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I understand, dear Zoe (peace, dear lady!). Hopefully, my last comments made some things clearer? If not, please let me know where you have questions/concerns? Even better, take your questions/concerns to Christ and ask HIM to show you the truth? You will get accurate responses doing the first... but fare MUCH better with the second because HE will lead you... and much further, I have NO doubt.

Again, peace to you!

Your servant and a slave of Christ,

Shel

It seems a stretch to me to hear that Christ goes back to the world of the dead, and gives them the opportunity to repent and put faith in him. I mean, my thinking of death is that their "thoughts do perish" and "the dead know nothing at all." (Psalm 146:4; Eccl 9:5) But, then, I am reminded of Rev 6:9-11:

When he opened the fifth seal, I saw underneath the altar [u]the souls of those slaughtered because of the word of God and because of the witness they had given. They shouted with a loud voice, saying: “Until when, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, are you refraining from judging and avenging our blood on those who dwell on the earth?” And a white robe was given to each of them, and they were told to rest a little while longer, until the number was filled of their fellow slaves and their brothers who were about to be killed as they had been.[/u]


... and second, third, fourth... tenth! LOL!!!

While I can see that perhaps giving those there an opportunity to repent might seem a stretch, we do have John's revelation to tell us that he at least goes back to OPEN the pit, yes? Revelation 9:1 So we can know he goes back.



Let me ask you: which is MORE important to God and Christ - judgment? Or mercy? Which would be merciful? To ignore those there who (1) had no chance put faith in him (because the good news hadn't reached them before they died), and/or (2) are the sons of Abraham who did not put faith in him? Or to give them a chance to do so? If he did it for those of Noah's day... and NOAH preached about him, yes, because he was a "preacher of RIGHTEOUSNESS"... where is the justice, if NOT mercy... in not doing so for those after?

If God does not want ANY to die (be destroyed), would He not give opportunity as Christ suggests COULD have been done... in the parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus? Did not that Rich Man repent? True, he still had to go to the world of the dead... but the resurrection had not occurred yet. Should we assume the Rich Man is resurrected to judgment? On what basis? If he, even though dead, PUT FAITH in Christ... would that not grant him a resurrection to LIFE?

Now, I get it - we all have some strongly entrenched things in us... including what WE believe is "righteous" judgment. But we're supposed to be looking for MERCY... for ALL... yes? But let's look at what you state next, because I think this might be why you believe he WOULDN'T go/it CAN'T be done:



This is TRUE. BUT... is not Christ THE LIFE? When he took me there, those who were (asleep in) death WOKE UP. Not enough to stand up, to have thoughts, to live (again) but just enough to ask the question (whether whatever it is they had been waiting for - and they didn't even have enough life in them to know they HAD been waiting... or WHAT it was they were waiting FOR). Just enough to (barely) ask... then fall back asleep when "it" was not. Why did they wake up? Because... HE IS THE LIFE. Where GOD is... LIFE is. And so, now, with Christ... where HE is... LIFE is. Thus, it was HIS PRESENCE... his DYNAMIC ENERGY... that brought (enough) LIFE into that place so that those there "woke up", even if just for a second.

Like... I KNOW... like a magnet. You know, how you pass a magnet over some metal shards and they all "rise" up? Like that! Because of the ENERGY coming from the magnet, the SHARDS move. SAME THING: because of HIS "life force"... THEY woke up! Just a tad. Because he didn't turn ON his "life" FULL force. Another way to describe it is like a geiger counter. You how the noise level rises as the counter gets close to metal? And the needle moves? Then, as you pull further away the noise decreases, needle stops moving? Because of the "energy force" between the detector and the metal it is seeking? Like that, maybe. More like the magnet, though, but there's no life in metal. When it MOVES, though, BECAUSE of the magnet's FORCE... it "comes alive" in a sense. Like that.



YES! YES!!!!!!! When HE OPENED the seal! It was the same then: I couldn't have gotten into (or OUT of!) that world without HIM. HE OPENED the way for ME. I realized they had BEEN asleep but were "looking" at me when I stepped in. They COULD "look" at me, because they were AWAKE... because HIS presence AWAKENED them. YES!!

Somewhere it is written, dear one. Maybe not in the Bible... maybe in the Bible and none of us have seen it (there) yet. But it is written because he SAID... ALL that he tells me... IS written (somewhere).

Don't be surprised, then, if in your reading YOU are chosen to "find" it! If so, PLEASE share it with us here!

Peace to you!

YSSFS of Christ,

Shel

Greetings to you all and may you have peace,

I would like to share some thoughts on this subject that I heard from our Lord today as well as what our Lord gave dear Shelby and I in our phone discussion.

We know CHRIST has been given all authority in heaven and on earth. And he has been given " KEYS "...the KEYS to death and hades.

He is also the one spoken of in Revelation 9 that has the KEY to the Abyss or Tartarus ( representing dense darkness).

And as Shelby shared,
And While I can see that perhaps giving those there an opportunity to repent might seem a stretch, we do have John's revelation to tell us that he at least goes back to OPEN the pit, yes? Revelation 9:1 So we can know he goes back.


And yes, what I heard from my Lord this morning is that he not only goes back and opens this pit but he RELEASES them!
This same pit that has been holding those wicked spirits ( These would include the angels at the flood that forsook their proper dwelling place and... the demon named Legion( meaning many) that went into the swine. (Luke 8:27-33, Mark 5:1-17)
They are allowed to come down to the earth and torment for a time given them.

