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AGUEST SAID

Forgive the intrusion into this WONDERFUL discussion, but I would like to weigh in, if you all will bear with me! Thank you... and the greatest of love and peace to you, all!



This is correct, dear tec (the greatest of love and peace to you!). Unfortunately, the WTBTS treats them as two separate groups (rather than the “one flock” that Christ spoke of). To clarify, the 144,000 is a literal number and represents those sealed from among Abraham’s seed through Isaac, Israel, in fulfillment of JAH’s promise to Abraham (that his seed WOULD be blessed). It represents 12,000 from each tribe (except Dan, who rejected their share after being given land in Canaan by not driving out squatters – his share was subsequently given to Joseph who, as Rachel’s firstborn son, gets two shares: Manasseh (Joseph’s son) and Joseph (representing Ephraim, his other son). This group is numbered in order to ENSURE that Abraham is covered (through Isaac/Israel).

While Israel CAN be numbered by man (because the number is known), however, the number of the great crowd (from EVERY nation, tribe, tongue, and peoples) CANNOT be numbered by man. This is because the Most Holy One of Israel, JAH of Armies, shows mercy to whomever HE wishes to show mercy. Including Israel. And so, not only does the “great crowd” include an unknown number of people from among the nations it ALSO includes “all of Israel.” So that after the “full number” (which is unknown) of the nations “has come in”, then those of Israel who are not of that 144,000 are brought in. That first group is only the ENSURE that the promise to Abraham CANNOT be broken; thus, it’s members are SEALED.

Another error that the WTBTS makes is stating that the “anointed” are not only solely the 144,000... but that those folks are NOT solely Israel, but also are people of the nations. This is a LIE – the nations are part of the great crowd! However, these TWO groups... TOGETHER... make up the “nation of kings and priests” to God. What was SUPPOSED to happen was for that nation to be made up solely of Israel, and NOT include any from the nations (who did not associate with Israel and manifest that through circumcision); however, Israel rejected the KING that GOD chose for them. Because of this, the way was opened to allow those from the NATIONS... who DID accept that king as theirs... to be a part of that nation.

Along with the fact that Christ is ALIVE... and SPEAKS... and that his blood can cleanse us from sin so that we can LIVE... FOREVER (either through resurrection or “twinkling”)... THIS is the GOOD NEWS: that people of the NATIONS can also partake of and benefit from the Tree of LIFE... and gain life. Something that was initially held out only to Israel... and not because Israel itself was anything special, but because of a promise made to Abraham!

Another part of that “good news” is that not only can people of the nations be apart of that “holy nation” and “people for a special possession,” but even be KINGS AND PRIESTS in that kingdom... based on their FAITH... in the blood of Christ! (Revelation 5:9, 10)

Unfortunately, the WTBTS also teaches another lie: that only certain folks can “eat from the Tree of Life,” and “partake” of the blood of Christ so as TO eat... and live forever! They literally scare people into NOT eating/drinking, thus “shutting UP the kingdom of the heavens” before such ones! (Matthew 23:13).

They are able to do this by fooling people into thinking that THEY are the “truth,” so that ones look to THEM... rather than look to Christ, the Truth. They “seat themselves in the seat of Moses” and so make themselves the “mediator” between men and God. They do it technically by placing themselves between the “anointed” and the Most Holy One of Israel, JAH of Armies... and even MORE so now, with this new LIE... and between those [of the great crowd] literally. Heck, they even have such ones convinced that (1) they aren’t even IN the New Covenant because (2) Christ is not THEIR mediator. Yet, “there is only ONE mediator between God and man... Christ.

They are heinous imposters... “kings of the EARTH” - and thus, not only teach their members to walk by sight (in the false god and golden calf of their institution) rather than by faith (in the voice of Christ!), but to keep their minds ON “the things of the EARTH”... including establishing TWO hopes – one “earthly” and one “heavenly”... when there is only ONE hope... and it involves BOTH heaven AND earth – the spirit realm AND the physical realm... for ALL who are part of it!)... which the Harlot, Babylon the Great (those “anointed” follow and obey them!) FORNICATE with! They forsake their true “husbandly owner,” Christ... the one they CLAIM to be betrothed to (“I sit a queen!”)... for the “laws” of their paramours, these kings/imposters. They have turned over their hearts, minds, and souls to these... to follow THEM wherever THEY go... rather than following the Lamb... wherever HE goes. Even if his “going” before them is an attempt to lead them OUT. They close their ears to HIM... and continue following these “strangers,” hired men who abandon them to wolves... and wolves who “snatch and scatter” them!

