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PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2014 9:00 am 
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http://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/w20140815/jesus-sadducees-marriage-after-resurrection/

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Jesus told the Sadducees that resurrected ones “neither marry nor are given in marriage.” (Luke 20:34-36) Was he talking about the earthly resurrection?


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For years, our publications have said that Jesus’ words about the resurrection and getting married likely refer to the earthly resurrection and that those resurrected to life in the new world will evidently not marry. * (Matt. 22:29, 30; Mark 12:24, 25; Luke 20:34-36) While we cannot be dogmatic, is it possible that Jesus’ words refer to the heavenly resurrection? Let us examine what Jesus said.
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Ok, I have one comment about this. If Christ wanted his followers to understand that there would be TWO DIFFERENT RESURRECTIONS, why would he not have CLEARLY STATED SO??? His answer is pretty darned clear. No. Hello? WTBTS? Why do you people try to confound the teachings of Christ?

And, by "two different resurrections", I don't mean the first and the second... I mean one to heaven and one to earth. He said, singular, "in THE resurrection". Both Greek words for "the" and "resurrection" are in the singular form.


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PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2014 10:22 am 
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Yes I agree dear LQ ..( Good Morning)

They seem to be having some problems with this poor generation of couples who were told they would "never die" as Armageddon was surely coming before they grew old. Now they are losing loved ones and partners for life. And it realllly bothers them that they cannot have the opportunity to be with them again in the resurrection. ( even of they choose to wanna remarry)

They always taught our whole lives that since death does dissolve the marriage and according to the verse they use " in the resurrection they would be as angels. ( in that they do not marry)
That was it! We all knew this to be Truth from the so called faithful slave who is given this by Holy Spirit whom we loyally followed and didn't disagree with.

BUT....they are changing their minds. OOPS!!! :8O They are in a heap of trouble with these poor people who are not wanting to buy this stupid idea they teach.

So NOW they are "NOT SURE" what resurrection CHRIST was referring to... ( which is so stupid, of course they do)

Their famous saying, " Wait on Jehovah and we will see but do not worry Jehovah's people WILL BE happy there regardless."

So once again their false prophecies as false prophets changing their light. ( which is really darkness)

And once again Jehovah doesn't know what he's taking about? Did they teach this initially by Holy Spirit? So now what?? :8O

The foundation they stand upon is crumbling......

Peace and love to you ALL,
Kim


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PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2014 11:28 am 
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Unfortunately, due to their not understanding EITHER resurrection, dear LQ (peace to you!), they've created confusion and a problem for themselves. Thing is, it doesn't matter WHICH resurrection: as dear 'Mom (peace,, luv!) shared... death severs the marriage bond. Hence, regardless of WHICH resurrection one is a part of, their FLESHLY marriage bond is severed. Why? Because in order to BE resurrected... one would have had to die!

What of those who do not die but are changed? Same thng: they become "like the angels". What does that mean? It means they become SPIRITS. And other than JAH and Christ, SPIRITS don't marry/take mates. Why? Because THEY ARE COMPLETE... in an of themselves! They don't have part of them separated so as to create a companion. Only flesh with its blood needs that.

JAH and Christ took/had "wives" purely out of love and not for the purpose of creating NEW beings (as was the command to man - "Be FRUITFUL and MULTIPLY"). Humans need other humans to do that. Not the actual body, per se, but the "seed" of one another. Christ was given a wife, those the Father give to him. JAH, however, is complete. His "wives" (the spirit realm, "Sarah" or Jerusalem Above; the physical realm, "Hagar" or the "earth" (which includes the entire physical universe; and Israel, the seed of Abraham)... all came OUT of Him and so ARE Him. As Eve came out of Adham and so WAS Adham ("bone of my bone, flesh of my flesh").

Although all who participate in the FIRST resurrection become spirits, not all who are part of the second (general) one do. Some are resurrected to life, yes, and thus are given "white robes" (spirit bodies); however, some are resurrected to judgment (and so condemnation) and thus undergo the "second death", destruction in the Lake of Fire (Gehenna).

In their attempts to usurp the One who IS the Truth and Word of God, the WTBTS has shown themselves to be a significant part of that beast the number of whose name is "666." They completely teach a partial to totally flawed "truth" and so fall short of the "perfection" they claim to possess (in their teachings). They deny that claim, of course, with caveats such as "likely", and "evidently," etc. However, their utter failure to listen to, teach the teachings of, and glorify the One who IS the Truth and Word of God leaves them their error. As Christ said to those before them, "Because you SAY you see, your sin REMAINS."

If they had condescended to recognize and glorify that One, indeed KISS the One they often sing about kissing ("Kiss the Son, lest God be angry, and ye perish in the way"...), they would know ALL things so as to be able to teach the TRUTH.

