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PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2015 5:42 pm 
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I came across this Video I thought was Friggin Hilarious..

It`s about a guy who goes to a JW Information Table..
He wants to know "What is the Bibles Good News?"..
He`s Funny..
He eventually leaves the JW`s Speechless.....Enjoy..

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Wow those 2 didn't want to discuss anything just sell literature. /they had no bible and they looked bored and uncomfortable with someone challenging them. LOL As usual they shut down and close their ears when someone ele preaches at them.


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Yes, I've seen a couple of those videos Outlaw, thanks for sharing! I know you put it up to show that the jws don't know the gospel and preach a different gospel, and that is true enough.

But I would like to comment on something else, and hope you don't mind.

Because unfortunately the man himself is not preaching the truth that he said he came over to give them. He has bought into at least one lie that he has been taught by others, who themselves do not know the truth. He can quote a verse and perhaps understand something of the gospel, but how can he claim to know Christ or God while preaching that God is going to punish all the non-believers (of Christ) by sending them to eternal hellfire?


There is no eternal hellfire torment for all those who do not believe in Christ. There is no eternal hellfire period. That is a lie told about God, so that God appears by that lie to be unrighteous, unmerciful, unjust.

So I am reminded of the truth behind this scripture:

"God's name is blasphemed among the gentiles because of you."

(I realize that Paul was speaking more about those who claim to be righteous or saved by the law (the Jews at the time, who Paul was speaking TO), all the while not obeying the law. But is it any different with those who claim to be saved by Christ but do not OBEY Him?)


But such lies also allow God's name to be blasphemed, and make Him out to be someone that people fear and hate and turn away from. People want no part of that - and who could blame them for that? But it is unfortunate that some believe the lies told about God - even though they reject Him - instead of searching for the truth of God - which is found IN, and who IS, Christ.



But as for the video, if you are going to preach to/at someone.... you should make sure that you are learning from and listening TO Christ, and not STILL men. Because all those jws needed to hear to be able to dismiss everything that man said, was him talking about people spending eternity in hellfire. I mean, what in the 'hell' is so good about THAT news?

But maybe the verse the man quoted will cause at least the young man to examine his religion and its teachings. One can hope, and that he will discover and HEAR that he should be listening to CHRIST.



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Zoe..
JW`s hate being preached to,they`re a contradictory bunch..
JW`s knock on peoples doors year round..
When kids knock on their door once a year for Halloween,they complain..LOL..

Tammy..
Your can say what ever you like!..
Considering this forum is filled with Christians,I wanted to get your view points about the Video..
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There is no eternal hellfire torment for all those who do not believe in Christ.....Tammy

Well that`s a relief..
I like warm weather but not HELLishly Hot.. LOL!!..

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Unfortunately, even the Bible is a bit vague about the definition of the good news. There's:

- the good news of the kingdom
- the good news about the Christ (
- the good news declared to Abraham ("By means of you all the nations will be blessed") (Gal 3:8)
- the good news of peace (Eph 2:17)
- the good news about the unfathomable riches of the Christ (Eph 3:9)
- the good news of God
etc.

When Christ was in the flesh, he went preaching the good news, and I can't imagine that what he preached that he died (or would die), was buried (or would be buried) and could forgive sins. The good news that he preached was that the Kingdom of God was near (or even in their midst). Most notably, the Bible does not tell us in-depth what it was that Christ preached. Nor does it go into a whole lot of detail about what Paul, Peter or anyone else actually preached, other than about the Christ. We don't know what was said to the jailer to convince him and have him baptized that very night. We don't know what was preached to Cornelius and his family. All we know is that they were preached to for a very short period of time before they were baptized. With the Ethiopian Eunuch, all we know is that the man was reading a passage from Isaiah and asked who it applied to. From there Philip preached "the good news about Jesus." (Acts 8:35).

Studying "good news" really shows that there are several things that the good news can be, all inter-related. Among them, however, was not that God's Kingdom was coming to solve all of man's problems. That is never stated in the scriptures. What is stated is that the good news has to do with God, the Kingdom, Christ and forgiveness of sins. I've struggled to put a definition to it myself. I would come up with something like:

God, through his grace, has set up a Kingdom and has made provision for the forgiveness of sins through this free gift for anyone willing to listen to and have faith in his son, the Christ. Christ died for all so that all could have forgiveness of sins, but not all will listen to and put faith in him. The good news for us is that salvation is possible and proof was furnished through the death, burial and resurrection of Christ.

