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Sab, you know that a scribe is not the same as a prophet, right?

A scribe, for the most part, wrote the letters that Paul dictated. Then those were passed around, and more scribes copied them as time went on, etc, etc. Same with scripture.




Revelation is given to whomever the One giving that revelation to, chooses. But this person would need ears to hear, yes.



Okay.



Sab, Christ is the Truth. One does not need to know the laws of grammar of the original languages the scripture is written in, to find Him.

One simply needs to knock, seek, ask... in faith... and keep doing so.



Well, slicing up scripture so blatantly might be obvious to people. (or not, depending on what kind of voice people want to hear). But the lies that scribes tell, or teachers of the law, etc... are often more deceitful than that. Carrying something that looks or sounds true, but it not true.

But are you saying here that God sets rules out for those who... break the rules? God has laid out rules for people to follow so that they lie... correctly and according to the rules?




No, Sab. I just do not listen to your voice. I have no reason to listen to your voice, over the voice of my Lord. His is the ONLY voice that I need to listen to in that crowd, and He speaks quietly.

I don't know what you mean in saying that I am the reason you stay here. I don't think that is true though.



I will leave the judging to God, who may have mercy upon whomever He chooses.



First, you are assuming that they are doing it on purpose, rather than not realizing that they are being used by the adversary; and second, simple ignorance and blindness can also be the cause.

As well, the Word of God cannot be altered, period... because the Word of God is Christ. Not scripture...that can be altered, and not the bible, that is not even all scripture.




Would you consider the Holy Spirit to be a source beyond logic and reason?



Okay, and that is your choice.

But you can understand that I have faith in Christ... nothing and no one else. That is why I do not listen to your voice, or the voice of anyone other than His.




Sab, it sounds as though you are saying, scripture leads you to Christ and God, who then lead you back to the scriptures.

We agree that scripture is not the life, but points TO the life (Christ).




Then I do not understand why you expect that some here will turn to something other than Christ?

Man might create laws based on things that are written, though without an understanding of love, those laws become things that abuse others, and create disorder. But Christ said that all laws are based upon the first two commandments: love God, and love neighbor as self.




Even the written word does not state this, Sab. God is the Father; Christ is the Son AND Christ is the Holy Spirit. Christ is the Truth... and once He died in the flesh and returned to His Father... He was the Spirit of Truth.

There is ONE mediator between man and God; not two.



Yes.



Yes, and if you read more of John, you might see that Christ spoke of Himself, as the Helper.

In any case, Christ is the One who said... you have ONE Teacher, the Christ.



If the Holy Spirit does not come until after Christ goes away and sends Him, how did the Holy Spirit come at this time?




They do point to Christ. But once you have found (or been found BY) Christ, you do not need them to teach you. Sometimes, as we are trying to build our faith, we will still look back to them to corroborate what we are hearing. This, however, is a lack of faith. (not non-faith; just a lacking IN faith IN Him)

The scriptures may also help others seeking to see something that has been shared, at least until such a time as they also look and listen to Christ alone.

As for the Spirit is the teacher... again, there is ONE teacher: Christ. (matt: 23:10) Christ is also the Spirit. (2Corinthians 3:17,18)





Sure.



Yes... from Him. At least as to the learning part. You want to learn from the Truth; Christ. From the actual Word and Image and Truth of God; not from the thing that points to the one who IS the Truth; but from the Truth, Himself.




See above on this.




Not sure what this has to do anything I said. Seemed a bit more like an avoidance of what I shared, Sab.



I meant one what authority do you know such a thing.




That does not make sense. Christ is the Truth; look to Him. How many different ways do you think there are to say this?

Things that don't make sense often get lots of words, big words sometimes and flowery descriptions (or lots of technical jargon or double-speak), to make them sound good and smart... but the truth does not need any 'decoration' like that.



Yes, exactly!! Because they are HIS teachings, learned from God. Him BEING the Spirit of Truth: Christ.



I do not think Christ, the ONE Teacher, is an object at all.

But if a person is looking to someone other than Christ to teach them... well, lol, I'm not sure how that someone could complain about Christ not teaching them.


Peace to you, Sab,

tammy (also off to bed, so gnight)

AGuest wrote



That's a good attempt to describe what one person, who doesn't accept or understand the fact of God as One in Three or Three in One, decides "must" be the case if the Holy Spirit enters a person.

