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Happytobeout
PostPosted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 10:07 pm 
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I just watched the video, I was picturing that char'd hotdog splitting, and I was wanting a bun and some mustard!
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Happytobeout wrote:
I just watched the video, I was picturing that char'd hotdog splitting, and I was wanting a bun and some mustard!



You are a sick little butterfly LOL!!!!!! g:)

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Chariklo
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Justmom wrote:

It is written ...
To ALL those who profess to be " True Israel ". To those that prior to CHRIST were in a covenant with Jah through Moses, NOW it is to those that profess to be in the covenant with Jah through Christ and belong as virgins promised in marriage to CHRIST.

And Israel down to day has not . It is written so!
Stubborn, stiff- necked, rebelliousness, blind, dull in their senses and hearing and allowing themselves because of this to become enslaved by man ALL over again, when they are supposed to FREE as slaves to Christ ONLY!


Israel is scattered all over the world yes, but the WTBS is only one entity and a bad one that has captured and misled even the holy ones to the detriment of convincing them to become an antichrist as the corporation truly IS....by DENYING them access into the new covenant for a kingdom and allowing them to become themselves members of the body of CHRIST by partaking of His flesh and drinking His blood.

Remember Matthew 23:13 False scribes and Pharisees ( leaders and interpreters) he says WOE to you because you shut up the kingdom of the heavens before men , you yourselves do not go in and do not permit those on their way IN to go in."

Char can you THNK of another religion on earth that calls themselves Christian, believes to be the TRUTH, possess the only true annointed they feel as the 144,000 and yet DENIES and calls people apostate and disfellowships them when they want to proclaim THEIR OWN UNION WITH CHRIST!
They convince and talk them out of it everyday and every memorial season!

The blood guilt is quite heavy!
This is why Jah through His son calls out to them to " get out of her" (Revelation 18:4) Out of those that have this hold on them as His people so that he can once again free them and they can become his children again and his slaves and carry his load that is light and they can receive from HIM the free gift of the Holy Spirit to guide them.

Remember the warning " to quit touching that which is unclean, so that I CAN take you in as sons and daughters." So it is on us if we choose to or not. He does not make us!


I just don't take the same apocalyptic view of an end times that Jehovah's Witnesses do. The belief that modern events are literally foretold in sections of the Bible is a fundamentalist interpretation. The WTBTS brainwashes its members into thinking that only 144,00 are going to go to heaven, whereas Christ brought Good News that salvation is for everyone who believes in him. "Everyone who believes in Me will have eternal life".

The reason I'm here is because I could so easily have become one of those who are enthralled and enslaved by the Watchtower. Those members are constantly aware that any one of their own families might knife them in the back because, far more even than in Stalinist Russia, they all live in fear. I know, because it was in the process of being dinned into me when I woke up in shock and horror and realised the true nature of the organisation I was sleepwalking into. They don't know that God loves each person, that He has written each one's name on the palm of his hand. Isaiah 14:16. They do not understand that heaven is not for 144,000, everyone else who makes it through Armageddon (!) gets second prize and lives on Paradise Earth.

Here is just one up-to-date link to an appalling example of the twisted thinking that evil organisation results in.

http://ex-jw.com/child-abuse-and-jehovahs-witnesses

What was written for the nation of Israel was written for the nation of Israel. They disobey God because they are human beings and, no matter how committed we are to the Christ or to Jesus Christ, however we think of him, we are not perfect. We're just not. The only perfect person was and will be Jesus. Or Jaheshua, however you think of him.

Do you see where I'm coming from, justmom?

(Edit: I didn't expect to see a picture come up just because I included a URL! Looks like magic....Sparlock must be involved! :D )
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Armand
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Hi, Chariklo: You stated:

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"He has written each one's name on the palm of his hand. Isaiah 14:16."


I really like that, however, can you double-check your citation? I can't find the quote in that citation. Thanks.

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Chariklo
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Armand, thank you. My eyesight and my keyboard skills catch me out. It's Isaiah 49:16, sorry. It differs from translation to trandlation, and is variously engraved or written, some translations include name, some have it on the backs of God's hands.

Actually, when it came to my mind I thought it was from Daniel, not Isaiah, but I was wrong. I'm not sure which translation has the exact wording I gave, but that was how I learned it many years ago, and it made a big impression on me, and, alongside Christ's promises, gives me clear grounds for my faith.
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tec
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Char, isn't Isaiah 49:16 speaking of Israel also?

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Chariklo
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Yes?

I didn't say it wasn't. But I've always known it in the context of God's love for each one of us, and as an expression and illustration of that love.
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Hello Char, yes I do see where you are coming from as to the WTBS of course I do agree.

But since CHRIST as you mentioned opened up this wonderful opportunity for ALL not just physical Israel to become part of his body and bride and have Holy Spirit dwell in them personally....and this gathering began with HIM and continues until he arrives,...then the warnings and instructions that were written down would be there to identify those that would teach something other than this good news!
And YES I agree the WTBS is top on the list of those that teach otherwise.



Daniel 12:4
But you, Daniel, keep this prophecy a secret; seal up the book until the time of the end, when many will rush here and there, and knowledge will increase."


1 Corinthians 10:11
Romans 15:4

...All things written were written down afore time as a warning and example/ instruction for the end of ages so that we might have hope!

