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Thank YOU, dear, dear tec (and peace to you, luv!). When I first starting reading dear VG's "response" (peace to you, as well!), I thought, "Huh.. whaaa??" But as you clarified, we are told to NOT throw pearls before swine... something that this dear one for some reason didn't "get." Sadly, I'm not surprised - again, that rafter and veil... obscuring TRUE sight.

Saddens me, as you know... but, hey, what can you do? I am reminded by our dear Lord of that example where a man is standing holding his hands over his eyes, crying about being blind. Someone comes along, takes his hands and removes them... yet, he refused to then OPEN his eyes... and so still cries about being blind.

Like so many exJWs: they may have removed their hands... but they STILL won't open their EYES.

I won't go any further (no point) except to say it always AMAZES me when folks who cry that ALL "christian" religions are okay, all belong to God, all lead to the same place... all LOVE God/Christ, etc.,... have absolutely NO problem talking against the WTBTS. As if that's not a religion, too. Blows MY mind. Also blows my mind that such ones cannot see that, as you pointed out, if they WERE the same... they wouldn't have different BELIEFS. And so, Christ would not be DIVIDED... BECAUSE of them. Duh.

Rafters, rafters...

Peace to you, my dear, dear sister!

YSSFS of Christ,

Shellamar

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NO I did NOT tell ANYONE their "faith is wrong"

I am telling you simply,
respect other people and do not judge them.

I personally do not believe anybodies "faith" is "wrong"

I have no idea where you get your interpretations of scriptures,
and I have no desire to argue with you and your agenda.

People should be allowed to present scripture without your dissecting and
constantly criticizing. You are ex-JW's ? That means you were completely
WRONG already in a very profound way, I would think this would produce a little
humility and a less dogmatic and "let me tell you whats the truth" attitude,
but NO you are fully convinced of your own point of view as any witness and
you might just say , "nice scriptures" so encouraging , I see your point,
interesting way of looking at the Body of Christ.

Instead of the insistence on your own narrow interpretation, so much so
you can't resist the "word for word rebuttal". If I say the sky is Blue
you will insist it is Green, if I say UP you will say Down,
its combative, and aggressive and self righteous.

You are determined to pound down any nail that sticks up.
You hammer people into submission.
Got it. See it clearly. Heard every word.

Try, respect, acceptance, inclusion, and VALIDATION
All you do is condemn and correct and pound.
Geee - hmmm , who does that remind me of ?

You instruct me to " Listen" I listen. Believe me I listen.
So your purpose with this site is for people to shut up
and listen to you ? A sort of Vanity site ?

Claiming you get all your "truth" straight from Jesus talking to
you is a risky claim. Example: tec on another thread claimed
Jesus has told her the Palestinians are the 'lost Ten Tribes'
Apparently Jesus forgot to mention that the word Palestinian
is from the Latin for Philistine. They are descendants of the
ancient Philistines. And modern DNA testing through the Genome
Project establishes 6 distinct markers for ethnic Jews, and guess what?
The Palestinians do not have these makers, they are not Jews of any
kind. They are Philistines. So Jesus could not have possibly told you
they were the lost ten tribes of Israel. Worldwide groups have been
found that are genetically linked by specific DNA markers to ethnic Jews,
lost do to the Diaspora.

aguest - So just to be clear, if someone does not see things the way
you do, they are "Blind" ? no arrogance there. And likening yourself
to Jesus curing the blind ? I want to be outside the bursting radius
of lightening, when you make those claims.

The WTBS is not like other forms of Christianity and is in fact not Christian
at all. Because it replaces the "one mediator between man and God, Jesus Christ"
with seven old deluded men who call themselves the Governing Body and claim
to mediate and be the sole channel of communication between man and God.
That is anti-Christ, it is blasphemy. Sort of like .... well never mind.

And AGuest - what great "light" are you shedding on anything here ?
And now you accuse me of blindness and having a rafter in my eye ?
You really are being rude and disrespectful. I thought there was a no insult rule ?
What other insults will you come up with instead of soundness of mind and
clear thinking ? Is this how you talk to people ? Name calling ? telling them
they are blind and can't see the light ? How is that working for you ?

May I refer you back to your comments to me on this thread:

viewtopic.php?f=34&t=2065



When have I disrespected other people and judged them? If you know of such an instance, please point it out, because I would not want to do this. Or do you believe that disagreement is disrespect/judgment? Again I would refer you back to your comments about me and my faith on that above thread.




How do you reconcile that comment with the ones that follow, in particular this one:






What interpretation are you speaking of? We have simply shared what is written. But as for understanding, we have also shared who it is that teaches us and gives us our understanding: Christ.




So what is your reason for stating the above as true... what is your reason for stating that people here SHOULD be allowed to present scripture without someone expounding upon what it means, as they have learned?