You forget that at all times God gave and always gives man free will. Man can always choose his actions, choose between right and wrong, choose between God and self.

The Holy Spirit is both more powerful than anything else and unbelievably gentle. A rushing mighty wind and the merest whisper of breath. It brings grace in all manner of ways. Grace to enable, to empower, for understanding and good judgement, gives wisdom, courage, reverence and fear of The Lord.

The Holy Spirit never ever controls a person. It "directs" a person to say nothing. A spirit that might do such a things would not be from God, though there are plenty of spirits that will do that and do. And they'll delightedly masquerade as being of God or Christ.

"Test the spirits"? We are commanded never to test The Lord!

Sab! So very pleased to see you posting here again! You've brought me out of my exile!

The greek use of "person" in Hellenistic times doesn't mean what it means to us.
As it applies to the HS as the JW's see it as a "force", their view doesn't do justice because the "person" of the HS IS active and DOES choose and DOES teach and DOES comfort and these are viewed as "person qualities".
You can't simply say the the HS is an active or impersonal force because NT writings explicitly state that it isn't.

Good morning Char.

I just want to show some things that are written in comparison to a couple of things that you said. I am not sure how you reconcile the conflict?



"Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world." 1John 4:1



Luke 12:11

When you are brought before synagogues, rulers and authorities, do not worry about how you will defend yourselves or what you will say, for the Holy Spirit will teach you at that time what you should say.



Just in general:

Calling the Holy Spirit and 'it' sounds pretty impersonal, doesn't it? It is strange to me. Sab, you are saying that we who know the Holy Spirit as Christ, are objectifying the Holy Spirit... when the opposite is true. Christ IS personal.

A third person, with no name, is far less personal, is it not?


Peace,
tammy

A scribe is a learned copyist in a position of high Scriptural responsibility.



The Book of Revelations was designed to induce revelation in the reader. You are saying that no one can understand the Scripture without first being chosen to do so. This is not correct and once again you are marginalizing the Scriptures in favor of the voice in your head.



Finding Christ is the same thing as gaining understanding of Christ. Yes, people all around the world feel the presence of the Lord, but it's their Scripture which explains Him which follow the laws of grammar.



Scripture CANNOT be altered beyond repair. If it could then Scripture is wholly untrustworthy. You are swapping God's methods in favor of your own.



God establishes the boundaries, yes.



You should listen to my voice because what I have to say benefits you and doesn't break the laws of logic and reason. You are admitting that you are letting what I say go in one ear and our the others. Listen and you will learn.



So, now you call me a liar? I know the reason I am here and it's to help the one's who have been misled by Shelby. You are her prime target and therefore you are the main reason I am here. Shelby is lost, you are following a spiritually blind person as I once did.



If they didn't do it on purpose then Christ wouldn't have called down woe upon them. He would have also mentioned the true source of the alterations. Stop using the Devil as a scapegoat, you are playing into his hand.



Scripture is rightly called the Word of God because Christ, in conjuncture with the Spirit, is how it comes to be in the first place. What IS wrong, however, is to call a certain grouping of Scripture the Word of God. The 66 book cannon is NOT the word of God, it's a chapter in the Word of God. Scripture is in ALL religions.



The nature of the Spirit IS beyond logic and reason. However, when he/she teaches USES logic and reason.



You need more faith in His books and you need to stop defaming them. You also need to stop allowing others to alter His books using mysticism. AGuest is no different than Johannes Greber. Turn from your path or face the natural consequences, that is my message to you. The first thing you need to do is accept the personage of the Holy Spirit which will allow him/her to come into your life. If you call her/him a substance that emanates from God you are rejecting him/her and will not glean knowledge, but descend into darkness.



Faith in God leads you to Scripture which is then taught to you by the Spirit.



You know full well that's not my intention. Stop this madness! I implore you!



Man creates Scripture (law) under the direction of the Spirit. Christ never said all law is based on the love of God and neighbor as self. He said that those two were the most important laws to follow.



Leaders ALWAYS have representatives or agents. The Father sends the Son who then sends the Spirit who is represented by the Church.



Yes, and that Teacher has a representative, The Spirit.



It didn't come then, it was represented by a dove. The Spirit is much more than a bird.



Scripture is much more important than you are making it out to be. Studying the Bible doesn't mean lack of faith in God, you are very mixed up. This is because you have been listening to the wrong source for a long time.



