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PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2014 12:16 pm 
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OUTLAW, please, get your dancin' hillbilly ready to post doll!!

http://yle.fi/uutiset/jehovahs_witnesse ... al/7244267

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News 16.5.2014 7:00 | updated 16.5.2014 17:10

On Friday Finland's Jehovah's Witnesses will give their religious rule book to the Minister of Justice and the Minister of the Interior so that it can be inspected to ensure that it's in line with Finnish rule of law.

Jehovah's Witnesses will hand over their secret rule book to the Minister of Justice, Anna-Maja Henriksson, and the Minister of the Interior, Päivi Räsänen. Image: Heikki Saukkomaa / Lehtikuva
Until now, only senior members of the Jehovah’s Witnesses Committee have had access to the congregation's secret book of rules.

The disciplinary activities of the Jehovah's Witnesses Committee have been criticised for violating human rights.

According to Anna-Maja Henriksson, Finland's Minister of Justice, the purpose of the handover is to examine the book and determine whether its rules and regulations run counter to Finnish law.

Henriksson and Interior Minister Päivi Räsänen met on Thursday with the leadership of the Jehovah's Witnesses in Helsinki. The book will be handed over on Friday for inspection.

According to representatives of the Jehovah's Witnesses, committee practices have been changed recently and the committee no longer addresses or interferes in the matters of its members that are considered to go against church guidelines.

Sources Yle
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At first when I saw this posted 6 hours ago elsewhere, I thought it a hoax or someones grand delusion.

Then I did what I always do when I have a question about anything wt anymore: I called general counsel. (This is probably between my 10th and 15th call now on various items of merit.)

Hello, this is me again and I surely recognize your voice as the gentleman who has placed me on hold for several of my calls, in order to summons the man I've been speaking to since I started my calls several months ago....it is appreciated. I'm quite positive you recall who I am. {i gave him no room to reply} I went right into the target of my call....this EPIC DAY of OUTSIDERS ACTUALLY BEING ABLE TO READ THIS DEATH INSANE BOOK OF MANIFESTATION OF LETHAL POLICIES AND THE FOSTERING OF HATE, AS AN "ORGANIZED RELIGION".

Before he could put me on hold:

Are you aware of the news release that Finlands Minister of Justice has ordered the organization there to TURN OVER THE ELDERS MANUEL? I did not believe it myself when I first saw this right now sir. In fact, I was not even going to log in today yet did and this was the first item I laid my eyes on. I had to check it out for myself, via WTBTS so that is why I'm calling, today. IS THIS STORY TRUE?

Ha! He didn't even say, please hold, he just put the music on, to my relief. So about two mins go by and THE GUY gets on:

we will not be able to take THIS call TODAY maam. it is not a subject we are going to get into over the phone.

well, i say, sir, this is serious and i'm looking for serious feedback from wt directly on this subject. YOU ARE WELL AWARE THAT THIS IS NOT THE BEST THING THAT COULD BE HAPPENING RIGHT NOW. BUT IT IS THE BEST DAY IN MANY LIVES THAT YOUR ORG HAS RUINED BY THESE SECRET POLICIES THE WORLD WILL NOW BE ABLE TO [[ W I T N E S S ]]. IT STARTS WITH FINLAND.

This time, I HUNG UP WITH A SLIGHT CHUCKLES OF LAUGHTER SAYING: NO ONE HAS WAITED FOR A DAY LIKE THIS, MORE THAN ME SIR. YOUR ORG IS ABOUT TO SUFFER SERIOUS DAMAGE. YOUR SECRET BOOKS WILL BE REVEALED. YOU WILL ANSWER FEEDBACK SIR. YOU WILL HAVE NO MORE OF A CHOICE NOT TO. BYE.

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So wow, this is what a group that sets out to really nail the Krux of it all ACCOMPLISHED!

B R A V O ! !

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PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2014 12:31 pm 
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Interesting article, and all the ones that preceded this action, linked on the same page. I wonder what will come of it.


Peace to you, sKally, and thanks for pointing this out.
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oh yes, and i 4got to mention that when i said becuz i wanted feedback....he said we do not provide feedback....i said.....well, you better get prepared to do so....finland had better have answers for its inquisitors and interrogators when they start probing the deeper policies you write as COMING FROM GOD. GOOD LUCK WITH THAT SIR! you may not provide a place on your site for feedback on these issues of life and death that you write and govern by....but look at finland...IT IS NOT STOPPING THEM FROM DOING AN INVESTIGATION INTO WTBTS POLICIES OF DEATH AND HATE.

