is harsh,then so be it..
Candy Coating Truth allows abuses to be dismissed..
A JW parent will excuse their own WBT$ Approved bad behavior and Place the Blame at the Feet of their Children..
Been there done that..

I`m for being brutally honest..
If the parent doesn`t like it,you can be sure they at least heard you..
You may never get another chance to be heard..

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2014 7:25 pm 
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I TOTALLY believe in being honest and giving FULL disclosure (peace to you, all!). I just don't think this particular set of parents will HEAR the truth but that the truth will only make them harden their hearts even more. Should the dear lady send it? Depends on what she wants to accomplish. If she wants to wake them UP... I don't think this will do that; rather, I think it will cause them to pull FURTHER into their WTBTS shells.

Like a teenage girl whose parents tell her they "want her to stop" seeing "that boy." Go about it the wrong way... and they run her right into his arms! If those parents let little girl see the guy... and then is THERE FOR HER when he breaks her heart (and he will break her heart!), they have a much greater chance of WINNING her... AND her gratitude/appreciation.

Same thing, here. Just like that example, when folks go at family still IN the WTBTS in the "wrong" way, they risk running them FURTHER into that harlot's "arms."

They forget: they are dealing with folks with the MENTALITY of teenagers, IF that. Some actually have the mentality of PRE-teens ESPECIALLY if the WTBTS has been their ENTIRE "life." And so, they will respond like teenagers.

And if anyone here has been a teenager... or the parent of a teenager... you KNOW you can't always deal with them from a direction of RATIONALITY. Sometimes, yes. But not when THEY want to do something YOU don't want them to do... or they DON'T want to do something YOU want them to do.

S'all's I'm sayin'. What SHOULD work with "adult" JWs is not just difficult, but almost impossible. Because they are NOT "adult." Indeed, the very term "adult JW" is an oxymoron. While it's true, we're supposed to be LIKE little children... PSYCHOLOGICALLY, most of them ARE little children. Because they've never thought... been ALLOWED to think... and CHOOSE... FOR themselves. Like little children, they have always had OTHERS to think FOR them and TELL them what to do.

Christ does not require us to give up our thinking CAPACITIES; he just wants us to HOLD ON/RETURN to the FAITH... of little children.

Peace to you all!

Your servant and a slave of Christ,

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2014 6:47 am 
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Where is Skally??

Here is another Jehovah's Witness display of conditional love to their child. In this case a 13 year old girl Mother has chastised her daughter with words and threats because she doesn't "love Jehovah" or in other words doesn't want to be forced to be a JW. The daughter lives with the unbeliever Father. The tone of the letter is nothing but threats, no love and like Shelby says it will only turn a person against the religion and Jehovah. Below is a article from JWvictims.org:


Children Earn Their Love?

August 17, 2014 / alexjamesisnotmyrealname


Recently a woman posted a letter on Facebook that her Jehovah’s Witness mother sent to her back when the daughter was only 13 years old. From what I can gather, the daughter was living with her non-JW father at the time. The letter is a stellar example of how emotionally and mentally abusive Jehovah’s Witness parents are to their children, demanding that they actually earn a parent’s love by believing in their god and their religion.

I have permission from the letter’s owner to post it here so you can read it for yourself, in its entirety:

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Let’s First Establish…

I don’t know why the mother was chastising the daughter about rudeness; in all fairness, children do need discipline and reprimanding, and I wouldn’t tolerate certain disrespectful behaviors from a child either.

That being said, let’s note that mom uses about a paragraph or two to chastise the child, and then spends about three and a half pages railing at her about who she is as a person, going on about Jehovah and the threat of dying and not having friends and not being “pretty.” This doesn’t sound like a rational, mature response from a parent whose goal is to encourage her daughter to make good choices in life.

Let’s also remember that the daughter was 13 at the time. Thirteen. The age when children do nothing but act up and act out, and the age when they’re most vulnerable about who they are as a person. Rather than understanding that her daughter was an emotional teen and adjusting her expectations of her daughter accordingly, the mother flies into an uncontrolled rage over her daughter’s “pride” and religious beliefs. I can’t imagine the mother sending this type of letter to an adult under any circumstances, and yet she sends it to a vulnerable, sensitive child?

If Love Isn’t Unconditional, Then It’s Earned?

What I find most interesting however is the statement the mother makes on the first page, where she says, “If you think love should be unconditional, you are wrong.”