If you have a better definition, please, do tell. Mine is simplistic, at best, I think.


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Tammy..
Your can say what ever you like!..
Considering this forum is filled with Christians,I wanted to get your view points about the Video..
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There is no eternal hellfire torment for all those who do not believe in Christ.....Tammy


Well that`s a relief..
I like warm weather but not HELLishly Hot.. LOL!!..

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Oh my goodness, my son described it as unbearable just being in LA in August a few years back, lol.


There IS the world of the dead (hades)... where all who are not in Christ go once they die. This is not a hellfire as mainstream Christianity preaches. The dead here are conscious of nothing (unless Christ is present) and they are certainly not burning in torment. It is the place where they 'wait' for the resurrection of the dead. At the second resurrection (the resurrection of the dead, of those IN the world of the dead), both the righteous and unrighteous will be resurrected. Some to life and some to judgment (and so the lake of fire).

The lake of fire is again NOT an eternal hellfire. The book of Revelation states in black and white what the lake of fire IS: the second death. (Revelation 20:14)



Mainstream or evangelical christianity (I don't know which, or what all everyone out there teaches, and sometimes it changes even for them) teaches that all those NOT in Christ (though they may make exceptions for those who never heard of Him), go to hell. Because God's 'wrath' remains on them, and I guess that hellfire is the consequence of this.

They teach this because they do not understand or know the Truth, themselves. Nor do they truly know God's mercy or His love. How can anyone in 'heaven' be at peace knowing that their loved ones are being tormented in hell for all eternity? What a horrendous lie about God is this hellfire teaching. The torment and anguish that people go through NOW because of it. Well, it is the same as the torment that jws go through regarding judgment and armageddon, even IF they leave the organization. That fear is still present.

Because that is what these religions RULE with: fear. That is their 'horn', their 'strength'.



But did Christ say that those who FEAR Him will obey Him?

"If anyone LOVES me, he will obey my commands. My Father will love them, and we will come and make our home with them."


And,

"He who is forgiven much, loves much."

Christ gave His life, his blood, so that we are forgiven. If Christ forgives us, then we are forgiven. So that we follow Him because we LOVE Him. NOT because we fear the alternative.

But this world (and the religions in this world) teach fear, rule with fear... and it can be scary (irony, I know) to let that fear go, and simply put all faith in Him.


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So on top of there being NO eternal hellfire torment, there are also more than Christians in the Kingdom.

There is Christ.

-There are those who belong to Christ - Christians, those who are anointed with holy spirit that HE has given them. And ALL Christians are anointed, although not all who call themselves Christian ARE Christian. Of those who belong to Christ - 144 000 are of the 12 tribes of Israel, and there is a great crowd that no one can count from EVERY tribe, nation, people, language, etc. These two reign as one with Christ a thousand years as kings/priests of the Kingdom.


-And there are the subjects of the Kingdom: the sheep (from the sheep and the goats parable at Matthew 25:31-46). There are those who were not the brothers of Christ, but who good to even the least of His brothers. These ones had the law (of love) written upon their hearts, and their deeds revealed this about them. These may be atheist, agnostic, members of some religion or none at all. What matters is that they did good to even the least of Christ's brothers, revealing by their deeds that they have the law (of love) upon their hearts.


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Then at the end of the thousand years, there is also the resurrection of the dead (both the great and the small, the righteous and the unrighteous) and this is the second resurrection. Some are resurrected to life and enter the Kingdom, and some are resurrected to judgment/second death, according to what they DID, as recorded in their individual books. These are also not those who are in union with Christ because all who belong to Christ are resurrected at the FIRST resurrection, and there is no judgment for them.


God may also have mercy upon whomever He chooses.

And of course all of Israel will be saved. (romans 11:26)

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So that which is translated 'hell' is most often translated from hades which means the world of the dead.


And as for those who are in Christ but who die before Christ returns, these ones go under the altar (Revelation 6:9), awaiting the first resurrection when Christ returns to gather all of His own.