Scripture is NOT baby food, it's solid food. Your source is tainted.



Yes... and he teaches using the Spirit who uses Scripture. It's too convenient to invalidate Scripture as you are doing, such a course will undoubtedly lead to heresy. Please turn back, there is still time.



No, it was a good point that YOU are now avoiding. If you hear and interact with a voice that IS truth, then you should be able to become the greatest private investigator on earth. You alone should be able to stop crime. The problem is that if you tried you would be no better than anyone else. That's because what you hear in your head IS NOT TRUTH.



By the authority of logic and reason.



What doesn't make sense is telling people to go to something you yourself obviously don't understand.

-Sab

No, the book of Revelation is a recording OF the revelation that Christ gave to John.

And you are the one who said that to understand the revelation one would need ears to hear; I agreed with you.




People study scriptures and the written word every day and all the time, Sab... and they are conflicted in their understanding and doctrines. WTS does that... and does it bring them any closer to 'finding' Christ? Studying, learning ABOUT Christ, is not the same as KNOWING Christ.

You can get the sense of someone from what you learn about them, true. But to know them, truly know them, then you need THEM, and not others descriptions about them.




Beyond repair? I would agree with you on that... simply because we can go to CHRIST, to know the TRUTH, of something that is written, or of something that is spiritual, or whatever He teaches us about.

Listening to Christ, the Truth, is the 'method' that God has given.



So people can lie within the proper God-given rules of lying?

Sab... really?

Do you have an example of Christ setting down rules for liars to 'properly' lie?



Okay, this is really only thing that I am compelled to respond to here, even though I have responded to all. Because one thing from you says all that is needed to be said.

You think I should listen to YOUR voice.

Christ says, listen to MY voice.

Who do you think I am going to choose to listen to in these two conflicting thoughts?

Sab, I will not listen to another voice, other than His. I am His sheep... not yours.

Those who belong to Christ do not tell people to listen to their voices... they point to Christ and tell people to listen to HIM and HIS voice.

Sab, yours is the voice of a stranger. I am sorry, but I do not know how you cannot see that you are doing exactly as has been said... trying to lead people AWAY from Christ, and TO you.

You justify that by telling yourself that we are not listening to Christ. But even if we were not, it is not you we should be listening to, but Him. You cannot point to Him and yourself at the same time.




You are here to fight against what you think Shelby teaches.

But as for you and I, we don't often speak about the things you post, because I don't often respond to them.

Now as to who I follow... that would be Christ, not Shelby. I am not so insecure that I need to keep repeating that, so I'm just going to say it to you once. And one thing Shelby would not do, is tell me (or anyone else) that I should listen to her voice. She does as all who belong to Christ do... and that is point toward Christ, that anyone and everyone who wishes will listen to HIM.



Do you recall the verse where Christ tells some of Israel that they are listening to their father, the devil. They did not know it, they did not realize they were being used by the adversary, but that does not make it any less true.



Christ is called the Word of God because He IS the Word of God. That is IN your scripture.

Christ is also the Spirit. That is also IN your scripture.

I do not know all religions to know whether there is scripture on all of what they considered to be holy writ... but there is scripture in the three Abrahamic religions; in the Torah, the NT, and the Quran. Scripture is inspired; and so it is the written account of something that has been received while in spirit.



How do you know that?

The Spirit, as my Lord tells me now... uses TRUTH... to teach, in love.




I only need faith in HIM, and HE will teach me. That is what He HAS taught me.



Yeah, I don't really have power over what others do.

But it is curious to me that it is the very scriptures and verses that you say are the authority, that also conflict with the things that some of you say. Like the quotes highlighted in my previous post to another.




Well now you have delivered your message and you can be done.

If I turn from this path, then I turn from Christ... so I will stay on this path, with His help and guidance, and more than happily face those natural consequences.

I'm not going to listen to you over Him, Sab.




I will go to the Holy Spirit... who is a person... who is Christ... who is Jaheshua... to teach me what I need to do. He IS in my life.



When I left the study with the jws, and put my faith in God... no conditions, not time-line, no preconceived notions, and NO doubt... He led me to His Son, the Spirit, who does teach.



It might not be your intention... but it IS what you are asking.

"Turn from your path, tammy. Listen to me, tammy. The voice you listen to is tainted, tammy."

Christ is the One I listen TO.



