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Well, Paul, but how can you judge? Remember, God so loved the world that he gave his only Son for us, to die for us, to conquer death. That we...all of us. Threw whole world, might live.

You. Just can't make such a sweeping generalisation. You do not know that.

Agreed and yes, that was a generalization.
That said, I don't know how one can NOT show Love and still profess to KNOW God...
I am sure they know OF God and even have knowledge of God but to KNOW God is to KNOW Christ and to KNOW means to be filled with the HS, so...you see where I am going with this right?

The only one who doesn't... but should... is you, dear Char (peace to you!).



Au contrare... but you obviously haven't read Moses, the Prophets, the Psalms... Paul... James... Peter... Jude... or John...



WHO tells us, dear Char... and where/how? PLEASE... don't just SAY it: give the backup, girl! Who told YOU... when... and HOW?



Well, of course, they do, dear Char. NOW. Because NOW you have something in common: me. The one who you folks have made your common enemy. WE are heralding CHRIST... to you AND them. YOU (and them) are heralding ME. WHY? Why am I even the topic of your conversations... rather than Christ? Haven't you folks truly ANYTHING better to discuss than me? Surely you do! Who am I that you even waste your dear time [i]discussing[/i]??

I can't imagine spending more than perhaps moment of my day discussing individual people I don't have much regard for. For one, it would probably amount to gossip. Two, it doesn't demonstrate forgiveness or mercy. Three, it certainly doesn't indicate hope.



Well, then, were is our error and why do you take offense? We are only saying what is TRUE, as YOU acknowledge!



Dear Char... I have never said I follow "Jesus." Ever. I never told you that. So how to you blame ME for you following... ME? Second, how can you say you "found out different," when following "Jesus" was never something I claimed? YOU thought I followed someone I don't - whose fault is THAT?



Yet, there are no problems between them and me... or us. So what does that tell you? I/we don't have a problem with folks who follow "Jesus." We don't have problem with ANY person. We just don't sit back and let those who have a problem with US push their lies. TO us or ABOUT us. Not HERE. Elsewhere, folks can say what they wish. We don't run around the Internet forcing our beliefs on people. We put it out there... whether folks hear or refrain. But we don't go to atheist, Catholic, RCC, WTBTS, or other sites saying, "Hey, folks, you MUST believe as WE believe!" Where we DO go... and particularly HERE, we simply say, "Here is what WE have heard/believe/understand...". Period. Take it or leave it.

Now, some will oppose and say, "NO, you did NOT hear that!" or "We don't AGREE with what you heard/believe/understand." Even get snarky, if not abusive with it. When we counter... and not only call them on it but show where "in writing" their position is the error... well, of course, we're the bad guys, the charlatans, the tricksters. Of course. Even when such opposers cannot... for the LIFE of them... provide backup or support for THEIR positions and opposition.



For it to be enough, I only need one to be convinced, dear Char. Me. Same you apparently only need yourself to be convinced that it is you who is attacked. You hypocrisy, however, won't let you SEE that. Even so, I am not the one who needs large numbers of people to agree with me to consider something true. For that, again, I only need two: JAH and His Christ. Indeed, let JAH be found true... though EVERY man a liar.



Char... please... HEAR me... when I say that such words are USELESS, dear one. I DON'T CARE what such "others see". They OPINIONS don't matter to ME. Why? Because, like you, they are not concerned with TRUTH. Because if they WERE, they would not have only seen, but acknowledged to YOU... that it was YOU who attacked (dear Loz, then tec. then me, now 'Mom - peace to you all!)... YOU who brought up the "good" of the RCC (which we have only countered)... that (some of them) have NO MORE REGARD FOR YOU... than they do for US... but are only cowtowing to YOU due to the commonality of me/us as enemies... that they are cowards who only want to be agreed with... and so will sell their own souls to be ageeABLE... but haven't the eyes to see TRUTH... or cahones to stand up for it when they do... gives me absolutely NO reason to BE concerned as to what they "see." They are of no concern to me, luv, nor is what they see as to ME. Truly. BELIEVE that. Please!