I hope this helps and, again, thank you all for indulging me! Again, peace to you!

YOUR servant, as I am servant to ALL those of the Household of God, Israel, and those who go with, and a slave of Christ,

SA

AGUEST SAID

Dear, dear Psacto – the greatest of love and peace to you, too, dear one... and I am glad to see that you are perhaps understanding holy spirit a bit more. You commented that:



This is absolutely correct... but only up to a certain time, dear one! Perhaps the following quotes will help you see why I say up to a certain point:

“In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe.” Hebrews 1:1, 2

and...

“You study the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me, 40 yet you refuse to come to me to have life.” John 5:39, 40

and...

“Now that same day two of them were going to a village called Emmaus, about seven miles from Jerusalem. 14 They were talking with each other about everything that had happened. 15 As they talked and discussed these things with each other, [Jesus] himself came up and walked along with them; 16 but they were kept from recognizing him. 17 He asked them, “What are you discussing together as you walk along?”
They stood still, their faces downcast. 18 One of them, named Cleopas, asked him, “Are you the only one visiting Jerusalem who does not know the things that have happened there in these days?”

19 “What things?” he asked.

“About [Jesus] of Nazareth,” they replied. “He was a prophet, powerful in word and deed before God and all the people. 20 The chief priests and our rulers handed him over to be sentenced to death, and they crucified him; 21 but we had hoped that he was the one who was going to redeem Israel. And what is more, it is the third day since all this took place. 22 In addition, some of our women amazed us. They went to the tomb early this morning 23 but didn’t find his body. They came and told us that they had seen a vision of angels, who said he was alive. 24 Then some of our companions went to the tomb and found it just as the women had said, but they did not see [Jesus].”

25 He said to them, “How foolish you are, and how slow to believe all that the prophets have spoken! 26 Did not the Messiah have to suffer these things and then enter his glory?” 27 And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the Scriptures concerning himself.

28 As they approached the village to which they were going, [Jesus] continued on as if he were going farther. 29 But they urged him strongly, “Stay with us, for it is nearly evening; the day is almost over.” So he went in to stay with them.

30 When he was at the table with them, he took bread, gave thanks, broke it and began to give it to them. 31 Then their eyes were opened and they recognized him, and he disappeared from their sight. 32 They asked each other, “Were not our hearts burning within us while he talked with us on the road and opened the Scriptures to us?”

33 They got up and returned at once to Jerusalem. There they found the Eleven and those with them, assembled together 34 and saying, “It is true! The Lord has risen and has appeared to Simon.” 35 Then the two told what had happened on the way, and how [Jesus] was recognized by them when he broke the bread.

36 While they were still talking about this, [Jesus] himself stood among them and said to them, “Peace be with you.”

37 They were startled and frightened, thinking they saw a ghost. 38 He said to them, “Why are you troubled, and why do doubts rise in your minds? 39 Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; a ghost does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have.” 40 When he had said this, he showed them his hands and feet. 41 And while they still did not believe it because of joy and amazement, he asked them, “Do you have anything here to eat?” 42 They gave him a piece of broiled fish, 43 and he took it and ate it in their presence.

44 He said to them, “This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms.”

45 Then he opened their minds so they could understand the Scriptures. 46 He told them, “This is what is written: The Messiah will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day, 47 and repentance for the forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 48 You are witnesses of these things. 49 I am going to send you what my Father has promised; but stay in the city until you have been clothed with power from on high.” Luke 24:13-49


I hope this helps you to see that “scripture” was already established by the time our Lord arrived in the flesh, dear one, and has only been added to by the Revelation, the only book for which the writer was told to write and was IN SPIRIT when he was given the lion’s share of it! Everything else of the NT is the same as you and I writing here, discussing what’s true and accurate and what is not.