Sab, this is what i mean about you (and others) often saying things that contradict the very written word you are telling people to put their faith in. You do not have this knowledge that you think you have.

Matt 22:40

"[u]All the law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments[/u]."


Why should I listen to your voice, again?



The Father sends the Son who IS the Spirit who teaches, who has witnesses who testify and point TO Him; the Son. Again, there is still only one mediator between man and God.



Christ is the One who comes and teaches, Sab. He is the one who came to Saul (afterward named Paul) He came as the Spirit, but HE, himself, came.



LIKE a bird... is a metaphor. The spirit came down like a bird. Of course the spirit is much more than a bird. The spirit is not a bird at all.



Turning to the bible to teach you... which is imperfect... over putting faith in what Christ teaches you, Himself, as the Spirit... is a lacking in faith, in Him, in the Spirit. I have certainly done that in the past, and sometimes still do... and then kick myself for not having listened to what He told me in the first place, because it is always TRUE.



Paul wanted people to move beyond the milk... basics... and to the meat, which is the Spirit.

Again, you do not know my source, but I do, and HE is not tainted. HE is the Truth.

So I will implore you, this time... to stop what you are doing. Because you do NOT know what you are doing.




He is the Spirit, and He teaches in spirit... sometimes bringing to mind scriptures and explaining the meaning of them; sometimes otherwise, sometimes in dreams, sometimes in simply answering questions that are asked.

I have not invalidated scripture, you know. Scripture itself speaks of the lying pen of the scribes.




No, I believe you still avoided the point.

But as to your point... we are to be witnesses to Christ. To say "Come, take life's water FREE." To share what we are GIVEN to share.




Well, you do what you choose.

The only authority that I recognize is Christ, the Truth.



Sab, I'm just going to let that go. I know who I listen to. I do not expect or even desire that anyone should listen to ME... but rather go to Christ and listen to Him. You and anyone else, can choose to do with that as you will.


Peace,
tammy

Seeing as you have openly stated your purpose for being here, dear Sab (peace to you!), which is apparently some need to "oppose" me, I am directed to leave off any further discussion with you. Dear tec (peace to you, as well!) must and can defend her faith without my inclusion, so I will leave this to you and her. Of course, I realize that you will blame her unacceptance of your propaganda on me... rather than consider that it is solely the result of HER faith... and your ever-changing, wishy-washy belief system (that seems to "evolve" every few months based on whomever you're hanging out with at the moment - yet, you say OUR faith... which hasn't and doesn't change... has issues... ho-kay!). But that's neither here nor there.

If your purpose here is to try and persuade folks away from their faith, I cannot stand in the way: to each one's own master they will stand or fall and so I must let THEM "make a reply" to the one who is taunting the Father as to THEM. We ALL have an accounting... and for the Body of Christ, that accounting time is now, NOT after they have died. Because those who die in union with Christ have NO condemnation - they have already been subdued and refined and so life is GUARANTEED for them. For me to intercede or even involve myself, then would (1) deny them the opporunity to speak for THEMSELVES as to their faith... and OPPOSE the Adversary THEMSELVES, and (2) only be a demonstration of MY fear that perhaps some WILL be so persuaded away from their faith. That is NOT something, however, that is within my power to hinder. I have not been taught by my Lord to be like the WTBTS or other religions/religious leaders... who are SO afraid that their flimsy propaganda will be EXPOSED... that they must run "interference" on behalf of those they call THEIR "sheep" and speak FOR them. I don't NEED to do that, as NO ONE here is following ME, praise JAH!

Some ARE listening to what I share as to Whom they SHOULD listen to and follow, yes... which is NOT me... OR you... and so they go to him, so as to be taught and led BY him. I am just a servant... a tiny voice... indeed, a "little rock" calling out and pointing the way to the Way. And he stands ready... and OPEN... to receive ANY who receive HIM and wish to enter THROUGH him. So, there is nothing for ME to do, indeed that I CAN do: it is between him and them.

As for your position regarding the Holy Spirit... and holy spirit... have it as you will. I have no fear of your rhetoric, for myself OR for these dear ones. If they are listening to Christ then they know who is sharing truth with them... and who is truly attempting to turn them away from him, why, and by what "authority". They will know who that Holy Spirit truly is... as well as the gift (of God's holy spirit) HE gives. I don't need to defend him OR that gift. By means of GOD's spirit (holy spirit), which he gives to these, they will defend him... and that spirit.