Let’s pick apart her statement for a moment to explore what she was really saying about love. If love isn’t unconditional, then it has conditions. If love has conditions, then it’s earned. “You must do these things for me to love you, and not do these other things if you want my love.” That’s called earning something. In this case, the daughter must earn her mother’s love; the mother doesn’t just love her daughter because she’s her daughter, her own flesh and blood, but love is doled out like an allowance. “Did you make your bed? Yes? Then I love you. Do you worship the same god as I do? No? Then I don’t love you.”

Note too that the daughter needed to earn love by not just behaving a certain way, but believing a certain way. The mother talks endlessly about Jehovah and his standards and what he demands and a human’s role in serving him. That’s great, but what if the daughter doesn’t believe in Jehovah in the first place? What if the daughter doesn’t believe in Christianity or religion at all? In those cases it’s perfectly justified for a mother to stop loving her child, and make angry demands in order for the child to be loved again?

If the situation was reversed and someone did this to one of Jehovah’s Witnesses, they would cry “persecution” so loud it would hurt your ears. If a Catholic parent wrote a letter to a JW child and berated them for leaving the Catholic Church and implied they don’t love them anymore, I wouldn’t be surprised if it was printed on the pages of the Watchtower under the heading “Persecuted for Standing Firm” or some other nonsense. However, JWs see nothing wrong with expecting their children to earn their love, and angrily withholding it when that child disagrees with their religion.

You might also consider how this would sound if the letter was written in the context of something other than religion, for example, political beliefs. Imagine a parent writing a long, hateful letter to a 13-year-old and telling her that the Republican or Democratic party was the greatest thing on earth, it’s our purpose on earth to get this party into office, and you’re just an ugly child with too much pride and no friends and I don’t love you for thinking differently. The parent would be labeled abusive and even borderline senile, and rightly so.

Did Mom Actually Threaten the Daughter’s Life?

Notice how mom even points out how her god has killed people in the past and will kill again. She outright says on the last page that the daughter’s pride will kill her. The mother here openly admits that she thinks her daughter being killed is perfectly justified!

Let me repeat one thing. The daughter was 13. Thirteen. A child that age doing something horrific like killing someone else or beating up another child should be held accountable for their actions, but mom here believes the daughter’s “pride” is reason enough for the daughter to be killed. This is just one step away from those parents who do kill their children because they think they’re “possessed by the devil” or it’s the only way the child will get to heaven, or some other religious rambling. The mother may not be threatening the daughter’s life herself, but she has no problem with the fact that her god may very well take the life of her 13-year-old.

Unfortunately this letter is not as rare as you would think from Jehovah’s Witness parents, and my mother has said very similar things to me. I’ve heard things like this said to other JW children, many even younger than 13. Note that Jehovah’s Witnesses do this with the same mouths used to declare how they build strong families and are the happiest, most loving people on earth.

Perhaps Jehovah’s Witnesses need to look up the definition of the word “family,” “happy,” and most importantly, “love,” as they fail miserably to understand all these concepts, as this mother so aptly demonstrates.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2014 10:19 am 
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~sips coffee~

Hey zoe, it's got sKally's SOAA [seal of Apostate Approval] I'd absolutely send that. I've even thought of plagerism!! just sign my name to it...it's brilliant. gets right to the Kore. I like Kore issues.

i'm right in the middle of the thread...i only stopped right where i saw 'where's skally' to say ...i'm here, reading....but before i finish reading the thread....

shelby, i'm shaking my head in amusement at your thought process on this issue of just how someone else is to deal with their own life experiences....that we are to pity our abusers, see them as pitiful/persecuted...that WE are to treat them with something they WILLINGLY CHOOSE TO DEPRIVE US OF EVERY DAY SINCE THEY JOINED HANDS WITH THIS FRAUDULENT RELIGIOUS SCAM, THAT TAUGHT THEM HOW TO HATE, DECEIVE, DEPRIVE...LESSONS THEY WILLINGLY APPLY...NO MATTER WHAT YHE PRICE IS TO BE PAYED BY THEIR CHILDREN...CHILDREN THEY TURNED AROUND AND TAUGHT THE VERY SAME LESSONS!!! LOOK HOW YOUNG THAT BOY IS IN PHOTO >:) :

//;) If we were off line somewhere, i'd say right to your face how incredibly ________________you are in this thought-mode of yours. But here, i'm restricted at telling you the truth. How ironic is THAT?



ok, now i will go on reading...................