To me, no. To you? Seems that it does. Particularly if it agrees with you/your position... and certainly if it doesn't. When one stands on Christ, the Rock, though, what others think or say, agree or disagree with... truly does NOT matter. Only what HE says matters, dear one. ONLY.



WHAT FACTS???!!!!! GIVE a fact, for once... and MAYBE we can find some common ground. Until then... nothing... for either of us... you OR me... to stand ON! It's all smoke, mirrors, air, conjecture, speculation, opinion, rhetoric, propaganda... and falsehood. NO truth, whatsoever!



No, you don't. Because you don't KNOW chapter OR verse. The one or two times you TRIED... you were wrong. As to the chapter/verse... and what such meant/pertained to. Sadly, I am sure that even those who now befriend you can see that (although, perhaps their blindness prevents it). That they don't love you enough to TELL you that... but continue to "snicker" at you behind your back... speaks volumes as to them. They don't care, though, dear one... so long as you and they are together in opposing me/us. That is their ONLY commonality with you. And if that's the kind of friends you need, those whose love is hidden... rather than those who TRULY love you... enough to give you an open rebuke when you're WRONG... then so be it. It's the inherent nature of man... to love those who oppress, burden, ridicule, and mislead them... under the guise of "love"... so no surprise. You are what you are: earthling man (versus spirit man), so...



Actually, I don't. My Lord, the HOLY ONE of Israel and Holy Spirit, JAHESHUA, the Chosen One of JAH (MischaJah) absolutely knows it, though, as it contains much that either bears witness ABOUT him, TO him... or is a record of what he said. Since by means of HIS spirit one can be led into ALL truth, listening to him as to what HE says it says... means... teaches... would seem a wise thing to do. IF one must rely on/use it.



I don't need it, luv. YOU do. Remember, the written is for UNbelievers. BELIEVERS... have holy spirit. I am a believer.

I hope this helps... although, I'm not all that optimistic, yet. One day, though, may JAH will!

My wish for peace for you remains, dear Char.

A slave of Christ,

Shellamar

May I expound on this, dear P (peace to you!)? Thanks! I think there are many who would disagree with you (although I would disagree with them)... because they believe they know love... even though they don't know... or even want to know God. Indeed, they deny Him (not all; some. Many.). If what you state is TRUE, can they, then, claim they truly know love... yet not know God?

What I have come to understand is this: in order to know God, one must FIRST... know Christ... because no one knows God BUT Christ... and so no one can know God except THROUGH Christ. And that once one comes to know CHRIST, and then, through him, God... THEN one can come to know love.

But, like peace, such love is not in the way the world knows or gives it. The world is fond of what is its own. And so it cares for and greets its own (which can include strangers, yes). The world, however, rarely loves its enemies. While some will, on an abstract level, love their enemies (say, during times of war), many of these cannot forgive those they consider enemies on a more intimate level (say, a fleshly family member who they perceive as having done them a wrong).

The thing is that, again as with peace... most folks think the human perception of love is the same that of God. It is NOT. Christ said:

"I leave you MY peace... NOT in the way the world gives it."

The same is with regard to love. God so love the world... which world HAS CONSTITUTED ITSELF HIS ENEMY... that in spite of its LACK of love for HIM... He STILL gave His Son to SAVE it. Most of mankind wouldn't do that. While they may not bear illwill against an enemy that rejects them... they would NOT give... in a sacrifice that called for DEATH... their ONLY child by their beloved wife/husband... to SAVE such folks! They would give such for their FRIENDS and LOVED ones, yes... but not their enemies!

The thing is, so many opine as to what God "would/would not do"... yet, unless they know CHRIST... they truly have NO idea. Because, again, no one can KNOW God... except THROUGH Christ. But they don't know Christ, either. They know a little OF Christ... and a bit ABOUT Christ... but they don't know HIM... personally.

And they certainly don't know him... if they can't even bring themselves to believe he speaks. Such ones, while proclaiming him alive and resurrected from the dead are truly only rendering him YET dead. Because it is the dead... that do not speak.

Love does not always agree, dear one. Indeed, love... as personified in Christ, who is the exact IMAGE of God... often brings a sword... and so disrupts peace.

I hope this helps and, again, peace to you!