Peace to you Outlaw, and to you all,
your servant, and sister, and a slave of Christ,
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Can't add a single thing to what dear Tams shared (peace to you, ALL!), but I do need to respond to your understanding, dear LQ (peace to you, luv!):

Unfortunately, even the Bible is a bit vague about the definition of the good news.

Not really, dear one. Let me show you:

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There's:

- the good news of the kingdom


The good news of the kingdom... is Christ.

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- the good news about the Christ


Yes, the GOOD news OF the kingdom... eye-ee... LIFE... eye-ee... CHRIST ("I am... the Life")...

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- the good news declared to Abraham ("By means of you all the nations will be blessed") (Gal 3:8)


That by means of CHRIST... who came to Israel THROUGH Abraham, and so by MEANS of Abraham... people of EVERY nation, tribe, and tongue would be kings and priests WITH Christ...

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- the good news of peace (Eph 2:17)


"The fruits of the spirit are... peace" (that spirit comes THROUGH and FROM Christ)...

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- the good news about the unfathomable riches of the Christ (Eph 3:9)


You say, ‘I am rich; I have acquired wealth and do not need a thing.’ But you do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked. I counsel you to buy from me gold refined in the fire, so you can become rich; and white clothes to wear, so you can cover your shameful nakedness; and salve to put on your eyes, so you can see

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- the good news of God


Again, Christ:

"For [b]God SO loved the world, that He gave His only-begotten SON that whoever exercises faith in HIM (that Son) shall not be DESTROYED but have everlasting life."[/b]

"... but the gift God GIVES is EVERLASTING life" (by MEANS of Christ)...

"I... AM the resurrection... AND the life. He who exercises faith IN me and has DIED (when I return) will be brought back to life (in the FIRST resurrection)... and he who exercises faith in me and has NOT died (when I return)... will NEVER die (but be changed)."

Is that not GOOD news, dear one? Indeed, GREAT... shoot, FANTASTIC... news??

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When Christ was in the flesh, he went preaching the good news, and I can't imagine that what he preached that he died (or would die), was buried (or would be buried) and could forgive sins.


But it WAS. He told the people the TRUTH: that HE was the provision SENT BY GOD... to SAVE mankind! And not only could he forgive sins, he DID ("Your sin HAS BEEN FORGIVEN!"). AND he not only told them that he would, that they would KILL him... but that he would not STAY buried ("Tear this temple down, and I will RAISE IT UP in three days!").

The good news that he preached was that the Kingdom of God was near (or even in their midst).

YES! That HE... was NEAR. RIGHT THERE! AMONG them! And that once he poured out the Father's (holy) spirit UPON and INTO them... HE... AND the Father... and thus the KINGDOM... would be IN them ("the kingdom is INSIDE you!"):

“Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home/dwelling/abide IN them."

"God does not dwell in HANDMADE temples."

"YOU are the TEMPLE of God."

"You also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through [Jesus] Christ."

"... you are no longer foreigners and strangers, but fellow citizens with God’s people and also members of his household, built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ [Jesus] himself as the chief cornerstone. In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple to God. And in him you too are being built together to become a dwelling in which God lives by his Spirit."


He literally TOLD them:

"I... AM THE DOOR. ENTER THROUGH ME. NO ONE comes to the Father EXCEPT... THROUGH... ME. HERE I AM. STANDING RIGHT HERE. COME!!!"

Most notably, the Bible does not tell us in-depth what it was that Christ preached.

Sure it does, dear one! In GREAT depth! Perhaps not WIDE (and shallow, like most religious teachings)... but VERY deep and in-depth! Even so, we don't have to go to the BIBLE to know what he preached: we can just ASK him. Even better, we can just LISTEN:

“To you, O people, I call out;
I raise my voice to all mankind.
You who are simple, gain prudence;
you who are foolish, set your hearts on it.
Listen, for I have trustworthy things to say;
I open my lips to speak what is right.
My mouth speaks what is true,
for my lips detest wickedness.
All the words of my mouth are just;
none of them is crooked or perverse.
To the discerning all of them are right;
they are upright to those who have found knowledge.
Choose my instruction instead of silver,
knowledge rather than choice gold..."


