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I can't access it.

Ataloa, where did you find it? Can you forward a new link? Thanks.

--Armand

Meh..
I`m agnostic..
Don`t believe in anything..I have no faith..I don`t pray..

Does it really matter what other people think of you?!..
If you guys want to pray,then pray..
Start your thread of prayer..
This forum was built as a sanctuary for all the believers..
It would be a shame to waste what you`ve been given..

As long as you don`t make some Showy Production/Display out of your prayers..
(It`s self serving,not to mention annoying..LOL!!..)
I don`t see what the problem is..
...........................................OUTLAW

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This should be it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcj1-XFqBiE



lol. No, it only matters what the Lord thinks, and if we're obeying His teachings.

Well I notice there is some hesitation..

The last thing I want..
Is for the Believers to be Uncomfortable on their Own Forum..
Figure out what you all think is appropriate and go for it..

.......................................OUTLAW

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OMG!!! Oh My God!!! Hay Dios!!! Balgame Dios!!!

I just saw this video. And I am floored that this was done INSIDE a Kingdom Hall!!! Wow! Just wow!

In my day, we had such gatherings and such performances, etc., but NEVER--NEVER--in a Kingdom Hall. THAT would have been anathema!

How things change and how things stay the same.

Nothing new under the sun.

--Armand

Yes yes my brother. They prevented all kinds of stuff in my kingdom hall in my day. Even things I thought were hospitable and love based. They emphasized that it is a place of WORSHIP not a social gathering of any kind. That is what Christendom does and we the WTBS are no part of it.

And here now we see it is a dancing parade with worldy music.

Ooh well, I am reminded personally to pray for them regularly. When my heart is aching for them all inside our Lord says, you must pray for these people.

Peace and love to you all, your sister and fellow slave of CHRIST Kim

Peace to you, all, and thank you, truly, dear tec, dear Zoe, dear Sher'f, and dear At... for your comments and thoughts! They are all truly appreciated!

I am not sure our dear Lord ever prayed in public, dear tec (peace, luv!), and that's not exactly what I'm thinking of here. He DID pray in others' hearing... but not on purpose. He would go some distance away, so that he could be private. He did pray FOR them, though; but if he was heard it was because someone (Mark?) probably followed him to see what he was "going to do."

Even so, and for any of you whose hearts are concerned, I wasn't really saying that anyone of us would pray FOR/on behalf of/in place of any others. I just felt like I needed to pray for those dear folks... that perhaps others might feel so, as well, and that maybe our COMBINED prayers would, I dunno, make a (different) difference. My Lord did not say I should... or lead me to do so. Nor did he say I couldn't/shouldn't/not to. I can't imagine that he would be "mad" if we DID... or even tell us NOT to. I don't think love would let him do that.

With all of that said, however, my love must extend to YOU dear ones, as well... and I would NEVER want to talk you into doing something that might cause YOUR consciences to stumble. Even a little bit. And I wouldn't want to disobey him (although, again, there is no law against love)... so, I'm good. Truly. I have said a prayer and will say another... and another, if need be and I feel compelled... and have no doubt you all will do as YOU feel compelled. And, in the end, it will turn out just as JAH wills. As it will regardless of what WE do... and whether we pray for those poor folks or not.

Please... forgive me... for raising the topic and causing ANYONE any concern or confusion. That truly was not my intent. I just felt... well, overwhelmed with pity for those folks because they haven't a CLUE, most of them, as to what's taking place. Or, if they do, they are SO lost and have NO idea where [else] to go... that they will just stay put, tolerate it, and "wait on 'Jehovah'."

But, then, neither did some of us when changes were taking place right under OUR noses (the turn over of power in 1972 in preparation for 1975... the lies since told to cover up THAT lie... the "no, you shouldn't go to school past high school and only that because it's the law" to... "we only want college grads at Bethel now"... and more). If we were blind... yet allowed at some point to... I have no doubt that those who turn to our dear Lord... which will mean them having to turn AWAY from the harlot... will be granted eyes, too. Whether they turn because of something WE share... them hearing our dear Lord speak to them himself... or for some other reason... is not on us.

Hopefully, when they DO wake up and turn away... they WILL turn to him... and not to some other harlot... or maybe even nothing and no one at all. Not knocking the latter. Just sad for the possible blessings they may miss out on as a result.

Please, let's just continue as we are... and please disregard my previous thoughts above.

I can think of a couple/few folks YOU know, dear 'Mom (peace, luv!) who might need to see this. Can you email some folks! LOLOL! I can see their eyes popping out of their heads as I type! LOLOLOL! 'Cause where YOU'RE from, well, heck... tank tops and shorts are a no-no! So, dancin'... in a KH??!! Oh, LORDY!! LOLOLOL!