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2014 10:34 am 
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well geez, should i read that letter to PI OR SERVICE OR GENERAL COUNSEL DEPT and tape it on youtube? hahaha, that mother sounds just like thousands of ADULT JW PARENTS....


PITY? THIS KRAP?

Bwahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh the hell! I'm going to read it to my mom and stepdad too. Think he'll cry again?

Taking these issues and postings and letters and such straight to the horses ASS to get their feedback, is what wt does not want on their website. so let's call them and say, well, there's o where to tell you klowns on ur site just how krazy your kult is...such as this jw mom, who writes her THIRTEEN YR OLD DAUGHTER this beautiful letter of nurturing love...then i read the letter and give my feedback............

so zoe, thx for sharing...and tell her to send it!! and tell her i'm going to read this one above, along with other fb postings to bethel and get it up on utube this week. i want beth-hellholes reaction to all this...i'm going to put on my reporter hat 8)

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2014 10:51 am 
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I just don't think this particular set of parents will HEAR the truth but that the truth will only make them harden their hearts even more. Should the dear lady send it? Depends on what she wants to accomplish. If she wants to wake them UP... I don't think this will do that; rather, I think it will cause them to pull FURTHER into their WTBTS shells.


It is transparently clear what she sets out to accomplish. The fact that you cannot Fokus upon It appears transparently as well, your problem. Whew, thank GOD it's not hers. It's a brilliant piece of HER rage. HER wrath. HER pain. HER life lived with such utter insanity...put upon her by such care-less caretakers. If it were me, I'd spritz the letter with the stench of manure! Make it so they Know it comes straight from my heart. They Krapped on my life, so they get to smell what they reaped, right? RIGHT!

It's not about them HEARING the truth shelby. It's soley, spiritually about this persons ability to SPEAK HER TRUTH. Not what they NEED TO HEAR..IT'S ABOUT WHAT SHE/ I NEED TO SAY. AaT THIS POINT, WE AREN'T LOOKING TO RE-UNITE WITH THEM. WE WANT THEM TO HEAR THE TRUTH ABOUT THE PAIN THEY WILLINGLY INFLICTED AND THE NATURAL LOVE THEY WILLINGLY DEPRIVED US OF...ALL FOR THIS JEHOVAH GOD CHARACTER...".IT'S AN ABOMINATION. AN OUTRAGE".

How much further up the wt's shell is there to go at their ages? hahahaha....those shells stink too....i guess they all start to love the smell of krap! THAT MUST BE IT! LOL

So go ahead and pity these abusive people all you care to. i guess it's what you must do, as a sign of ur own obedience to ur own jehovah-like type god, jesus-like or whatever-like it may be. as for me, pity is not an option when dealing with a lethal kult that has obedient followers...as is seen by this letter from one of their WILLING FOLLOWERS. Shame on her. >:)

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2014 10:54 am 
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I thought you would appreciate me sharing these things with you Skally. The more exposure there is to the damage this religion does the better.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2014 11:01 am 
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I agrre zoe. And it's easy to spread this persons story and the letter you posted too. It's very simple to just post this letter on all social media outlets. CIRCULATE. CIRCULATE. CIRCULATE.

It's equally as easy to bookmark the letter and this persons story and call bethel or local kh elders and give feedback and ask questions...get in their faces on the issue of such repulsive behavior by jw parents.

Approach the issue if jw knock at your door...have that letter ready to read...ask them if it's something a jw parent WOULD write to their young child,,,,get the ball rolling on the topic. and mention too that u would have posted about it on jw.org but theres no features to do so.....

please tell that fb community to not be afraid to sed letters like this...the are real raw and needed. pity is not what is needed. JWS LOVE PITY PARTIES. MY MOM CATERED THE MANY OF THEM! >:)

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2014 11:13 am 
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Ahhhh sKally,sKally,sKally..

The Jesus People have a different take on this than you and I..
I sometimes find them Kind to a Fault..They`re nicer than whats healthy for them..
While we may not agree with them,we have to allow for some difference of opinion..
It`s unlikely you and I will change,I doubt they will either..

The good news is..
They see the problem,only they have a different approach to it..
We all want the problem solved,that gives us all common ground..
Common ground is good among allies,when your fighting Absolute Evil..
The WBT$ "IS" Absolutely Evil..

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