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Nor does it go into a whole lot of detail about what Paul, Peter or anyone else actually preached, other than about the Christ.


But what else WAS there FOR them to preach ABOUT? He was... and is... IT. As I've shared many times before, it is not about US. It was and is not about PAUL. It was and is not about PETER. Or James. Or John. Or Moses. Or Abraham. Or Isaac. Or Israel. Or Adham. Or Noah. it is ALL ABOUT HIM. Christ. The Son of GOD. EVERYTHING. ALL things (good and wise and prudent and excellent and beneficial and truthful).

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We don't know what was said to the jailer to convince him and have him baptized that very night. We don't know what was preached to Cornelius and his family. All we know is that they were preached to for a very short period of time before they were baptized. With the Ethiopian Eunuch, all we know is that the man was reading a passage from Isaiah and asked who it applied to. From there Philip preached "the good news about Jesus." (Acts 8:35).


This isn't entirely true, luv. We DO know what was said to Cornelius, at least what was IMPORTANT. And some of what was said to his family. And they received holy spirit which MOVED them to get baptized. And I believe I have shared here (or perhaps elsewhere but I believe here)... as to what transpired with the Ethiopian, and why. Because my Lord took me to that event and I watched it, which I shared with the Body.

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Studying "good news" really shows that there are several things that the good news can be, all inter-related.


I have to disagree. Studying ALL of several things, one can only RIGHTLY conclude that it can be... and is... one thing and one thing only: Christ, the Son of God. Without him... there is no good news of the kingdom. Because all that WOULD be good as to the kingdom is only BECAUSE of him. It CANNOT be GOOD news... WITHOUT him. Because then... it would be the LAW, which Law led to death and destruction, yes?

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Among them, however, was not that God's Kingdom was coming to solve all of man's problems. That is never stated in the scriptures. What is stated is that the good news has to do with God, the Kingdom, Christ and forgiveness of sins.


Which all lead to... everlasting lie. But NOT as THIS system of things is. Because THIS system belongs to the Adversary. And those who [want to] belong to IT... belong to HIM. God's kingdom... is no part of THIS world. As it's king is no part of it.

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I've struggled to put a definition to it myself. I would come up with something like:

God, through his grace, has set up a Kingdom and has made provision for the forgiveness of sins through this free gift for anyone willing to listen to and have faith in his son, the Christ. Christ died for all so that all could have forgiveness of sins, but not all will listen to and put faith in him. The good news for us is that salvation is possible and proof was furnished through the death, burial and resurrection of Christ.

If you have a better definition, please, do tell. Mine is simplistic, at best, I think.


That not only is simplistic, but VERY good, my dear brother! Excellent, actually! However, it falls short (but only slightly), for one reason. And I hope your heart didn't take offense at me stating so. But let me explain. It falls (slightly) short because... it can be used to take attention AWAY from Christ, and put on oneself. How do I mean? I mean, many, in reading your definition (and I have heard others state similar)... will believe that they can gain everlasting life merely by "listening" to and having "faith" in His Son. This is true, of course, to the extent such one understands what it means TO listen to and have faith in the Son.

Most.however, don't. Most... ga-millions, even... believe that listening means reading the Bible and "listening" to IT. Or to a priest, pastor, GB member... pope... NOT, though, to Christ LITERALLY. Because they don't believe he SPEAKS. They certainly don't believe they should keep their gaze on him ("How do you keep your gaze on someone you can't SEE??!").

And so they look... at the Bible, their priest, pastor, elder, GB member, pope... selves... to "see." And "listen."

There is a SURPASSING way, however, that will allow one to HEAR that Son when he speaks AND put faith in him... and so DO the things he says (as well as SEE him, if such one TRULY wishes to). That way... is love.

Love for the Father, and so because of the Father's love for him, for the Son. Love for the Son, and so, because of the Son's love for Him, for the Father. And love... for our own flesh (ourselves, our spouses, our children, our brothers)... our friends... our neighbors... strangers... and even our enemies... BECAUSE of the FATHER's and SON's love for such. While it does not cover to the extend of Christ's blood... it is love... that can put us in line to RECEIVE the benefits of Christ's cleansing... saving... blood: the holy spirit of God, which He granted TO Christ... to give to others and to save mankind.