What might be the warning and what might be the instruction for all of us at the end of the ages?

Wasn't John given the Revelation as well to show him what HAD taken place, WAS taking place and what WILL take place in the future at the end of the ages or time or conclusion or last days?


Just a thought so that we can reason and identify some of the false Christs in the latter days.
And like I mentioned earlier....If the shoe fits.......


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Justmom /:)
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Armand
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Thank you, Chariklo. I love the quote. --Armand
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tec
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But I've always known it in the context of God's love for each one of us, and as an expression and illustration of that love.


I understand that.

But if the stuff that is spoken to Israel is only for Israel... then would that not also mean the good? And if the good can be carried forward to modern times, and clearly you believe so (as do I, so please do not get me wrong here) then why not the rest?


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Chariklo
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tec wrote:
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But I've always known it in the context of God's love for each one of us, and as an expression and illustration of that love.


I understand that.

But if the stuff that is spoken to Israel is only for Israel... then would that not also mean the good? And if the good can be carried forward to modern times, and clearly you believe so (as do I, so please do not get me wrong here) then why not the rest?


Peace,
tammy


Well, I do think the same as you, Tammy. I certainly do think that such prophecies are relevant to us....but not the specifics, necessarily. The general principles, yes, but I just don't believe in the sort of detailed predictions that the WT go in for.

I think I responded as I did earlier because I have an instinctive resistance to the way Israel is so often referred to and understood by the JW's, and the residue of that thinking that crops up from time to time. For instance, I hadn't personally encountered mention of "spiritual Israel" before dipping my toes into JW waters, so to speak, so I associate that concept with them and don't embrace those beliefs. But much of what you believe, Tammy, I do too. We differ radically on God's nature, for to me God is Father, Son and Holy Spirit, and most of you reject that. I am unclear whether or not you believe Jesus is God, but I emphatically do. And you don't believe the Holy Spirit is a Person.

However, in many other areas we think alike.
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Well, I do think the same as you, Tammy. I certainly do think that such prophecies are relevant to us....but not the specifics, necessarily. The general principles, yes, but I just don't believe in the sort of detailed predictions that the WT go in for.


I understand. I do believe the specifics can refer to us... but I do not believe that we can come to this by our own interpretation, as the wts does... or we end up LIKE the wts, in false prophecy.

But I do think that there are specific things in the end-time prophecies that apply to the end times. Understood by and through the Spirit, however, and not by our own reasoning. If He reveals it to someone, then that one can know it.

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I think I responded as I did earlier because I have an instinctive resistance to the way Israel is so often referred to and understood by the JW's, and the residue of that thinking that crops up from time to time. For instance, I hadn't personally encountered mention of "spiritual Israel" before dipping my toes into JW waters, so to speak, so I associate that concept with them and don't embrace those beliefs.


I can understand why you feel that way. The wts has taken some concepts and truths, and then twisted them so that they leave a bad taste in peoples' mouths. So that sometimes, maybe even just for a little while, some people reject things just because of how the wts twisted it... rather than just look at it on its own merit.

Spiritual Israel... as far as I understand... are those who are 'sons' through faith. Paul spoke of gentiles being grafted into the tree that was Israel. God is called the Most Holy One of Israel. Even in that verse that you quoted, reading a bit farther along, there is mention of gentiles coming IN.

The wts taints this simple truth, along with some others, and turns some people away from it.


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But much of what you believe, Tammy, I do too.


Yes!

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We differ radically on God's nature, for to me God is Father, Son and Holy Spirit, and most of you reject that. I am unclear whether or not you believe Jesus is God, but I emphatically do. And you don't believe the Holy Spirit is a Person.


Not to start a debate or anything, lol... but just so that you can be clear:

I do not believe Jaheshua is God.

I do believe the Holy Spirit is a person... that person being Christ.

So there is God, the Most Holy One of Israel - Jahveh.

Then there is Christ, the Holy One of Israel - the Holy Spirit - Jaheshua (known mostly as Jesus, and also often as Yeshua)


Peace to you,
tammy
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Romans 15:4

...All things written were written down afore time as a warning and example/ instruction for the end of ages so that we might have hope!

I think this scripture JustMom quoted is very relevant.

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Loz wrote:

Romans 15:4

...All things written were written down afore time as a warning and example/ instruction for the end of ages so that we might have hope!

I think this scripture JustMom quoted is very relevant.

Loz x



YES LOZ. I agree!
(((Smile ))). /:)

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tec wrote:

I can understand why you feel that way. The wts has taken some concepts and truths, and then twisted them so that they leave a bad taste in peoples' mouths. So that sometimes, maybe even just for a little while, some people reject things just because of how the wts twisted it... rather than just look at it on its own merit.
Peace to you,
tammy




Tammy thank you for that!

That is the point exactly and that causes many to struggle with ( and I understand why) ....
The concept and spirit of the message is there. Some just cannot get past thinking its ALL WTBS " lingo" or understanding and people already are so turned off of them they cannot see anything ( even if their is something Holy Spirit IS trying to reveal ) else!
Our lord still speaks to us and reveals to those seeking, knocking and asking , we just have to do as you mentioned and that is "... look at it for what it DOES say and let spirit interpret for you."


Thanks sis
Love Justmom /:)
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