If you put forth something here as truth, expect it to be tested against THE Truth: Christ. This is written IN our introduction, and I know that you read that. Just as we expect and are prepared for the same testing with regard to anything that WE share. If what you share IS truth, then it will stand. Yes? If what we share is false, then show us what is false, and it will fall beneath the truth.

But if it is true, then again, as my Lord once said to me... what issue do you have with it?

(And if you want to create your own rules for what people should be allowed to do... or not... then you might consider creating your own forum to go with your own rules.)




Just gonna say to the above that perhaps you would like to use these words and apply them to yourself, Villagegirl. Like a mirror.



We might just say this, but we certainly do not have to just say or do this HERE, especially if it is not true, and we do not see your point. But if that is what you need from others, then you might consider a different forum for that. Because we share what we have learned from Christ here.





You are speaking many words, but are saying nothing.

How someone responds is entirely up to them. You made a comment about posts being too long when you first got here, but yours are pretty long as well.

Comment by comment discussion is done to ensure that nothing is missed; nothing is misunderstood. NO point is overlooked. And again, YOU are judging the motives of the people responding to you. Instead of considering that you are being responded to in such a manner so that we do not miss anything that you are saying, and so that we can answer as thoroughly as possible, as YOUR servant.


Nor do we rely upon our own interpretation, as has been stated. It is not FOR us to interpret. Relying upon his own interpretation is what got man countless numbers of religions and denominations of 'christianity', and different doctrines and creeds and traditions and 'truths'.

Listen to Christ. HE is the Truth and Word of God.




Unfortunately, no. Your own words and accusations and double standards show that you do not got it, see it, hear every word of it. Nor have you shown how anything on this thread that has been stated with regard to Christ and God false. Why?



I don't know. Maybe check that mirror again.

As for acceptance, inclusion, validation... we cannot give those things to FALSE statements. Nor did CHRIST do this thing that you are asking us to 'try'. HE spoke TRUTH, even if it meant that others would not like it, would not be validated by it, that their false beliefs would not be included or accepted by Him.

And NO ONE has condemned you. WE HAVE accepted you here, respected you - and demanded that respect for you on the couple instances that it was not given. We just cannot validate what is not true.



Have you been told to listen to us? Or to Christ (if you so choose)? Are you being forced to shut up (as long as you are posting within the rules of the forum, that is), or are you here speaking?


The answers to those questions should say something to you.

If you have questions, then perhaps you should start by asking them, genuinely asking so as to understand... instead of simply accusing and making assumptions.

We are not your enemies Villagegirl. May you be given ears to hear the truth in this, and strength/faith enough to receive it.


Peace again,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

You're welcome. I couldn't NOT speak on that one.

Sometimes it might help if others read out loud what they are reading. Harder to miss what is being said then. Such as the reason that you WERE sharing your pearls.



Or those new commercials, if you've seen them... about the people with the terrible headache, but won't listen to anyone who tells them that it might be coming from the huge nail stuck in their forehead!

I think the commercial is hilarious, probably because there is so much truth in it.




Yes, to all. If 'you' can speak against what YOU know is false in the wts... then how can you take issue that others do the same thing with regard to other things/religions/beliefs/doctrines that they know is false?




And also to you, my sister!

Your servant, and sister, and fellow slave of Christ,
tammy

Sorry, but you've used up your pearl allotment, dear VG (peace to you!). Except... well, okay... I mean, EVERYONE deserves a response to THIS, including YOU:



I can only answer for MYSELF... I... would NOT "just say" such things... ESPECIALLY not if it's being presented as something it is NOT, as meaning something it does NOT, is NOT encouraging OR an interesting way, IMHO, of looking at the Body of Christ... nor do I SEE the "point." Because, you see, to say it IS... in such instances... or that I DO see a point (that I do NOT see)... would be... wait for it... LYING.

Now, I realize that SOME folks LIKE to have their ear "tickled." Told what they WANT to hear... versus what is TRUE. I am neither, nor am I one to tell others something just to please them/their ears. I ONCE was: I once was a Jehovah's Witness, and a LOT of what I "said' to people was just that: lies, falsehoods, misinterpretations, misleadings, VERY uninteresting stuff... just to "tickle" their ears.

When my Lord called me and asked if I would follow HIM, though, and I responded that, yes, I WOULD... I also vowed that I would NEVER, within MY strength, lie... as to God, Christ, the Bible, things regarding the spirit... and anything even remotely RELATED... EVER again. Because one of things he called me to DO was to "speak TRUTH with (all) others."

How can I say, "Yes, Lord! I will do YOUR will, including the part that calls for me to speak TRUTH!"... then turn right around and LIE?