Through LOVE, we can "see" someone... KNOW them... even if we've never laid eyes on them. Because we KNOW them. We know them... because we LOVE them.

And when we love someone... TRULY love them... we listen to them. Love is not only blind... but gives us AMAZING "sonar" capabilities. Like a mother or father who can hear their child's voice among all the kids on the playground. Or... a child... who can hear his father's call... among all of the other voices... in a crowd.

Hence, Christ said:

"MY sheep KNOW my voice, and THEY LISTEN to ME."

They know his voice... and listen to him... because they KNOW and LOVE him.

And he knows and love them. Which is why he calls HIS sheep... by name. John 10:1-5

Peace to you and your dear household, dear, dear LQ!

YSSFS of Christ,

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I don't disagree with most of what you said, except this:

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Unfortunately, even the Bible is a bit vague about the definition of the good news.


Not really, dear one. Let me show you:

You are so, so right. What I meant by my statement when I wrote it wass that there isn't a clear definition of the good news in
the Bible. There's nothing that says, 'The good news is ...' followed by a clear, concise description.

That's what I thought, at least. I'm actually wrong. There actually is a concise description. It's found in Acts 13:32-41.

So we are declaring to you the good news about the promise made to the forefathers. 33 God has completely fulfilled it to us, their children,
by resurrecting Jesus; just as it is written in the second psalm: ‘You are my son; today I have become your father.’ 34 And the fact that He
resurrected him from the dead never again to return to corruption, He has stated in this way: ‘I will give you the expressions of loyal love
promised to David, which are faithful.’ 35 So it also says in another psalm: ‘You will not allow your loyal one to see corruption.’ 36 David, on
the one hand, rendered service to God in his own generation, fell asleep in death, was laid with his forefathers, and did see corruption.
37 On the other hand, the one whom God raised up did not see corruption.

38 “Let it therefore be known to you, brothers, that through this one a forgiveness of sins is being proclaimed to you, 39 and that from all
the things from which you could not be declared guiltless by means of the Law of Moses, everyone who believes is declared guiltless by
means of this one
. 40 Therefore, watch out that what is said in the Prophets does not come upon you: 41 ‘Look at it, you scorners, and be
amazed, and perish, for I am doing a work in your days, a work that you will never believe even if anyone relates it to you in detail.’


By this definition, the good news is not future. It's past. God has already "completely fulfilled" it. And by means of this good news, we can be declared guiltless.

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And when we love someone... TRULY love them... we listen to them. Love is not only blind... but gives us AMAZING "sonar" capabilities. Like a mother or father who can hear their child's voice among all the kids on the playground. Or... a child... who can hear his father's call... among all of the other voices... in a crowd.

Best description I've read to date!


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Wonderful thoughts you all, LOVE this!

" The good news is not future, it's past. God ( Jah) has completely fulfilled it"...

By means of CHRIST ( Jaheshua) ...

AMEN!!!

Peace and Love to you all, your sister and fellow slave of Christ, Kim


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By this definition, the good news is not future. It's past. God has already "completely fulfilled" it. And by means of this good news, we can be declared guiltless.


Which good news is Christ, yes!

And by means of this CHRIST, we can be declared guiltless.


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I think I understand what you mean when you say the good news is past, Leaving... because God already sent CHRIST, yes, and so God has already fulfilled His promise. The good news is not something we have to wait for in the future. And the wts always harps on the good news of the kingdom being something for in the FUTURE.


I would just clarify, for anyone who might read 'past' and see 'done and over with'. Yes the good news of the Kingdom (Christ) came in (our) past... the good news of the Kingdom (Christ) is still here NOW. Because Christ LIVES now, and always.

I know that you know this, my brother, of course. Just clarifying. It could just be me who misunderstood.


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I love everything that Shelby shared above also. I too have struggled to put an actual once sentence definition to this. I could speak to all manner of good news things... and what the good news means for us. But as Shelby said above, none of those things are possible without CHRIST.

And what (or rather who) is it that we 'preach'/bear witness TO?