Why they are able to teach this particular falsehood... well, the confusion surrounding it... and why their members are so inclined to buy it... is because of some's having MORE desire/love for their mates than for JAH and Christ... and so, more love and desire for their marriage. Not that one should NOT desire/love one's mate... or commit for life. It's just when one puts one's mate/marriage OVER JAH and Christ that the error occurs. And we have examples such as Jezebel and Ahab, Ananias and Sapphira, David and Bathsheba, and Solomon and his plethora of wives to help us see that. On the other hand, we have examples such as Job and his wife, Abigail and Nabal, and others.

We MUST love our spouses, yes, AS we love ourselves. But if we're not to love ourselves MORE than we love JAH and Christ, then we can't love our dear spouses more, either. Unfortunately, most have their minds on THIS world, and the things in IT, including spouses. Some to the extent that they will do ANYTHNG for that spouse. Kidnap and harbor children for abuse... murder... even blasphemy.

If we love JAH... with our WHOLE heart, mind, soul (being), and strength, then everyone else, including our spouse, will come AFTER. However, we cannot be LOVING JAH... if we mistreat or dishonor that spouse. Loving our spouse, however, doesn't mean joying them in error. It means warning them, if we can, and helping them, if we can, NOT to err. And forgiving them when they do... just as we want them to forgive us when WE do. If, though, we want them to join US in error (think, Ananias and Sapphira), then we don't TRULY love THEM. And if we are afraid to stand our ground and NOT err with them... then we have to consider WHY we are afraid.

Because perfect love casts ALL fear... outside.

The WTBTS, however, doesn't know love. Of God, Christ... or fellowman. So, they cannot teach as to such. They DO know fear, however... which is why THAT is the true "foundation" of their teachings.

The MOST HOLY One of Israel, JAH of Armies, however, doesn't arbitrarily break up families. THAT would be UNLOVING. True, some families will be broken, but that will be due to literal CHOICE of the individual members OF such families. Otherwise, when He blesses someone, He blesses THE ENTIRE HOUSEHOLD. Spouses, children, parents, siblings... even other relatives... even friends.

And so, there is nothing TO fear. If YOU belong to the Body of Christ... or are blessed for having done good to one of such ones... your HOUSEHOLD is blessed, as well. True, one might not "belong" to one's spouse [in marriage] in the NEW Jerusalem, BUT... such loved on will be there! And isn't THAT the desire we should want... if we TRULY love such one: that they are THERE, even if not bound to US?

I hope this helps, dear ones!

As always, peace to you!

YSSFS of Christ,

Shellamar


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PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2014 12:05 pm 
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And isn't THAT the desire we should want... if we TRULY love such one: that they are THERE, even if not bound to US?


Yes, and amen to all that you wrote in your post!


Peace to you,
your sister and servant, and fellow slave of Christ,
tammy


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PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2014 12:13 pm 
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Oops, there should have been a "joining" in there, not a "joying"... and "loved one" versus "loved on".

Sorry!


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That typo was easier to figure out, lol.


Peace!


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PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2014 12:47 pm 
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All that aside, I do love making sweet love to my wife.
Hope death doesn't change that too much !
LOL !


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Oh, you'll still be able to make sweet love to your dear wife, dear P (peace to YOU... luv!). You'll actually be able to make sweet love to EVERYONE! Indeed, that will be your PURPOSE. It will be EVERYONE'S purpose. It's just that you will do it with your mind/spirit... and so in the most "CLEAN" way... and not a body "part" (and in a manner where no fluids are exchanged, no seed is spilled, no shower/bath is needed (before OR after), etc.). It will be PURE... UNADULTERATED love... luv.

AND... it won't be limited to your dear wife... or one woman... or even women. Even females. God will be ALL things in ALL... and so... so will love! Because God IS love. And so... by means of God being IN them... ALL will be love... and all that is DONE... will be (in) love. And VERY sweet love, at that!

And oh yeah, yessir, it will "feel" even BETTER than "love" through the flesh. A ga-jillion times better! Because there will be NO part of YOU... that doesn't FEEL that love. It will not just be limited to the physical part of us... but encompass both the (spirit) body... AND the (spirit) mind.

Shoot, why do you think those young Muslims are SO eager to blow themselves up for sex with "72 virgins"?? Although they haven't been taught accurately, there is SOME truth in that hope, luv! LOLOLOL! Remember, at least 144,000 of those who belong to Christ... are "virgins"!

I TRULY hope THAT helps! And I'm not being facetious here, at all!

Peace to you... luv!

YSSFS of Christ,

Shel


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no shower/bath is needed (before OR after), etc.
:8O

YET IS MOST WELCOMED IN A MOST MANDATORY WAY.

it's the etc though, that caught my Eye/I.

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Yeah, well, can be a lot of that... etc.... depending on who you are/what yer habits/likes are, luv. Or... can be none, too. Depends. (Okay, now THAT should be eyecatchin' - LOLOL!)

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::)) IT is!! ::))

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PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2014 4:55 pm 
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JESUS IS A LIAR!-according to the b******t of the WT.
Not only because the verse speaks about THE resurrection which includes both resurrections.
Also we have to accept the FACT that all those people mentioned in the story should be of the anointed to have a heavenly resurrection. Quite unlikely considering the population of Israel.


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