I could swear I was talking to johnny the bethelite at one point! ::))

its a funny thought to think that they would go get him, put him on the phone with me to see if i was the one who calls sixscreens as skally and if i was the same voice that called bethel and basically told them all about him and the utube tapes going back to the beginning of his 'stint' as an informant of sorts.

anyhoot, what a great item to feast on today, eh? FINLAND IS ABOUT TO GIVE WT THE SMACKDOWN. AND IT IS A WO-M A N !! O- I'd pay to see this in person. ::))

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PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2014 12:38 pm 
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http://schoenbachlaw.us/?cat=1081

THAT IS POSTED ON AN ATTORNYS SITE.

THIS IS THE NEWS ARTICLE {gen counsel tried the "we dont put stock in stuff from the internet...i said, it is a legit news corp sir, that phrase you all are trained to speak when confronted with any evidence, is getting old sir....it isn't going to work much longer}:

http://www.finnbay.com/finland-invites- ... in-the-eu/

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The discussion will be held informally in the University of Helsinki on 28 April 2014 at 14.15-16.15.

The participants are the French Minister of Justice Christiane Taubira, the Greek Minister of Justice Charalampos Athanassiou, the Swedish Minister of Justice Beatrice Ask, the Dutch Minister of Justice Ivo Opstelten, the Danish Minister of Justice Karen Hækkerup, the Latvian Minister of Justice Baiba Broka, the Estonian Minister of Justice Andres Anvelt, and the Lithuanian Vice Minister of Justice Paulius Griciūnas.

The Finnish government notes, “The objective is to decide on new strategic guidelines for the European area of justice in the meeting of the EU Heads of States to be held in June. Corruption and doubts about the commitment of all the states to the common values are factors that weaken the mutual trust.”

Also Read: Finland Only Inactive Country in EU on Implementing Hotline for Missing Children

The government will allow the public to only follow the discussion in the afternoon, when the future of the European area of justice, fundamental rights and the rule of law as well as anti-corruption activities will be discussed.

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Now, the reason you do not submit only the UUT article is because of the very FACT that, as I mentioned above, WTBTS will pull the "we do not....from the internet....".

Always go and fetch the NEWS ARTICLE and make sure it is a legit corp.

This way, as I told the man, you will have to answer these reporters, as they are the ones who PUBLISHED the item. You cannot simply answer by saying that they must write to you.

So we will see how this all develops.

Can you imagine them reading one WITH NOTES? I'd love a bunch of ex elders , who managed to hold onto theirs... i do know of one...i read it!! i saw all his notes!!...to send theirs into her; with the notes. OUTLAW...PLEASE POST THIS IDEA...AS JUST AN IDEA...FOOD 4THOUGHT.... FOR ME ELSEWHERE. THANK YOU. It could be a great asset.

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Oh man, i see where people are getting carried away with wanting her to see the ones with notes. Perhaps my idea is not a good one in retrospect.

I DON'T WANT ANYTHING TO MESS THIS UP!!

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Okay, on the threads elsewhere, a poster is telling people to contact this woman through an attornys office out of NY....:

http://schoenbachlaw.us/?cat=1081 [ AND I TOO POSTED IT IN THIS THREAD ]

I called them. Explained my business in doing so. And the receptionist actually gave me the attorneys cell. He said: I do not know who this woman is and the post on my site was most likely one of my staff posting an 'item of interest'.

I realized this was a dead end and said pardon me sir, thank you for your time. Good day.

SO OUTLAW, PLEASE TELL PEOPLE NOT TO CALL OR EMAIL THAT ATTORNEYS OFFICE, AT ALL.

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it seems wt has shut down dallywally utube channel.....and gave mike/kim a warning from wt...

these people, whom i think did a great series here on the manuel:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjwppH_PFf0

this is actually great work DONE!

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I dunno, dear Skalls (peace to you, luv! ). I'm not so sure it's her time just yet. Also, I think that without the notes the content is designed to be "open to interpretation," and given the WTBTS wolves intent and penchant for lying, a lot can be justified away. With notes... well, unless they obtain more than one copy, from unrelated/different sources, but with the same or similar entries, the claim could be made that such were the individual thoughts/perceptions of the individual who owned the book.

Not to be a Debbie Downer or rain on your hopes but just putting some potential reality out there. The law almost always isn't what folks think it is/should be, perhaps even in Finland. The argument will be "human rights"... as seen by SOME ... versus freedom of religion, as seen by way many more.

Personally, while I know shunning goes against what my Lord taught, the argument COULD be made that HE told his followers to shun, based on Matthew 18:18. That's inaccurate, of course, but folks most often inaccurately interpret his teachings. And TRUE freedom of religion pretty much allows for whatever interpretation the leadership of a given religion chooses to use.

