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PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2015 8:21 am 
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From RANDY WATTERS, FREEMINDS.ORG:http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/332820005/steve-hassans-seminal-book-on-mind-control-now-on-amazon-download-kindle-etc-now

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And the pedophile issue, just begun. Barb Anderson is hiding her expose' of two major factory overseers who took young Bethelites way back in the factory and raped them systematically. She asked me not to tell of this, because she was wring a book, but trhese were MY OVERSEERS DIRECTLY, and they ruined some of our boys. TOO SICK TO KEEP QUIET when you are selectively choosing one part of a very ugly picture.

Sorry, Barb, I swore not to tell anyone, but a mother does not hide the rape of her children for years while you drag out the time to put it into print. It is dispicable to keep that a secret so you can write a book in my opinion. These were my two main overseers in the factory above me!! I had no idea of the sexual filth that went on there, as I just never came across it. Then you DENY you ever discovered such information in the old dusty back corners of the factory. For SHAME!! Unless you have a very good explanation of hiding and shielding one kind of molester and not another. These were TOP factory overseers. both dead now. One jumped out a 6th floor window of the factory. One called his wife "Mike."

It is unlikely you will respond to this yourself, as you don't like controversy and loved to berate your competition like Bill Bowen, so you were always THE SPOKESPERSON on the pedophile issue. Yet in was a girl out here named Cynthia who helped bring these out in the open, and you never gave her any credit. We spent hours on the phone several times talking about this several years ago, when Bill Bowen was beat to a pulp by criticism you often begun. Well you are not so guiltless yourself, apparently.

Sorry, these were my boys, and the thought of it cannot be kept silent any more. Is it still going to be in your new book(s)? If it isn't, I will speak out. It is criminal in my opinion to hide such a horrible truth for years now. Well NOW THE REST OF YOU KNOW. I can't vouch for the truth of what she told me, but it was always quite detailed and for hours at a time. It made me sick. You bear a great responsibility for your silence!

Let's see if she ever addresses this... I challenge you, my dear girl. You won't silence me on it. I feel a partner in crime for keeping my mouth shut. These were MY FELLOW WORKERS. You have the names and who did it. Spit it out or be bloodguilty, unless you were plain lying to me. You have already been playing it down as if I am mentally ill or something and she never told me such a thing. NO, NO, NO. Don't lie to people. It is dispicable.

I have been debating saying this for several years now, but you are not coming forth with it. You had access to all the drawers of files and records in the Bethel home. And your politics for personal fame that cripple the work of others like Bill Bowen is dispicable. You would be a perfect Bethel elder (ette),

I'd like to see you deny you told me all of this.. it is damning. And don't tell people I am "mentally ill", or you will show you never left Witness tactics.

OK, sorry folks, but I thought long and hard over the last 2 years about keeping this a secret for her new book's benefit, but this is far more important than sales of some book.

OK, I'll get off Barb's back. But don't believe her if she tells you I am making this up. It was very shocking to me, and she told the story to me in various parts over several one-hour phone conversations over 2 years ago. My mind works just fine... perhaps better than yours.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2015 9:13 am 
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Wow! That is shocking!


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I don't understand what that is or who said it. I find it very jumbled. Is it the mother of the boys who said that? Did she agree to silence until Barbara wrote the book and is now changing her mind? No judgment from me on that if this is the case... I can understand not being able to keep silent on that, and I can understand anger over being lied about, if she is not lying.


That being said, I would not be considering anyone to be guilty here on the basis of this excerpt, especially without hearing from both sides. Maybe it is true. Maybe it is not true. I do not know. Honestly, I also do not know or follow Barbara Anderson, and so for me, this matter is between them, the parties involved.

I get that this would mean more to some of you though. But an accusation of wrongdoing does not mean that someone is guilty of wrongdoing.


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I would also like to make a couple more statements on this thread.

One, this forum is for Christ. Which means that this forum is for Truth.

This forum is not about judging... or throwing the first, second or ANY stone at anyone. Especially with regard to ruining an innocent person's reputation.


So two... what I am able to speak to on this topic, from personal experience, is this:

Two years to write and get a publisher, edit, and get a book to print... is nothing. If you are going to publish something on your own, then perhaps you could get that done in one year or even less, but I have no experience in that arena.

