xjwsforChrist

just saw this wondeful, profound post and wanted just to share it for any who may be able to use any of its content:



if any are so inclined, it can be found here; with even more good tips and feedback:

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/experiences/278806/1/I-made-my-daughters-cry-last-night

_________________
"I am proud to say that I will not lift one finger ( except my middle finger) for the WTBTS."

I know how you feel but,you never win with people like that..
It doesn`t matter how badly they ripped your life apart or hurt you..
To them it will always be your fault..They will never accept responsibility..

Thats what a Good JW Parent does..
Deny any Damage they`ve done in their Children's Lives,Smile and Pretend they`re the Victims..

...................................OUTLAW

_________________

Hey sweets, it has nothing to DO with "winning". Winning is not the goal.

_________________
"I am proud to say that I will not lift one finger ( except my middle finger) for the WTBTS."

Win was a bad word to use..

I should have said..
It`s extremely unlikely they will ever have an honest conversation with you..
.................................OUTLAW

_________________

I appreciate your sharing that post, dear Skals (peace to you, luv!). I would like to add something, though, that might make it a bit EASIER, regardless of HOW old one's child(ren) is/are... and if someone can share it on that thread (you and I can't, of course), maybe it will this dear one who posted it:

1. ADMIT YOU WERE WRONG. START THERE. Admit that you made a MISTAKE. Do NOT just say you "no longer believe," as THAT implies you no longer believe in GOD. Which, for the younger ones IS like hearing that Mommy and Daddy are getting a divorce.

2. APOLOGIZE... for MISLEADING THEM.

3. If it is TRUE (that you still love and believe in God and Christ)... TELL THEM THAT. That you STILL LOVE AND BELIEVE IN GOD (even if you have to use "Jehovah", for now)... AND CHRIST.

4. APOLOGIZE... for MISLEADING THEM.

5. Make SURE they understand that it is NOT God and Christ you no longer believe in... but the WTBTS.

6. APOLOGIZE... for MISLEADING... THEM.

7. Whether your reason is you no longer believe in the WTBTS... OR you no longer believe in God/Christ... TELL THEM WHY... and then SHOW them (from the Bible - or whatever else you have at your disposal - posts on forums like this one... Mr. Franz's books, etc., whatever it was that made YOU see what you NOW do). Help THEM SEE... HOW and WHY... you came to conclusion you did. DON'T just tell them, "I no longer believe in..." whatever it is you no longer believe IN.

8. APOLOGIZE... for MISLEADING... THEM. ADMIT you were mislead, TOO... that you FAILED... but NOW are going to do EVERYTHING in your power to make it RIGHT... and make it UP to them.

4. Tell them, IF IT IS TRUE... that YOUR conscience can no longer ALLOW you to be a part of (what you no longer believe in). And tell them WHY. And "why" is NOT the world's POV, that they're "too young to understand." CHILDREN KNOW WHEN YOU'RE LYING/NOT BEING FULLY TRUTHFUL/HYPOCRITICAL. Sure, you don't have to go into gory details that they MIGHT not understand ("They're a lying bunch of imposters whose only REAL goal is to sell books and magazines so that they can build their real estate empire!"). But they are ENTITLED to what they CAN/DO understand.

It is the same with situations like divorce.

"Adults" spend SO much time trying to cover THEIR BS and errors... are SO het up on NOT showing that they were wrong (or even ADMITTING it TO THEMSELVES)... that THEY continue the error, myths, and lies TO THEIR CHILDREN. Sometimes even AFTER leaving the WTBTS... divorce... etc. They hold their children to standards THEY can't even reach... all in the name of not wanting to allow their children to see their errors/admitting they were wrong/imperfect.

It's BS. And "adults" do it ALL the time. To the detriment of the children of this world. Many of whom grow up... and become the SAME kind of adults: lying to THEIR children... and perpetuating the cycle for yet another generation.