I found it interesting that the article didn't mention child abuse, though, which IS a violation of human rights against which there is NO valid argument. Whether such abuse is physical, mental, emotional, psychological, what have you, it's still criminal... and THAT is rampant in that organization. It is literally fomented, their propaganda that they're showing love to their children be damned.

What they do to their children is NOT love. Indeed, many JWS children believe their parents actually hate them! As we can see by the devastating results of the (very stunted OR, contrastly, excessive) self-esteem (issues) of ADULTS who were raised as JWs, if not their own words about it, LOVE is usually not something they (felt/believe) they received while growing up. True, many non -JWs children grow up in similar situations but I'd be willing to bet there's an overwhelmingly higher ratio among JWs.

I hope, then, if the Finnish is government does look into the matter it is to expose THESE crimes, those perpetuated against the CHILDREN and not just take issue with the exclusive contents of a anti-christian religious book that allows them to hold sway over adults who CHOOSE to be a part of them... or can't handle the consequences when they CHOOSE to no longer be.

Because a book can be changed. Contents can be edited, newer more secret books can be published... books can be banned/no longer used. But a certain mindset... and particularly one so insidious as the most common JW thinking on raising children ... based on the unspoken but propagandic CONTROL needs of the WTBTS... THAT needs to be looked at. Seriously... and soon.

And she is only one harlots daughter of the even greater Harlot.

But who knows? Could be time has come for those who shared in this particular harlot's sins to receive part of her plagues. I don't think so, not based on exposure of the contents of the Flock Book, but i could be wrong. Just see a freedom of religion fight coming of that, though.

Regardless, thanks for sharing this.

Peace to you!

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@s-Kally - So you called the WT headquarters, is that what General Consul is? OMG they must hae you LOL


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I DON'T WANT ANYTHING TO MESS THIS UP!!



Maybe it will help, Skally, to know that she WILL be destroyed. Perhaps not at this time or from this instance. But she (in one form or another, as the wts or another 'daughter' of BTG) will not mislead and hurt people forever. Christ said that her end would come, and so it will come, at the appointed time. So I have no doubts on that point at all. I KNOW that "she" will come to her end, along with all the others who are part of BTG.

Maybe it would help to take away the fear/worry if you (or others) could also place your full faith in this truth that Christ taught. Doesn't mean that we do not stop working so as to speak the truth that we know about her from experience and to speak the truth that Christ has taught us about 'her' (and anything else) so that others may also see and choose to listen, for them and their children, and:

"Come out of her, my people!"

But she will come to her end, sKally. Nothing you do or do not do will mess that up.


Peace to you as always, and may you be given ears to hear if you wish them, so as to hear the Spirit and the Bride say to you, "COME!" And whoever is thirsty and whoever wishes, let him come and take the free gift of the water of life!

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Hey tammy,

Thx for your feedback. It is appreciated, and duly noted.

What I mean though, on a deeper level, is when you have people putting up links as a direct contact to someone of this authority, if you will, and implore them to go ahead and do so, without verifying that this person is even affliated with this office. And that office then becomes overwhelmed with inquiries about how one may speak to this person....it can MESS/DAMAGE things to a degree where the person of authority, or of being in a position of actually being able to succeed in getting ANTHING OF MERIT accomplished, will turn their attentions elsewhere.

Even having that as a potential risk, quite frankly, makes me very nervous.

As soon as the link was put up, i called the office and told them the business of such call and was able to verify this IS NOT A LINK WHERE YOU CAN DIRECTLY GET IN TOUCH WITH HER..IT ONLY HAS THE ARTICLE THAT [ SOMEONE POSTED] ON THEIR SITE.

So when i got that verified I thought, oh man, that office is going to get all sorts of mail and calls asking to speak to her...but the attorney there did not even know of who i was speaking.

hope that helps.

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http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/05/will-they-also-check-the-quran-jehovahs-witnesses-book-inspected-in-finland

Will they also check the Quran? Jehovah’s Witnesses book inspected in Finland

Nicolai Sennels May 23, 2014 at 9:35am
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The fact that a Western country is inspecting religious books for being in line with democratic laws is a major breakthrough. We should all forward this example to relevant politicians in our country and ask them to check the Quran as well. I sent this letter to the editor today (you are welcome to use it):

Finland is going to examine whether a book by Jehovah’s Witnesses is in line with Finnish rule of law. I suggest that Finland and all other Western countries do the same with the Quran. Or do they not dare to?

From Yle:

On Friday, Finland’s Jehovah’s Witnesses will give their religious rule book to the Minister of Justice and the Minister of the Interior so that it can be inspected to ensure that it’s in line with Finnish rule of law.



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