Unlike the first century Christians who had to look to the [writings of] the Prophets to “hear” what the Most Holy One of Israel, JAH of Armies, was saying to THEM... He who at that time “spoke [to Israel] by means of the Prophets... WE can hear what He is speaking... to ALL of mankind who seek Him... Israel AND the nations... by listening to His Son! Hence:

“18 You have not come to a mountain that can be touched and that is burning with fire; to darkness, gloom and storm; 19 to a trumpet blast or to such a voice speaking words that those who heard it begged that no further word be spoken to them, 20 because they could not bear what was commanded: “If even an animal touches the mountain, it must be stoned to death.” 21 The sight was so terrifying that Moses said, “I am trembling with fear.”

22 But you have come to Mount Zion, to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem. You have come to thousands upon thousands of angels in joyful assembly, 23 to the church of the firstborn, whose names are written in heaven. You have come to God, the Judge of all, to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, 24 to [Jesus] the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.

25 See to it that you do not refuse him who speaks. If they did not escape when they refused him who warned them on earth, how much less will we, if we turn away from him who warns us from heaven? 26 At that time his voice shook the earth, but now he has promised, “Once more I will shake not only the earth but also the heavens.” 27 The words “once more” indicate the removing of what can be shaken—that is, created things—so that what cannot be shaken may remain." Hebrews 12:-18-27


God’s Word, dear one... CHRIST... IS... ALIVE! He LIVES! That is the entire POINT: he is NOT dead - he ROSE! He was RESURRECTED from the dead... and LIVES! He conquered not only the world, but DEATH! And, after doing so... he said he would be WITH us... ALL the days... until the end of the system. He did not lie, dear one. He is the image of GOD, dear one... and so he cannot lie. If, then, HE is with us... why do we need to keep searching the scriptures for the "way" to life? HE... is the Life! And so we do not! We only need to put FAITH in his words to:

“COME! Take LIFE’S WATER... the holy spirit of God, the MOST Holy One of Israel, JAH of Armies... which spirit is poured OUT from the innermost parts of His Son, the Holy One of Israel, JAHESHUA, the Chosen One of JAH (MischaJah)... and which acts as an “excavator” for our ears to help us HEAR (Psalm 40:6) and as “eyesalve” to help us SEE... and is FREE!” All one needs to do is ask for it (Luke 11:13) without doubting. Because doubt... is a LACK... of faith.

I hope this helps, dear one, and again peace to you!

YOUR servant and fellow slave of Christ,

SA

JUSTMOM SAID

Thank you for that aguest.... and peace to you and your family!

The only versus I would like to add is like you mentioned "Christ is ALIVE"
Hebrews 4;12 "For the WORD OF GOD is alive and exerts power and is sharper than any two-edged sword and pierces even to the dividing of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is, able to discern thoughts and intentions of the heart."

GOD"S WORD IS CHRIST


Revelation 19:13 "He is arrayed with an outer garment sprinkled with blood, and the name he is called is The Word of God."
(John 1:1)

That which has been written and spoken, Christ has fulfilled. It is Him, the Son that now speaks as The Word of God.

Love and peace to you all
justmom

AGUEST SAID

Yes, dear Mom (peace to you, as well!)... the "word" spoken of in those verses as being alive IS Christ, which is why the NEXT verses state that nothing is hidden from "HIM." Meaning FROM CHRIST. Unfortunately, those to many MISS this truth and thus erroneously believe/teach that "living word" to be the Bible. They even name certain Bible versions thus!

They are helped in this farce primarily by the seeming phenomenon that occurs when one "sees" a verse "differently" than perhaps before: "It's as if the verse literally changed!" they exclaim. What they don't understand is that it's not the verse that changed but THEM - THEY changed, and thus their SIGHT changed. More often it's from one perspective to another due to the change in religious doctrines they follow. Much MORE so when the change is due to holy spirit, though! THEN such one goes from from being "blind" to now SEEING so that what they THOUGHT they saw... formerly only with theirs EYES... is NOT what the verse actually stated.

This is what is meant by Christ, the Word, "giving sight to the blind." Along with giving them the ability to literally see things of the SPIRIT realm he ALSO "opens up the scriptures" to them as he did for those in the events recorded by Luke. As a result, HE gives us UNDERSTANDING as to the scriptures... including what IS "scripture" (literally, "the writings/things written" that ARE by means of holy spirit)... and what is NOT.