For those of the Body of Christ... it MUST stop with us. We CANNOT continue to perpetuate lies/falsehoods to OUR children... while pointing the finger at people like those of the WTBTS. If WE can't be honest with those WE love... with OUR flesh... then how in the WORLD can we expect people who don't give a HOOT about us... about ANYONE... to be honest with US?? It is hypocrisy... and a form of judgment.

You want folks to be honest with YOU? YOU... must be honest with ALL others... and particularly those of your own household. Because all things you "men" to do to YOU... YOU... MUST do... to others.

Will your children cry? Maybe. And that's okay. "Divorce" of ANY kind... physical OR spiritual... can be frightening, even painful for them. At the same time, they may NOT cry. They MIGHT just say... "What the heck TOOK you SO long?! Why did you put US through that... for SO long?!"

And if they do... simply apologize. Reassure them that you love them... and promise to "do better" going forward. Then... DO BETTER.

I hope this helps!

Again, thank you for sharing that, dear Skals!

Peace to you, all!

Your servant and a slave of Christ,

Shellamar

Honesty is not a virtue i'd ever attribute to these soul rapers. They don't even breathe in an honest fashion. It's all about sucking for them. THEY ARE SUCKERS!

_________________
"I am proud to say that I will not lift one finger ( except my middle finger) for the WTBTS."

Thx for your feedback shellbers.

_________________
"I am proud to say that I will not lift one finger ( except my middle finger) for the WTBTS."

So, it is NOT at the kh....it's somewhere near where i loved playing as a kid...before mom went on the prey for a little wt man...and hooked him.

how full circle can it get??!! so this is quite dynamic in and of itself....my mom would would be cleaning house, hair in curlers, blasting charley prides BEHIND CLOSED DOORS {which incidently and weird in all sorts of ways, is the name of my 6screen program!}...and then have to come get us kids from the park near where the ritual is mon night....this proposes to be an very interesting evening.

i sure hope my car makes this trip...
WHAT IF I GET STRANDED THERE?

_________________
"I am proud to say that I will not lift one finger ( except my middle finger) for the WTBTS."

I suppose i could sleep in my car in front of daddys house..... imagine when they Awake! and see my car first thing when the open kitchen curtains. can it get any more delicious?

_________________
"I am proud to say that I will not lift one finger ( except my middle finger) for the WTBTS."

its @ 7:30pm...if i try to drive there during rush hour traffic on one of the biggest fwy systems in the country....i'll be late or not make it entirely.

best thing is to go earlier in the day....do some walking dowm memory lane...which i adore where i grew up....its so painful how i was literally driven out and away from the place i hold dear in my heart...eat some early dinner...stake out ritual place so as to get PRIME PARKING GET THERE VERY EARLY....

GAWD, I'M GETTING ALL WARM AND FUZZY INSIDE JUST THINKING HOW IT COULD ALL DEVELOP...AND IF I WILL BE ABLE TO SUCCEED IN MY MISSION AND ULTIMATELY MY GOAL.

IT'S TIME MOMMY AND DADDY....AND YOU ARE GOING TO HEAR ME, THIS TIME.

_________________
"I am proud to say that I will not lift one finger ( except my middle finger) for the WTBTS."

{slaps SELF affirmatively....johnnys are a real bruiser}

_________________
"I am proud to say that I will not lift one finger ( except my middle finger) for the WTBTS."

i will be bringing the SURPRISE with me too!

_________________
"I am proud to say that I will not lift one finger ( except my middle finger) for the WTBTS."

thx to minimus, this is a great tool of a thread to have present monday night...these things are all very easy to print out and have at the ready:



http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/278969/1/Keep-Doing-This-In-Remembrance-Of-Me-keep-doing-what

_________________
"I am proud to say that I will not lift one finger ( except my middle finger) for the WTBTS."

well, the tape of me asking general counsel about memorial, could not be heard well over the conf call...drats!! that was the surprise. sorry

_________________
"I am proud to say that I will not lift one finger ( except my middle finger) for the WTBTS."

It`s all good sKally..You tried..
The show was great regardless..

_________________