YSSFS of Christ,

Shellamar

The world has constituted itself his enemy, Shelby? (That's a JW understanding too, I met that in the Kingdom Hall.) so, you'd agree with the JW's that the world is bad? After all, they frequently speak or spiritual ones and worldly people, don't they? Sounds like you agree with that.

Hang on a minute...didn't God create the world? He did...see Genesis. So God created a bad world?

Shelby, just reading back up the page to what you wrote while I was offline just now. You've written that the only one who doesn't believe you is me.

Seriously? You seriously believe that? Wow, Shelby, you've lost touch with reality.

Anything to oppose Shelby, right? Never mind the truth, right?

God created GOOD.

The decisions man made... allowed sin and death to enter, creating what we have NOW.

Surely you know this.

There is bad in the world... surely you do not think that God created bad?


Even if you do not know these things... you do know Christ's own words, right?

"If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you."



So who are you listening to, if you do not even believe Him?


Peace,
tammy

Or what about James, brother of Christ?

You adulterous people, don't you know that friendship with the world is hatred toward god? Anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God.




Peace,
tammy

Unfortunately, dear Char (peace!) has proven time and time again, that she doesn't, dear tec (peace, luv!)... which is why we even have these often tiresome discussions. If she DID know... all of our backs and forths would be moot... and we wouldn't continually be rehashing elementary things, at least not with her. That she won't even condescend to CONSIDER them... is saddening. She thinks no one hear has really looked into the RCC... although she wants us to believe she has vast knowledge of the WTBTS (which her comments often prove is not the case, at all).

If she could ALLOW herself to put aside her misplaced loyalty... and just CONSIDER... as she once did (but stopped, because her side wasn't taken when she took issue with another's faith, but had the hypocrisy pointed out to her, which trust she was unable to bear... which is why I often BEG her to check her heart!)... she MIGHT not just learn of these things... but even HEAR from... FROM our dear Lord... FOR HERSELF.

I can only surmise that she doesn't WANT to hear. And if that's the case, she won't... but will continue throwing out these feeble "hail Mary's" (no pun intended).

It's very sad to watch, sometimes... and I often consider just ignoring... but I am very fond of dear Char... because I once had a glimpse of the lady behind the misplaced loyalty and rhetoric. I believe she's still there... and so I'm glad she's still HERE. Truly. Love... never fails.

Peace, my sister!

YSSFS of Christ,

Shellamar

Oh, Char, come on now. . . . Really? Did you really mean to ask THAT question? I mean no offense, but really. . . .

--Armand

Yes, I hear you.

Char, I hope that you can hear this also.

Peace,

tammy

Goodness, dear Char... really?? You're taking your misrepresentations/false accusations just at tad far, don'cha think? Do be so desperate, dear lady. Stick to the facts and the truth, please... and stop trying to "paint" me falsely? If you can't support your position, no worries. Perhaps hang back a little and learn. But if the only way you can assert that your position is right is to keep falsely accusing me, well, I have to ask: where is the Christ in THAT?

My wish for peace for you remains.

A slave of Christ,

Shellamar

Jhn 15:18 "If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first.

Jhn 15:19 If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you.

1Jo 2:16 For everything in the world—the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life—comes not from the Father but from the world.

1Jo 2:17 The world and its desires pass away, but whoever does the will of God lives forever.

Jam 4:4 You adulterous people, [fn] don't you know that friendship with the world means enmity against God? Therefore, anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God.


Jhn 17:9 I pray for them. I am not praying for the world, but for those you have given me, for they are yours.

1Jo 5:19 We know that we are children of God and that the world around us is under the control of the evil one.



Just a few verses that is not a JW translation to show how the world does not belong to Jah. It is by its choice. Choosing to belong to another father therefore under his control as verse 19 states.

Justmom

Oh, Tammy, Jesus is whom I believe.

Not you. Not Shelby.

All my life since my earliest days. If you were listening to Jesus, you would not be believing this new very peculiar nonsense of Jesus being the Holy Spirit.

Let me take this opportunity to apologise for the many typos in some of my posts above. Apple's predictive text can wreak havoc with long passages of writing.

Not such peculiar nonsense then, is it?

Loz x

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