Even more, interpretation of SCRIPTURE belongs to GOD, not man, so that any who undertake to do it... WITHOUT God...and so without Christ, His appointee... and thus, WITHOUT HOLY SPIRIT... are BOUND to interpret it INACCURATELY. Because it cannot be accurately interpreted WITHOUT God's holy spirit. And there is only One who grants that spirit and/or authority to others to dispense it: Christ, the Son and ONLY... WORD... of GOD.

The Bible is only a compilation of books, INCLUDING scripture, chronologies, historical records, and letters... that tell ABOUT that Word, among other things - i.e., the history of ISRAEL, back to Eden, prophesies re MischaJah, the coming and work of MischaJah... what occurred during his physical presence, then once his presence became invisible, and what is to occur yet... and encouragement for those SEEKING him. Once one has FOUND him, though, or rather, been found BY him, then it should be as it was then: no longer a searching of the scriptures but a DIRECT education and leading by HIM. Because just as then so too now: he is ALIVE and SPEAKS. Just not as he did then, while in a vessel of flesh and man's blood... but as a SPIRIT... and by means of GOD's blood: holy spirit!

One must transcend the flesh, then, the cup/vessel, and approach, listen to, and hear HIM... IN SPIRIT. And... in TRUTH. Because, again, nothing is hidden from him. Our flesh cannot hide what's in us from HIM, as it does from others. Sometimes even from ourselves. He, though, can see us, what's IN us... who and what we TRULY are... all the way down to the BONE, even further, to the MARROW. Which is where our BLOOD... and thus our LIFE... OUR spirit... "dwells"!

He is alive and nothing, not even we ourselves, are hidden from him. Adham couldn't hide... and neither can we. Best to just own our errors, then, fess up and acknowledge them... at least to him. Why? So that can wash them in his blood. In doing so we acknowledge God's UNdeserved kindness and partake of His mercy.

Calling a mere book God's "word", though, flies in the face of that kindness and mercy. Why? Because God REPLACED what was WRITTEN (to our forefathers)... WITH HIS SON - His LIVING Word! To keep going BACK to what has been REPLACED... is a DISLOYALTY. It shows NO faith in that Son... or God's PROMISES RESPECTING THAT ONE... including that he WAS resurrected from the dead and LIVES. Which is part of the promise to US: that by means of THAT one, we TOO shall LIVE. Even if we DIE in the flesh!

How, though, can we say WE have faith in a resurrection... if we don't TRULY believe HE was resurrected... and LIVES?? It is the DEAD who do not speak, because they CANNOT speak! God's Word, Christ... IS ALIVE... and he SPEAKS! If one doesn't grasp that TRUTH one doesn't TRULY grasp the GOOD news of the kingdom: that Death DID NOT hold Christ and so won't hold those who BELONG to Christ, his sheep: those who HEAR his VOICE... and LISTEN to HIM!

We can't... and won't... be saved by a book. Even a book of many books. Any more than Israel ever was saved by books.

Again, peace to you!

YSSFS of Christ,

SA

AGUEST SAID

Please pardon my passion: this is important, it's 2am, and I'm typing on my iPhone. Dratted time differential!!

Peace!

A slave of Christ,

SA, hoping to get sorted out time wise... and soon! LOLOL

AGUEST SAID

Hey 'Mom... our avatars are similar - LOLOL! Just noticed that!

Peace!

YSSFS of Christ,

SA

GLADIATOR SAID

The Faithful and Discreet Slave

The Society sought further authority by adopting more Biblical texts: Who really is the ‘faithful and discreet slave’ whom the master appointed over his domestics, to give them food at the proper time.
Matthew 24:45 - New World Translation

There has always been a certain ambiguity surrounding who or what the ‘faithful and discreet slave’ actually is. Pastor Russell, in 1881, first applied this term to the 144, 000 chosen to rule as kings and priests in heaven with Jesus. A few years later he decided that the slave was an individual who would supply spiritual food to the church. Some assumed this slave or servant to be Pastor Russell. In time, it was decided that it did refer to the members of the 144,000 who were still alive on earth. They became known as the remnant and were thought to be composed of both men and women. In 1925, 90,000 members claimed to belong to this class. When the promised world’s end failed to come as predicted, the number fell to 60,000 within a year. At the time of writing more than 11,000 men and women still claim to belong to this class.