Seriously, girl - you should show some folks what's REALLY going on in that "temple" (remember, what Ezekiel, who had NO idea, was shown? LOLOL! Not saying this is that, but I can see some having the same REACTION as dear Ezekiel did! LOLOL!).

Peace, my sistah!

YSSFS of Christ,

Shel

Ola sis and peace to you...

I sent one already yesterday. Will send another out to my brother in law. Talked to him this morning. He never mentioned anything BUT he was pleasant on the phone and thanked me for calling.

As far as this:


Please... forgive me... for raising the topic and causing ANYONE any concern or confusion. That truly was not my intent. I just felt... well, overwhelmed with pity for those folks because they haven't a CLUE, most of them, as to what's taking place. Or, if they do, they are SO lost and have NO idea where [else] to go... that they will just stay put, tolerate it, and "wait on 'Jehovah'."


I hear ya girl...

I know your intention was pure and out of love and pity for these people. They truly haven't a clue.
But the reminder for us all is very important to remember to pray on their behalf. The prayers of the holy ones are extremely sweet smelling to Jah and the prayers he answers. So for me personally, I need this as a reminder so that I can plead to Jah through Jaheshua for mercy and forgiveness on their behalf.
Thank you for sharing this ...

Love and peace, your sister and fellow slave of CHRIST, kim

By BIL (peace, luv!)... you talking about P?? Maybe?? Oh, I HOPE so! But you got a couple of 'em, so... LOLOLOL!

Peace!

YSSFS of Christ,

Shel

Yes, talked TO and sent the video to him! I sent one to my brother as well! Not sure how THAT will come across, but ooh well!

Peace, your sis Kim

Was John 17 a prayer that was overheard then, rather than given in front of the disciples? That makes sense, if so.


Even though I can now understand how someone might be compelled to offer up a prayer out of great love (or pity, or sorrow, or whatever, which also stems from love), including being overwhelmed to the point of praying then and there, even if just a quick prayer for mercy and/or forgiveness for someone(s). A sort of 'out of the heart's abundance' type thing. In such a case, then yes of course, we have the law love... as well as "I desire mercy, not sacrifice"... even if the person did act in error (though I am not sure that such would actually BE in error, since as has been stated there is no law against love)

So that is what I meant, and I hope that I did not cause anyone confusion with my words.


I watched some of the video. I did not spend any time in Kingdom Halls though (but I cannot imagine that there would be the 'need' for so many 'spankings' hushing bored children up if that is the way the meetings were taught that they should go, lol). Other than that observation, I leave the rest to all of you.


Peace to you all,
your sister and servant, and a fellow slave of Christ,
tammy

The beginning of John 18 can be confusing, dear tec (peace, luv!). After the last meal, our dear Lord traveled with the 11 to Gethsemane (the garden below the Mt. of Olives). John 15:31 On the way, he spoke to them. As he got closer, however, he flesh began to give him trouble... and so once there, he needed to pray. John does not depict this separation, but the other writers do:

Matthew 26:30-44
Mark 14:26-40
Luke 22:39-46

My understanding from my Lord is that he was overheard... by Mark, Peter's son (1 Peter 5:13)... who was following behind them (Mark 14:51, 52). Our dear Lord left with only 11 of his 12 disciples, yes... young Mark followed behind secretly. He was ALWAYS hanging as close as he could and so both our dear Lord... and Peter... knew he was around that night. When our dear Lord left the others (first, the 8, then James, John, and Peter), Mark followed him and over heard his prayer. It is written by Lazarus, because Mark told HIM what our dear Lord's prayer was. As a young man, he had impeccable recall.

When you read Mark's account, you are reading the account of his father, Kefas... AND Kefa's son... as told by the two of them and to the extent it hasn't been tampered with by scribes who haven't a CLUE as to what ANY of these men were writing about. Peter's contribution is as to what Mark was not privy to (for example, when our dear Lord was alone with the 12) and Mark as to what he learned by following.

When I asked why Peter did not stop Mark from following, our dear Lord said to me, "He tried, child, but I them STOP preventing the little children from coming to me. I could not take into the meal because a covenant was to be struck and only those who were to be party could be present. But our Lord knew he followed... and allowed it.

Please know, though, that contrary to what many believe... and teach... Peter's son, Mark... or "MarCUS"... is NOT the same one as "John" Mark.

I hope this helps!

Peace!

YSSFS of Christ,

Shel

That does help, thank you. And I can see it in the writing too, because while there is no break showing Christ going off to pray at the beginning of 17, at the beginning of chapter 18, when Christ finished praying, He left with his disciples. All the other gospels show that He had prayed (on his own), then left with his disciples.

I do not know what people teach about Mark, Peter's son, and John Mark, and the like... so no problem taking note that they are not the same ; )


Peace to you!
Your sister, and servant, and a fellow slave of Christ,
tammy

Oh, yes... and they can't even pass out cards to invite people to their own gatherings in their homes or even give gifts in the KH. Silly little rules...