So, I will leave you to your "message." Please... feel free. But please also know that you WILL blaspheme against the Holy Spirit. You will... because you failed to heed the warning. Like Cain, who was told that if HE didn't get the master over HIS anger... he WAS going to sin. And... he did. You will, as well. For the same reason: the inability to get the master over your anger. It WILL lead you to sin... very sadly. However, I did what I was directed to do... warn you, in love... and so now I am free of any bloodguilt as to you. Therefore, I no longer need to concern myself with you... what you believe... or what you post. I leave you to my Lord, the HOLY ONE of Israel and Holy Spirit, JAHESHUA, the Son and Chosen One of JAH (MischaJah).

May his Father and God... and mine... the MOST HOLY One of Israel, JAH of Armies, grant you mercy... by means of allowing that Son to plead for forgiveness for you... and accepting that plea... if that is their will. I ask this because I know that you truly do not know what you are doing. You have NO idea.

And so I fear for you, truly. Because I KNOW what the WTBTS can "produce"... in terms of anger in people; I have seen what that anger can and has led some to do: blaspheme against the Holy Spirit, the glorified Christ. And my heart mourns for every one of you. Because you COULD have been found... so as to NEVER be lost again... yet, you didn't want it. Your anger would not allow you to, but only allowed place for the Adversary. He, though, will not be merciful. He never has been and never will be.

MY wish for peace for YOU and your household, therefore, remains. May you find it, somehow.

A slave of Christ,

SA

Tec, read this Scripture carefully:



The Holy Spirit is sent IN THE NAME of Christ and teaches FOR HIM. There are THREE entities mentioned in the verses. The Son, who is speaking, the Father and the Holy Spirit. When you say "Christ IS the Spirit" then you are saying that Christ is the breath of God which was used to bring Adam to life. This is not correct. Christ is NOT the breath of God, the Holy Spirit is the breath of God. Christ is the Son of God and he has his OWN breath which is ALSO the Spirit of God as they share the same essence. They are One!

The reason why I say listen to me is because I am taught by the Spirit. I WOULD tell you to listen to the Spirit yourself, but you are blocking yourself from the Spirit and therefore the truth. You need someone like me to guide you to the Spirit and then the Spirit can take over from there. I don't want disciples I want to save people from untruth by leading them to the Spirit and therefore Christ and therefore the Father. Sadly, you have given into a type of greed and passion. You have put faith in a shortcut that lacks any lasting value. You say you have the truth, just like the WT, but your truth doesn't hold up to simple logic and reason. It's one of the saddest things I have ever had to witness. You simply will not let go of the crutch and it will be your ultimate undoing.

What I have learned from this experience is that when people follow a false Christ (Shelby) their ultimate defense against people who try to wake them up will be, "Stop trying to take me away from Christ." They will label you as being directed by agents of darkness and will not be able to back up their words. Truly the blind leading the blind.

-Sab

Both sides are using the phrase blaspheme against the Holy Spirit. In another thread it is the unforgivable sin. It makes me think of the curse "Damn you to hell"

If the motivation behind Sab, Shelby, Tec, PSac, Just, etc is based upon a sincere love and concern for each other. Then it seems admirable that this is taking place.

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I think you are all being silly

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Indeed this conversation here has taken on a somewhat disturbing tone

Good Morning Sab.....

Hope all is well with your family . I realize that you have addressed TAMMY here but I would like to address a couple things that I PERSONALLY have issue with and disagree upon....

You say...
Finding Christ is the same thing as gaining understanding of Christ. Yes, people all around the world feel the presence of the Lord, but it's their Scripture which explains Him which follow the laws of grammar.


Sab, finding CHRIST or being found by him, yes we are able to understand and know him. But there are people all over the world that read about CHRIST in the scriptures and still do not know him. Because they choose not to come to him. The scriptures can be....what leads us to CHRIST ( there are those that are known by him that never had a bible) after this, it to Him we must turn to, look upon, where Life comes from, not from scripture. John 5 : 39-41



Scripture CANNOT be altered beyond repair. If it could then Scripture is wholly untrustworthy. You are swapping God's methods in favor of your own.

We are not swapping anything here. Jahs only method NOW is to look to...and listen to....HIS SON!!!
If scripture could not be altered beyond repair, then why is the law of it to be on our hearts and not on stone ( written) tablets anymore? You don't think Jah didn't realize what evil false scribes were going to do to mislead sheep?