To Christ of course. That Christ LIVES. That Christ SPEAKS. That Christ calls out and says to anyone thirsting and anyone who wishes, to "Come... take the free gift of the water of LIFE!" That Christ is the Living Spirit. Here and now and always. That Christ is the Truth, the Life, the Way.

And it is through Christ... that we receive forgiveness; through Christ, that we receive life; through Christ, that the kingdom is within us (because Christ and His Father have come and made their home with(in) us), and through Christ that we come to the Father; and through Christ that we are adopted as sons of God.


There is no good news without Christ.


Christ is the good news of the Kingdom.



Peace and love to you all, as Christ gives these,
your servant, and sister, and fellow slave of Christ,
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I would just clarify, for anyone who might read 'past' and see 'done and over with'. Yes the good news of the Kingdom (Christ) came in (our) past... the good news of the Kingdom (Christ) is still here NOW. Because Christ LIVES now, and always.

Correct... and you got what I was trying to say.

Noteworthy, too, "God completely fulfilled it to us, their children." That is, the children of the forefathers. Or, more specifically, the "children by the promise".
It would be worth reading Romans 9 in connection with this, and Galatians 4:21-31.


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[Disclaimer: Before you read, please know, I am NOT shouting. I am... EXUBERANT. FULL of holy spirit, right now, as I engage in this discussion. So, please, know that absolutely NO offense is intended. I just can't help it...]

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the good news is not future. It's past. God has already "completely fulfilled" it.


YES!! YES!! YES!! "IT... HAS... BEEN... ACCOMPLISHED" (peace to you ALL!). We keep looking to and worrying about what God WILL DO for us... rather than at what He ALREADY HAS DONE. Done... before any of US were even blink in our respective parents' attraction to one another. Or THEIR parents'... or THEIR parents'... BEFORE ABRAHAM...

And that is the POINT... the GOOD news! We shall not BE saved. If we exercise faith in... and so LISTEN to the One SENT... BY God... TO save us... WE ARE ALREADY SAVED. NOT because we're tall. NOT because we're good looking. NOT because we're smart. NOT because we're humble. NOT because we're clean (in appearance, dress, etc.). NOT because we have good manners. NOT because we go to church... out in field service... eat and drink bread and wine... wash feet... give to the poor... love our neighbor...

BECAUSE... GOD CANNOT LIE... and so, because WE LISTEN to and KEEP OUR GAZE ON... the One He GAVE... TO save us. The One who gave HIS life TO save us. It was all played out... BEFORE WE GOT here! And I don't mean before we were born (in the flesh). I mean... before the SEED was "thrown down." BEFORE the founding of the physical creation! All WE need to do is put our steps where HE tells us to.

And so our salvation is not because we love our neighbor. It is because we love HIM... and HE... SAYS... we must love our neighbor. And our enemy. We DO what we do because we LOVE the One who TELLS us to do these things. Unlike "the nations", WE... are NOT a "law unto" ourselves. WE are part of a NEW Law... and the COVENANT that "binds" us TO it. That Law says we must love JAH with our WHOLE heart, soul, mind, and strength. Can we truly say we love HIM... if we don't even LISTEN to Him? And HE said:

"This is my Son, the beloved. Listen to HIM."

We can try, all day long... all of our entire lives... to understand "things." To know "things." To know what all of the minutae and details and dicta and whats and what nots and do's and don'ts... all we want. NONE of it will matter. The ONLY knowledge that will MATTER is:

"Knowing the TRUE God... AND the One whom [He] sent FORTH."

And THAT One said:

"If you have seen ME, you have seen the FATHER."

Why? Because he IS the Father? God? No. Because he is the IMAGE of the Father, the EXACT representation of the Father's BEING.

It doesn't matter if we know what Peter said to Cornelius. Or Noah said to his sons. Or Abraham said to Isaac. Or Christ said to the disciples. What MATTERS... is KNOWING... CHRIST. The One who will say, to those who say to HIM, "Lord, Lord, didn't we... in YOUR name"?...

"Get AWAY from me... I NEVER KNEW... YOU."

He never knew such ones... because he was never IN UNION with such ones. Nor they, with him! There was no INTIMATE knowledge, by means of SPIRIT... like when a man "knows" a woman... in the FLESH. Folks may know OF him, but that is NOT the same as KNOWING him. Or he, them.