The idea of an anointed class dispensing spiritual food and instruction had some merit at the time, because all the members of the Watchtower Society's management claimed to be of this anointed class. The first Governing Body was also entirely made up of anointed members but this is no longer the case. Anyone who opposed the Society's teachings or wanted to hold with previous Society ‘truths,’ could be labelled an ‘evil slave’ and thrown out. The Governing Body, that oversees all literature production, has been viewed as the main part of the ‘faithful and discreet slave’ for many years. When the movement is doing well they are ‘increasing the King’s belongings’ as the Biblical faithful slave had done. When there are problems, the evil slave is responsible.

The idea is, that they as a group continued to provide spiritual food, new truths and exercise direction over the interests and affairs of the ‘great crowd’ with an earthly hope. Most of the anointed class have nothing to do with deciding policy and doctrine. All women members are automatically excluded from positions of influence or authority, even in local congregations. Members have been puzzled as to the process by which these anointed members can be said to provide spiritual food.

Recent events have cast doubt over the whole idea that ‘faithful and discreet slave’ class exists, or ever did. This revelation has come from the Watchtower Society's itself. During 2011, a charge of breaches of the Working with Children Act 2005 was made against various Watchtower bodies by Steve Unthank. These included the ‘faithful and discreet slave’. The charges were eventually dismissed. What is of interest, are the comments made in court by Rachel van Wits, a solicitor from the Society’s own law firm based inside the Australia Bethel. In an attempt to explain that charges could not be brought against one of the Society bodies, she stated:

’’Faithful and discreet slave,’ is not a legal entity.’ ‘‘Faithful and discreet slave’, do not exist as a person nor do they exist as an ‘unincorporated body’ and nor do they exist as a ‘body’ of Christians.’
Rachel van Wits - Solicitor. Vincent Tool Solicitors

Steve Unthank, as acting prosecutor insisted that the ‘faithful and discreet slave’ was real and had religious responsibility over the congregations. The Society’s solicitors again stated that the ‘faithful and discreet slave’ did not exist and were ‘nothing more than a theological arrangement.’
It is true that from a legal point of view the ‘faithful and discreet slave’ does not exist as a body and never did. This clarification makes the status of ‘faithful and discreet slave’ more ambiguous than ever.

The Watchtower Society has trained its members to view any one who denies the authority of the ‘faithful and discreet slave’ as apostate, yet they themselves have denied the very existence of the ‘faithful and discreet slave.’ If the ‘faithful and discreet slave’ does not exist as a body of Christians, this poses some serious questions for the membership.
What is to become of the 11,000 members who believe they are the ‘faithful and discreet slave?’ If indeed there is no slave class, then through whom has the divinely provided food come for all these years? What authority does the governing body have to continue dispensing spiritual food to the membership? Fortunately this is not a problem I have to concern myself with. It is however a dilemma that many of the Society’s sincere members around the world may have to wrestle with themselves.


Taken from 'Can Jehovah's Witnesses SURVIVE?' By Trevor Willis (Download available on Amazon & Lulu)

PAULSACRAMENTO SAID

Well, that is a fascinating "revelation"...

CHARIKLO SAID

To misquote Churchill, the Watchtower is determined, while demanding total obedience form its followers as the slave, to remain, legally speaking, a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma.

They're tying themselves in knots and then turning themselves inside out.

AGUEST SAID




Something else that should cast such doubt on such a "class"... or person other than Christ... is what the writer of Hebrews (Lazarus) stated, dear Glad (peace to you!):

"God, who long ago spoke on many occasions and in many ways to our forefathers by means of the prophets, has at the end of these days spoken to us by means of a Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the systems of things." Hebrews 1:1, 2

Unlike other heirs who gain a limited inheritance (i.e., those who rule with Christ as king/priests for a period of time but not forever and are placed over a certain group, depending on their "tribe", and so not ALL... and those who are subjects of that kingdom but not kings/priests and so have no rulership... or "authority" over ANY others), the "faithful and discreet slave" is appointed over ALL of the Master's belongings:

“Who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time? Happy is that slave if his master on arriving finds him doing so. Truly I say to YOU, He will appoint him over all his belongings." Matthew 24:45-47

Why the ability to use this verse to confuse their members? Two things: (1) the verse following it that speaks of an "evil" slave and (2) a misunderstanding as to WHO the "master" is here. Re item (2), we can know who the "master" HERE... by understanding who HE is in two other accounts:

First, from Matthew 21:33-41

“Hear another illustration: There was a man, a householder, who planted a vineyard and put a fence around it and dug a winepress in it and erected a tower, and let it out to cultivators, and traveled abroad. When the season of the fruits came around, he dispatched his slaves to the cultivators to get his fruits. However, the cultivators took his slaves, and one they beat up, another they killed, another they stoned. Again he dispatched other slaves, more than the first, but they did the same to these. Lastly he dispatched his son to them, saying, ‘They will respect my son.’ On seeing the son the cultivators said among themselves, ‘This is the heir; come, let us kill him and get his inheritance!’ So they took him and threw him out of the vineyard and killed him. Therefore, when the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those cultivators?” They said to him: “Because they are evil, he will bring an evil destruction upon them and will let out the vineyard to other cultivators, who will render him the fruits when they become due.”

And from Matthew 22:1-6:

“The kingdom of the heavens has become like a man, a king, that made a marriage feast for his son. And he sent forth his slaves to call those invited to the marriage feast, but they were unwilling to come. Again he sent forth other slaves, saying, ‘Tell those invited: “Look! I have prepared my dinner, my bulls and fattened animals are slaughtered, and all things are ready. Come to the marriage feast.”’ But unconcerned they went off, one to his own field, another to his commercial business; but the rest, laying hold of his slaves, treated them insolently and killed them."

Notice in the first account that the "man" was a CULTIVATOR (see Genesis 2:8 and John 15:1) and, after sending his SLAVES (denoting that he was a MASTER), who those he let his field out to beat and/or killed... he sent his SON. Who they ALSO killed... in an effort to usurp and take his INHERITANCE.

In in the second account the "king" made a marriage feast for his "SON"... and sent forth his "SLAVES" (again, showing him to be a MASTER) to invite others to the feast.

The "king"... "man"... and "householder" HERE... is the MOST Holy One of Israel, NOT Christ... because the SON... is Christ. And this king/man/householder... had slaves, thus making HIM a "master." Christ... "no longer" calls those who belong to HIM... slaves! So that negates HIM as being the one "arriving" and finding a faithful/discreet "slave" giving food at the proper time. To the contrary, he is the one that does the FEEDING! He it is who grants "food"... at the PROPER time ("I have much to tell you but you are not able to bear it.. YET"). HE dispensed to Peter, et al. (by means of holy spirit!) so that they could so do AFTER. But THEY... and WE... have to get it from HIM... first! Who are the slaves mentioned in these accounts? THE PROPHETS, from Abel... who Cain killed... to John the Baptist, who was killed by Herod!

So what of the "evil" slave, then? How could that EVER apply to Christ? We must remember that he was tested... IN EVERY RESPECT. He could, then, have CHOSEN to turn on those given to him. He did NOT, though, so as to set a pattern and example for US. Had he done so, though, he would have been cast into the darkness "outside" himself.

Now, some think, no, he could NEVER have done that, chosen that. Such ones forget, though, that he ASKED:

"If it is YOUR will, please... REMOVE THIS CUP from me."

Of course, he followed that up with:

"Yet, not what I will, but what YOU will."

What does this mean? That at the time... HIS will was NOT God's will! At the TIME he wanted out... wanted what needed to be done to be done some other way, if possible! IF God would permit it! Would WILL it! It was NOT possible, however, because the MOST Holy One of Israel did NOT will it... and so he held fast: to GOD's will... and not his OWN. Because of this he, the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the WORLD was found WORTHY... to "open the scrolls":

"... because you were slaughtered and with your blood you bought persons for God out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation, and you made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God, and they are to rule as kings over the earth.” Revelation 5:9, 10

We cannot make the mistake that others do and confuse our kings, men, and masters! The only way to avoid that, though, is to NOT lean upon our own understanding... but look the One about whom all these things are written! Let HIM, God's Word and Truth (John 1:14; 14:6) tell us what is true and truth... and no other! Let him, that "faithful and discreet" slave... and SON... of GOD... lead us into ALL truth... by means of HIS voice... which speaks by means of his BLOOD... HOLY spirit... to OUR blood... and spirit!

I hope this helps and, again, I bid you all peace!

Servant to the Household of God, Israel, and ALL those who go with, and a slave of that Faithful and TRUE Witness... the Holy One of Israel, JAHESHUA, the Chosen One of JAH (MischaJah), the MOST Holy One of Israel,

SA

CHARIKLO SAID

AGuest, please can you explain why you say Lazarus was the writer of Hebrews?