You should listen to my voice because what I have to say benefits you and doesn't break the laws of logic and reason. You are admitting that you are letting what I say go in one ear and our the others. Listen and you will learn.



BIG RED FLAG SAB!!!!! Listen to YOUR VOICE!!!! I don't think so!!! There is only VOICE and that is Christs!!! Whether or not individuals choose to listen or not is fine by me. But I must continue to follow that same voice that led me out of the WTBS and continues to guide me today!



So, now you call me a liar? I know the reason I am here and it's to help the one's who have been misled by Shelby. You are her prime target and therefore you are the main reason I am here. Shelby is lost, you are following a spiritually blind person [u]as I once did.



Sab, why were you following Shelby's voice to begin with???
Where ALWAYS and ONLY does she as a servant tell you to go and what voice does she tell you to listen to ONLY????




Scripture is rightly called the Word of God because Christ, in conjuncture with the Spirit, is how it comes to be in the first place. What IS wrong, however, is to call a certain grouping of Scripture the Word of God. The 66 book cannon is NOT the word of God, it's a chapter in the Word of God. Scripture is in ALL religions.


Not true!! Christ is the only word of God. In the beginning was the WORD....and all the way through to Revelation he is called " The WORD of God."
But you do finish this sentence by saying the 66 books are NOT the word of God. So I'm confused.



Faith in God leads you to Scripture which is then taught to you by the Spirit.


Faith in God leads one to the Son, which IS that SPIRIT ( the Holy Spirit).



Yes, and that Teacher has a representative, The Spirit.



That teacher IS The Spirit.


Scripture is NOT baby food, it's solid food. Your source tainted .


Scripture is baby food in that it leads us to the one that is SOLID FOOD...." The true bread from heaven...true FOOD and true DRINK!"



Yes... and he teaches using the Spirit who uses Scripture. It's too convenient to invalidate Scripture as you are doing, such a course will undoubtedly lead to heresy. Please turn back, there is still time.n


HE....teaches....using spirit which he IS as that Holy Spirit. We are told to LISTEN to Christ not what is written. Not to RELY on it!


What doesn't make sense is telling people to go to something you yourself obviously don't understand.[


Sab, Christ is the TRUTH! [b]That makes perfect sense to those that belong to Him. If it is YOU that do not understand this, then it is to HIM you must take this up with!

And no one is telling you anything different than to go to the one that will reveal ALL truth. His Yoke and Load are so much easier than what you are trying to make it out to be Sab.
After what we all have been through in the WTBS , Chirst truly should feel refreshing!
He does to me!!!


Love to you always Sab
Justmom

Christ's warning against the blasphemy of the HS is a big one since it makes clear that it is the ONLY sin that is not only unforgivable BUT that leads to total destruction.
WHY?
To blasphemy something we must KNOW it.
An atheist can't blasphemy God because he doesn't know God.
Only a believer can blasphemy and only a believer that has been sealed by the HS can blasphemy against the HS.
What does that mean?
Some will argue that anyone that rejects the HS ( thus rejecting Christ and The Father) was never a "true christian", but I don't think that is true or else Christ would not have warned us.
To blasphemy against the HS is to to what Satan and the others did, to know God and STILL reject and oppose Him.
Think about that and let that sink in and you will understand.

Yes but each person who believes that the other is following a false god, voice, spirit, etc will say that the other is blaspheming against.

It is possible to blaspheme without realizing it? I think each party is sure that they are taking the true course.

No one here is rejecting God or Jesus or HS, they are objecting to the other person's concept or belief of their God

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I couldn't agree more! That's why I don't believe anybody in this thread has committed an unpardonable error. The REAL culprits are the architects of the blasphemes. All one needs to do is study history and the evil one's stick out like sore thumbs. One of the most recent of these being the NWT Bible Committee. Raymond Franz's crisis of conscience was a direct result of a sin against the Spirit committed by his uncle and his disciples.

The Watchtower believe themselves to be the New World Authority. They are self appointed which means they challenge the Trinity itself which is the truth. This was directly evidenced by the creation and mass distribution of the New World Translation Bible. You do not have to read but 2 verses into it to see it for what it truly is. A blaspheme against the Spirit of Elohim. They declare war not only on earth, but existence itself. Their weapon of choice is the lie.

-Sab