To go the route of a publishing company, their slate/schedule for publishing books can be filled two years in advance (sometimes more, sometimes less). I am sure that they can move that around if they really want to get something out there so as to capitalize on a current issue. But two years AFTER getting a publisher, to when your book is in print and in stores, is completely acceptable. Certainly for a first time author.

There might also be legal aspects to something like this, and for sure if it is illegal in any way, the wts is going to pursue that.

I hope that addresses what I can with regard to two years of waiting to write and publish a book. That is not unreasonable at all. So if the timing is the reason for the accusation, then hopefully the above sheds some light on how long it can take to get published.


As for the rest, accusations do not = guilt. Refusing to respond to accusations does not = guilt. (whatever that guilt is supposed to be about)


Personally, I think this should have been dealt with between the two parties who each agreed to maintain silence until a book is written. I don't care about the issue... at all. Same as I did not care about other scandals that have broken out in the xjw community over the past few years.


But as long as this is out there, and being discussed in this section of the forum, please know that there will be no personal attacks on this forum against the person being accused (perhaps falsely). Unfortunately, allegations and rumors are often all that it takes to ruin an innocent person's reputation. And if you have ever been on the other end of unproven and false accusations, then you will know this firsthand.

Quite honestly, I would have just skipped over that and dismissed it if I had come across it on my own. I don't get involved in these scandals. I don't care about these scandals. I care about Christ, Truth, and doing the work He has given me.

And even if a person doesn't have faith in, or believe in Christ... there is still that whole 'innocent unless proven guilty' thing that we would WANT to be applied to us if we were accused of something. So hopefully, anyone discussing this matter can remember at least that.




And if this is a matter of contention between two people over something to do with Bill Bowen (I do not know who that is, I also do not care), then it has no place on this forum. Because it would be a matter of contention between two people who are not members ON this forum. If this is something to do with the wts, then yes, it is acceptable to be discussed. So we'll see how it goes.




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May you all have peace!

This is interesting, but actually not really. The matter SEEMS interesting... because it SEEMS to be something I am not sure it is, on two fronts:

First, although it comes off as a "Watchtower scandal," it's really more about a dispute between two individuals on another forum ABOUT a(n alleged) Watchtower scandal. As such, simply the details of the alleged scandal COULD have been posted (if absolutely necessary... and I'm not entirely sure it was)... without needing to drag the dear folks here into the mess, even as part of the "peanut gallery." While I realize that such offerings tend to induce much titillation and salivation on numerous other sites, I personally think the dear folks here deserve better than that. Hopefully, they think so, too, as well as that they are better than stooping to form opinions... and pass judgment... as to the claims, both as to the alleged holding back of information AS WELL AS the alleged acts committed at the WTBTS headquarters... at least until such are fully substantiated, if not forever.

Second, and here is where it WOULD be interesting, but I'm not sure it truly is, I would take GREAT care here as to the assumption of "pedophilia." I mean, while there very well may have been rape occurring, I am not sure "young Bethelites" would meet the LEGAL definition of "children." I could be wrong but my understanding is that one had to be at least 17-18 to "go to Bethel." If that's correct, then there were no "children" involved. And no children... no "pedo"philia. Again, not saying no one was raped. Just saying... not children. And actually think court of law would throw out rape given the... ummmm... let's say "exploratory nature" of young people... men... at that age... and a bit older... and the failure on their part to report it (although, the fear of stigma at that time might be a mitigating factor).

But pedophilia... I'm not so sure.

Of course, I am not at all surprised that a former JW would make this ASSUMPTION - that young people being raped (if indeed they WERE raped - not saying they weren't, just saying)... were victims of pedophilia. Like ACTIVE JWs, many tend to throw out/use terms that are totally incorrect for the circumstances. But of course, they do this because they "know." Well, because they have to SOUND like they know... because that's what they're harlotous mother does and has taught THEM to do.

Not sure this involved pedophilia... and perhaps THAT'S why no claim has come forth before now.

Careful, dear ones: a lot of judging is based on gossip. And gossip is usually based on rumor... and rife with falsehoods and/or misinformation/mistatements.

Keep your gaze on Christ... and not on the harlot's dirt. Otherwise, you might end up with straw in your eyes. Or maybe even a rafter.

Peace to you, all!

YSSFS of Christ,

Shel


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