Yet, that is what you're suggesting I do. Which, sadly, is why I CALL into question the "spirit" YOU claim to belong to, possess, be in union with. HOW, pray tell, can the One who is called the "Truth"... Who IS the Truth... whose mouth NEVER speaks what is false but ALWAYS what is upright... have led YOU to require such speech from ME? HOW CAN THAT BE??

I know that it cannot. That Christ could have never told you such a thing, to request others to tell you/others LIES... just to make you/others "feel good." HE never lied to make others feel good... nor did he ever tell his servants to lie to do so.

To the contrary, in contrast to your "suggestion", based on MAN'S false mantra that "if you can't say anything NICE, say nothing at all!"), HE has said to ME:

"If you can't say what is TRUE, child, say NOTHING (at all)!"

THAT is his instruction to ME, which he apparently hasn't shared with YOU... yet. And he demonstrated this very thing himself, on many occasions, when... as certain ones tried to trick him into sinning with his mouth... he either SAID what was true, EVEN if those listening didn't LIKE it (and often, they didn't!)... or he remained silent.

So, again, I don't know what "spirit" YOU (think you) are following, but the Spirit I follow... the HOLY One of Israel and HOLY SPIRIT, JAHESHUA, the Chosen One of JAH (MischaJah), who is the SON of the MOST HOLY One of Israel, JAH of Armies... would not have me lie... JUST to tickle someone's ears... or make them "feel good" (because they need to BE lied to in order TO feel good).

HOPEFULLY, you will grasp the sense of this last pearl. If not, well, then, all I can say is that perhaps we're back to that whole hypocrisy thing. AND... to a bit more truth about who it is you might NOT be following.

As before, peace to you. Truly.

YOUR servant... but a slave of Christ FIRST,

Shellamar

I am able to hear truth as well as you are. And so are 2.2 billion Christians
from all faiths all over this planet who are acceptable to Jesus whether you
like it or not. Because its not your agenda.

Millions and millions and millions of members of the Catholic Church,
are part of the Body of Christ. And millions more of all denominations.



Peace to you always dear VG...

Just from this brief comment it cannot hold up to Truth which is CHRIST. " I am the way, the TRUTH and the life"....therefore they show themselves not listening to him!

Jhn 13:35, 1 John 4, John 15:

Those that are part of the body that remain IN Him by union are told to love one another, be willing to surrender ones self on behalf of another, if one does NOT love, one does not KNOW the father,
because He IS love. He that remains in love, remains in union with God and God in him. And if one even hates his brother, he is a manslayer and originates with the devil.

History shows that besides not only hate but the terrible atrocities, murders and wars that have been done in the name of God and religion they have proven not to be true followers of CHRIST.
And the Catholics have blood stained hands as well as all the others. How can they who profess Christianity hold up to being joined to the body of CHRIST.

This is implying that CHRIST is a manslayer.

This is implying that CHRIST is a liar and so is His Father. Can't be, sorry!!!

So just by the simple Truth of Love, religion fails, and those that partake and or even just condone what they do proves they cannot belong to CHRIST.

May the peace of our Lord Jaheshua MischaJah be upon you and may you be given ears so as to hear Him...your fellow servant of CHRIST, Kim

Wow...this thread makes me sad on so many levels. Sigh.... I train dogs for a living and sometimes the dogs bite their owners in what is called "displaced aggression". This happens when the dog is upset about something else that he can't get to and turns on the nearest thing to him...often his human or a child nearby, or another animal he has no problem with. But he is so overwrought with emotion that it has to go SOMEPLACE and innocents get hurt. Then often the offended party lashes back in defense.

It hurts my heart to see my friends engage in such internal turmoil. Like an animal chewing its own foot off to escape.

I hope we have not lost our perspective...have not taken our eyes off the goal here for which sites like this exist.

hugs

Thank you for that, dear Loves (and peace to you!). Please... PLEASE... pardon MY (perhaps overreaching) zeal demonstrated in this thread. Some things got to me, as WELL as confused ME, as you can see. I apologize... to you AND to the other members/board for any alarm MY comments may have caused.

Sometimes, though, we are called to make a defense for our faith... as well as point out others' hypocrisy (as dear Paul did with dear Peter) in the HOPES it might serve to WAKE another UP. Some folks' "sleep" is SO deep sometimes that merely whispering in their ear isn't effective. And crooning a fairy tale lullaby only soothes them BACK and maybe into even DEEPER sleep.

Of course, slapping them... or dousing them with cold water... CAN work, but I wouldn't want that for myself.

So what's left? SOMETIMES a "heart"y shaking does the trick. Tender... but "heart"y enough to let the one know it's TIME... to wake up. Else, they're gonna "miss" something. Usually... it's something pretty important. Here, it's what you said: what THIS forum is about.

Again, MY sincere apology for... alarming... you.

Peace to you... truly.

YOUR servant and a slave of Christ,

Shellamar