Which is why we are not to worry... about ANYTHING... but SEEK... FIRST... THE KINGDOM. Christ IS that kingdom... come! Not in full, but enough so that it's coming in full IS CERTAIN.

And by means of this good news, we can be declared guiltless.

Smile. By means of Christ, yes, dear, dear LQ (peace to you, luv!). By means of CHRIST... we can be declared guiltless. Truly... there is NO OTHER... WAY:

"I... am the WAY... and the LIFE."

It is ALL about HIM. ALL. About HIM. He gave his LIFE, so that we MAY live (forever). In return, His Father, the MOST Holy One of Israel, JAH of Armies, has counted HIM... and HIM ALONE... as WORTHY. And so, WE... must... KISS... the SON. EVERYTHING is about HIM. Heralding HIM. Listening to HIM. Glorifying HIM. Having faith... in HIM.

But not forgetting that HE said (and so we should OBEY)... that the FATHER... is GREATER... than him, and to the Father ALONE we are to render sacred service.

If this is hard to fathom, one only need think of Joseph... and Pharaoh. At that relationship. Joseph was THE most powerful man in all of Egypt. Second to NONE... EXCEPT Pharaoh. All that was PHARAOH's... Pharaoh GAVE... to JOSEPH. Joseph, however, never TOOK anything FROM Pharaoh; to the contrary, he taught (and demanded of the people) that they LOVE and HONOR Pharaoh. In turn, PHARAOH, told the people that they HAD to listen to Joseph and to not do so constituted them not listening to HIM.

Joseph was NEVER higher than Pharaoh - he had power over EVERYTHING... and EVERYONE. EXCEPT... Pharaoh. THAT power, Pharaoh held to HIMSELF. But everything and everyone ELSE... was under Joseph. THEN, if you wanted to prove your love for PHARAOH, then you had to bow down before the man PHARAOH put OVER you.

No difference here: if you truly love God, then you will BOW DOWN before the One He has put over us. If you TRULY lover your father, you will submit yourself to whomever he puts over you. It is MUCH easier, though, if you LOVE the one PUT over you, as well.

Pardon my zeal, all. Very nice day today. Work was nice, weather was nice, pups were nice, dear hubby is wonderful... and so I'm still on a "high." Nothing special - just another day to live... and glorify God and Christ!

Peace to you ALL!

YSSFS of Christ,

Shel


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2015 10:49 am 
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Good Morning you all and peace to you this beautiful day.....


I hear you and I feel you my sister, and a big Amen to all that you shared.

So glad your day was wonderful, thank you for your passion in everything your shared from The One and only Holy Spirit which is our Lord Jaheshua MischaJah.

And may any who wish be given ears and eyes to to 'hear' and 'see'... HIM!...

And " take lifeswater which is Holy Spirit...which IS HIM and comes from HIM which is FREE!

All one has to do is truly " want to."

Love, Peace and blessings to you ALL, your sister and servant of Jaheshua MischaJah, Kim


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Peace! May you ALL have Peace as our Lord gives it.

You know how the Witnesses ALWAYS say, and promote, and advertise, and . . . and . . . and . . . whatever else they do about BEING one of Jehovah’s Witnesses—how utterly important that IS . . . that IS to them.

Well . . . we must ever remember and not forget that Jah our Heavenly Father said this TO the nation of Israel: “You are my witnesses, and I am God.”

It is equally important to know and remember what the Anointed of Jah, Jaheshua, said:

“You will be witnesses of me.” (Acts 1:___)

When do JWs every say they witnesses for or to Jaheshua? Just as important as Witnesses proclaim they are witnesses for Jehovah, we must proclaim and make public declaration and be witnesses for Christ, even more so than the witnesses ever do it for Jehovah. Way more. . . .

Jah has said: “Kiss the Son.” Our witnessing to and for Jaheshua—what better way to kiss him than to proclaim him and obey him---what better way?

Peace!

--Armand


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Amen, all of you!


Thanks for starting this great thread Outlaw!

Peace and love to you all,
your servant, and sister, and fellow slave of and witness TO Christ, the Holy One and Holy Spirit, Jaheshua, the Chosen One of Jah,
tammy


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