"I saw a star descend from heaven to the earth. The star had been given the key to the pit of the Abyss. When he opened the Abyss, smoke rose from it like the smoke from a gigantic furnace. The sun and sky were darkened by the smoke from the Abyss. And out of the smoke locusts came down on the earth and were given power like that of scorpions of the earth. They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any plant or tree, but only those people who did not have the seal of God on their foreheads.[color=#8000FF] They were not allowed to kill them but only to torture them for five months[/color]. And the agony they suffered was like that of the sting of a scorpion when it strikes. During those days people will seek death but will not find it; they will long to die, but death will elude them".


These wicked spirits that come down are part of the army that becomes Magog. Magog with Gog (the goats cut off from entering the kingdom) that circle the camp of the holy ones at the end of the 1,000 year reign and are along with Satan when fire comes down out of heaven ( which is Armaggedon) and DESTROYS them ALL!
Remember they had been reserved for judgement, but still MUST be destroyed. It is the fire from Jah at this time that destroys them as spirits.

Since The "pit" of the "abyss" is the LOWEST part of the world of the dead. "Tartarus." It is where the spirits of SPIRIT beings (not mankind) are confined: in dense darkness (and thus FURTHEST away from JAH's glory/light/dynamic energy and ...

Our Lord goes there and releases them!

He has to go through sorta speaking the world of the dead where everyone else that have died ARE sleeping.

So as was shared: which is MORE important to God and Christ - judgment? Or mercy? Which would be merciful? To ignore those there who (1) had no chance to put faith in him (because the good news hadn't reached them before they died), and/or (2) are the sons of Abraham who did not put faith in him? To give them a chance to do so? If he did it for those of Noah's day... and NOAH preached about him, yes, because he was a "preacher of RIGHTEOUSNESS"... where is the justice, if NOT mercy... in not doing so for those after?

Our Lord wouldn't overlook giving them the opportunity to put faith in Him. He wouldn't pass them by in the world of the dead on his way down to where his enemies are in the abyss.
This would make him hypocritical, which he is NOT!
He showed me this today. The illustration of the " Good Samaritan" and asked me, " Can you picture me stepping over, crossing over to the other side, not showing pity and mercy to those wounded by death in Sheol? Would I bypass and not help give them the opportunity to be healed and saved?"

I knew NO way NO how is my Lord this way!

This is the reason for him to go, another more important reason... and manifestation of the Father's mercy: to show himself plainly... to Israel, those who are not part of the first resurrection or change with such ones to "white robes" at that time. Because all Israel will be saved; however, they are not saved... UNTIL they SAY:

"Blessed is he who comes in the name of JAH."

Most did not do that.. before they died. But they will... must... before they can be resurrected to LIFE. Since ALL Israel will be saved... ALL Israel will give this blessing at some point. Either when he returns at the saying of it by those living... or when he goes to them where they are "sleeping" (in death).

I was also shown by my Lord the account of Ninevah. Many of us may be thinking in our hearts..."Why save Israel, they don't deserve anything but what they get. They are truly wicked and deserve to be destroyed."

Remember ALL of Nineveh repented as does Israel!

The question is: Are we like Jonah and angry, mad and disappointed they they repent and didn't truly get what they deserve?
This will show what's really in our hearts. Shouldn't we WANT to be merciful and forgiving so that WE can be shown mercy and forgiven. Jah truly loves Israel and he will show he has never left them despite their leaving HIM! They WILL repent and be shown mercy when they say, " Blessed is he who comes in the name of JAH."


For me personally, this has been a true privilege to hear this from our Lord Jaheshua MischaJah and to learn yet again and even more just how forgiving, merciful, loving, full of compassion and pity they are for all of mankind.
Thank you for the opportunity to be able to share from our Lord. May all praise and glory go to him for sharing the understanding to us all and leading us into His truth.

May those that are thirsting and hungering continue to be given ears to hear the spirit which is CHRIST and the bride who is His body say,
"Come!" Takes lifeswater from our Lord Jaheshua MischaJah who IS the source of living water which is Holy Spirit for FREE!!!!

Love, your sister and fellow slave of our Lord and very merciful savior, Jaheshua MischaJah...Kim

First let me say thank you JM for sharing what our Lord told you that helped you to see and accept this from Him. Including that he passes by those (people) who are in the world of the dead, to open the 'pit' which is 'beneath' these ones.

Absolutely, Christ would not step over those ones on his way to the pit to release the spirits confined there... and these ones who are in the world of the dead would not remain completely asleep, as was shown to Shelby, and in that awesome 'magnet analogy'. His mercy and His love is too GREAT for that, and praise JAh that this is true. I know I need his mercy, and every example of how GREAT that mercy IS... is well, great for me and for my loved ones too!


I would not want to deny that mercy to anyone (I don't think anyone here would want to do that)... because would that not also be denying the love that would come from such mercy? As my Lord has often reminded me, and reminds me now... "He who has been forgiven MUCH, loves MUCH". Who would not rejoice in that? In the mercy... and in the love and life that comes FROM that mercy?


Praise Jah, and His Son... for their great love and mercy, and for allowing us to know the depths of these. I am feeling so full of love right now myself, for you all, and for them of course.

Love begets love... and life.



Peace to you all,
your sister and servant, and fellow slave of Christ,
tammy