Have I read you right there? Apologies if I haven't. I've just never met that understanding before.

JUSTMOM SAID

So......

As most already might agree and aguest elaborated on, when the governing body applies Matthew 24:45 as to "themselves" being the faithful and discreet slave (class) they once again fulfill John 10:8 "All those that have come in place of me are theives and plunderers."
10. And the thief does not come unless it is to steal and slay and destroy.

So how can anyone truly believe that they care about its members?

Now is truly an opportune time to "Get out of her (that harlot) and quit touching the unclean thing (WTBS) and let anyone thirsting for truth (Christ) "Come" take life's water (holy spirit) free!"

With Love
justmom

AGUEST SAID

It is something I heard from my Lord, dear Char (again, peace to you!). Some time ago he told me that "the writer of the letter to the Hebrews [is the same one as] the writer of the account attributed to 'John'." At the time, I thought the Apostle John had written John (as many do), but came to learn (by means of a dear one who made me aware of the possibility, which I took to my Lord) that Lazarus is the writer of the account of "John."

That account ("John") states its writer as the one my Lord "loved/had affection for":

"Upon turning about Peter saw the disciple whom [Jesus] used to love following, the one who at the evening meal had also leaned back upon his breast and said: “Lord, who is the one betraying you?” Accordingly, when he caught sight of him, Peter said to [Jesus]: “Lord, what will this [man do]?” [Jesus] said to him: “If it is my will for him to remain until I come, of what concern is that to you? You continue following me.” In consequence, this saying went out among the brothers, that that disciple would not die. However, [Jesus] did not say to him that he would not die, but: “If it is my will for him to remain until I come, of what concern is that to you?”

"This is the disciple that bears witness about these things and that wrote these things, and we know that the witness he gives is true." John 21:20-24

Of course, others validated this person's writing, but we can know it was Lazarus by two (2) things:

1. The man Peter was referring to was one who had died and then been resurrected, which is why Peter wanted to know what would happen as to HIM: would he die again, before Christ returned, or... having been resurrected, would he LIVE until Christ returned? It was a logical and understandable curiosity. The only man who fit this description was Simon Lazarus (aka Simon the Leper aka Simon the Kanean aka Simon the Zealot - which is what "kanean" means, and NOT someone from Cana or Canaan - one of the 12 apostles!).

2. The words of Lazarus' sister, Mary (the Magdalene, who lived with him and their sister, Martha, in Bethany - 2 miles from Jerusalem - and so with whom my Lord stayed when in the area - they were his adopted/surrogate family, due to his own fleshly brothers and sisters having rejected him at the time)... as to whom it was that my Lord had love/affection FOR:

"Now there was a certain man sick, Laz′a‧rus of Beth′a‧ny, of the village of Mary and of Martha her sister. It was, in fact, the Mary that greased the Lord with perfumed oil and wiped his feet dry with her hair, whose brother Laz′a‧rus was sick. Therefore his sisters dispatched word to him, saying: “Lord, see! the one for whom you have affection is sick.” John 11:1-3

Lazarus is not just the ONLY person of whom it was recorded that my Lord loved/had affection for... but the ONLY one regarding whose death my Lord wept. He didn't even cry over John the Baptist. He did not weep due to Lazarus' death, per se, though, as many believe - he was going to resurrect Lazarus, so he wasn't distressed over that. He wept... over MARY'S grief at the loss of her dear brother! She was DEVASTATED... in spite of the demonstration of HER faith... and so her GRIEF, that from a woman of great faith... had an impact on my Lord. Death's "sting" showed on HER (for it's affect is on the living, right, and not the dead?)... and so affected HIM.

I hope this helps, dear Char, truly. Again, peace to you!

Your servant and a slave of Christ,

SA

CHARIKLO SAID

That is very interesting.

Thank you, aGuest.

LOZ SAID

The GB do not have the power or authority to fire any of the anointed. They did not anoint anyone. "He who anointed us and put his seal upon is is God". They are being presumptuous beyond words with their ridiculous new light. They have mistreated the anointed for decades and stepped into the role of "whoever did these things to on one of the least of my brothers, did it to me".

The true anointed ones on this earth are not serving any men. It's really that simple.

Loz x

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